'14 Draft Thread pt 2: vote again? VOTE AGAIN.

[SpursNBucks]

Voted Embiid- been back and forth between he and Parker. I think Parker is the most sure-fire thing. I can see him coming into the league and easily being ROY, and be an All-Star almost instantly. He will put up big #'s and he has a well rounded game (unlike Glenn Robinson).

Embiid has just too much upside though and can do too many things. The only negative here is it pushes Larry or Henson somewhat out of the picture.

Wiggins to me is very over-rated. In 4 of the last 5 games he has shot under 30%! I don't see many amazing plays on either end of the court- he doesn't show the GA'ish wow plays that often! On the other hand Embiid is starting to dominate when he is in there. The only problem he has is fouling because of his aggressiveness- that has cut his minutes down. Anyone voting Wiggins over Embiid is clearly not watching the games and looking at the production- just still caught up in the hype.

Just don't know enough about Exum???

To me it is becoming a 2 horse race between - Parker and Embiid. That is why it is important for the Bucks to have the most balls so they can hopefully at least stay in the top two.

[MiltownHawkeye]

My 2 cents, I just don't really understand all the Parker love, if he is a Melo type baller, he will bring us nothing but dissapointment.

The way you talk you'd think Carmelo Anthony was Josh Smith.

Not saying that, I know melo is better.... But do you think either will be in the conference finals even? I don't, and I think that them being on the team is a big part of that, bad shooting percentages, low assists totals... Not someone I want. And Parker is a small forward, where we also have Giannis... That's a problem cause neither is or should be a four.

Carmelo has gotten to the WCF before, and was byfar the best player on a 54-28 Knicks team last year. He's also improved his game quite a bit in the last couple years in terms of efficiency standards, so to me saying Carmelo is an inefficient chucker is akin to say LeBron is a bad 3-point shooter; both true at one point, not so much now.

Also, just because Parker has comparable skill to Carmelo doesn't mean he needs to have comparable shortcomings in terms of his approach to the game. Who knows how Carmelo's career would have turned out with a different team around him, different team, different coaching, etc. It's not like he's a limited player, he is arguably the most talented scorer in the league. You can mold that to be conducive to winning basketball when the player in question is 19.

Position fit is one of the least important factors in evaluating a draft prospect in general, but especially when talking about Giannis whose position is extremely fluid. He could feasibly play the 2, 3, or 4 and even has suitable length for the 5. Tons of people think Parker can play the 3 or the 4 a la Melo, and some even think that SHOULD be his position. If anything I'd be more worried about Giannis and Wiggins fitting, but again not an issue.

People think Big Dog is Jabari's floor, not his projection. That is a damn good floor. And if Parker was guaranteed to be Carmelo, no more no less, I would take him #1 in a second. That's because I think a squad of Knight/Mayo/Giannis/Melo/Ersan/Middleton/Henson/Sanders would compete for ECF's and 50+ wins once fully realized. And that would generate enough excitement to increase attendance and get a new stadium. To me, that is top priority. But obviously, Parker is not a guaranteed Carmelo so he's not #1 on my board.

[ChuckBros4Life]

My 2 cents, I just don't really understand all the Parker love, if he is a Melo type baller, he will bring us nothing but dissapointment.

The way you talk you'd think Carmelo Anthony was Josh Smith.

Not saying that, I know melo is better.... But do you think either will be in the conference finals even? I don't, and I think that them being on the team is a big part of that, bad shooting percentages, low assists totals... Not someone I want. And Parker is a small forward, where we also have Giannis... That's a problem cause neither is or should be a four.

Please, please just watch some college basketball so you can form your own opinions off of what you SEE and not just some comparisons thrown around on this board. Saturday would be a good day to start. Duke and Kansas both play at 1:00 and Kentucky at 2:30 (all central times). That's 4 top prospects right there for you.

[ackypoo]

Carmelo has gotten to the WCF before, and was byfar the best player on a 54-28 Knicks team last year. He's also improved his game quite a bit in the last couple years in terms of efficiency standards, so to me saying Carmelo is an inefficient chucker is akin to say LeBron is a bad 3-point shooter; both true at one point, not so much now.

Also, just because Parker has comparable skill to Carmelo doesn't mean he needs to have comparable shortcomings in terms of his approach to the game. Who knows how Carmelo's career would have turned out with a different team around him, different team, different coaching, etc. It's not like he's a limited player, he is arguably the most talented scorer in the league. You can mold that to be conducive to winning basketball when the player in question is 19.

Position fit is one of the least important factors in evaluating a draft prospect in general, but especially when talking about Giannis whose position is extremely fluid. He could feasibly play the 2, 3, or 4 and even has suitable length for the 5. Tons of people think Parker can play the 3 or the 4 a la Melo, and some even think that SHOULD be his position. If anything I'd be more worried about Giannis and Wiggins fitting, but again not an issue.

People think Big Dog is Jabari's floor, not his projection. That is a damn good floor. And if Parker was guaranteed to be Carmelo, no more no less, I would take him #1 in a second. That's because I think a squad of Knight/Mayo/Giannis/Melo/Ersan/Middleton/Henson/Sanders would compete for ECF's and 50+ wins once fully realized. And that would generate enough excitement to increase attendance and get a new stadium. To me, that is top priority. But obviously, Parker is not a guaranteed Carmelo so he's not #1 on my board.

im a melo fan. i just dismiss most of the jibba-jabba that goes on, on this board because ill just jump up and down like an angry monkey trying to explain myself. so thanks to you.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

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Not a surprise, but still good to hear.

[Ron Swanson]

Watched the Arizona-UCLA game last night and I'll admit that I came away thoroughly impressed with Aaron Gordon. He looked unselfish, aggressive on defense, and was constantly out-hustling the other players on the floor. I don't know if it's enough to move him up from #7 into the top 5, but I think that Gordon is going to be the all-star from this class that a lot of people kind of slept on.

I know what the prevailing opinion on him is: He's a tweener, doesn't have a consistent jumper, lacks perimeter ball-handling skills, etc., but I think a lot of those things are correctable once he's in the pros. I see Josh Smith without the bad attitude and horrid shot selection. Is he going to be a 20 ppg scorer type guy? Probably not, but I see a player who knows his role within the team and has freakish athleticism to boot. I see him averaging something along the lines of: 16 pts (on good efficiency), 8 rbs, 4 ast, 1 st, 2 blk, by his 2nd or 3rd year pro.

[paulpressey25]

He looked unselfish, aggressive on defense, and was constantly out-hustling the other players on the floor. I don't know if it's enough to move him up from #7 into the top 5, but I think that Gordon is going to be the all-star from this class that a lot of people kind of slept on.

I like Gordon quite a bit. His equivalent for me is Tom Chambers. He's the guy that makes me wish we had the foresight to have a second pick in the 6-12 range.

[LUKE23]

I was actually thinking about it yesterday, if we drafted Parker, he and Giannis would be basically interchangeable at 3/4. We could start Parker/Giannis/Sanders with Henson as the top backup at PF/C. You'd need shooters at 1/2 obviously, but that frontcourt would be an amazing quartet. The size, passing ability, and ball handling at 3/4 would be major advantages. Perimeter shooting at 1/2 would be of paramount importance.

[ReasonablySober]

I was actually thinking about it yesterday, if we drafted Parker, he and Giannis would be basically interchangeable at 3/4. We could start Parker/Giannis/Sanders with Henson as the top backup at PF/C. You'd need shooters at 1/2 obviously, but that frontcourt would be an amazing quartet. The size, passing ability, and ball handling at 3/4 would be major advantages. Perimeter shooting at 1/2 would be of paramount importance.

That's my thinking too. I liked a couple guys more than Parker, but the frontline would be set.

[SkilesTheLimit]

I was actually thinking about it yesterday, if we drafted Parker, he and Giannis would be basically interchangeable at 3/4. We could start Parker/Giannis/Sanders with Henson as the top backup at PF/C. You'd need shooters at 1/2 obviously, but that frontcourt would be an amazing quartet. The size, passing ability, and ball handling at 3/4 would be major advantages. Perimeter shooting at 1/2 would be of paramount importance.

A guy like Klay Thompson would be ideal at the 2 with that mix in the front court.

[Buckrageous]

I was actually thinking about it yesterday, if we drafted Parker, he and Giannis would be basically interchangeable at 3/4. We could start Parker/Giannis/Sanders with Henson as the top backup at PF/C. You'd need shooters at 1/2 obviously, but that frontcourt would be an amazing quartet. The size, passing ability, and ball handling at 3/4 would be major advantages. Perimeter shooting at 1/2 would be of paramount importance.

That's my thinking too. I liked a couple guys more than Parker, but the frontline would be set.

Im with both of you. Im intrigued by the thought of pairing GA with Parker and them being interchangeable at 3/4 and guys the O could be run through. If no moves are made the frontline next year:

GA/Middleton
Parker/Henson/Ersan
Sanders/Henson/Zaza/Miroslav

I think that could be the front court of a legit contender in a few years.

Trade (preferably) or let Zaza, Ersan, etc. play out there deals and keep the rest going forward. Knight is a keeper as a combo guard and keep Wolters as well. Then use the upcoming years 1sts and the extra seconds and fix the back court.

[Ayt]

The man. The myth.

[crkone]

I was actually thinking about it yesterday, if we drafted Parker, he and Giannis would be basically interchangeable at 3/4. We could start Parker/Giannis/Sanders with Henson as the top backup at PF/C. You'd need shooters at 1/2 obviously, but that frontcourt would be an amazing quartet. The size, passing ability, and ball handling at 3/4 would be major advantages. Perimeter shooting at 1/2 would be of paramount importance.

That's my thinking too. I liked a couple guys more than Parker, but the frontline would be set.

Im with both of you. Im intrigued by the thought of pairing GA with Parker and them being interchangeable at 3/4 and guys the O could be run through. If no moves are made the frontline next year:

GA/Middleton
Parker/Henson/Ersan
Sanders/Henson/Zaza/Miroslav

I think that could be the front court of a legit contender in a few years.

Trade (preferably) or let Zaza, Ersan, etc. play out there deals and keep the rest going forward. Knight is a keeper as a combo guard and keep Wolters as well. Then use the upcoming years 1sts and the extra seconds and fix the back court.

Don't even need to find a 2, just start Middleton and Knight. Have Parker/Giannis handle the point forward duty and initiate the offense and let Middleton and Knight park out behind the 3pt line. We would need to fill the bench with shooters. This is all predicated on the Bucks coaching staff being smart enough to figure this stuff out.

[PANDEMONEUM]

ive been saying this ^ since Jabari and a #1 pick both look like it will/should happen

knight, Middleton, Giannis, Jabari, sanders
M. G. J.
they can interchange and switch on picks and screens
all 3 can handle the ball
all 3 can start the fast break
or rebound and bring the ball up themselves

"I" would use Ersan and Henson in a trade to get a pass first PG or a scoring/3pt SG

hopefully Ridnour, Butler, Udoh are moved this season, even if its for more 2nd round picks
with the hope we can find a gem
same with Mayo, Neal, Delfino, Zaza

[driese0824]

ive been saying this ^ since Jabari and a #1 pick both look like it will/should happen

knight, Middleton, Giannis, Jabari, sanders
M. G. J.
they can interchange and switch on picks and screens
all 3 can handle the ball
all 3 can start the fast break
or rebound and bring the ball up themselves

"I" would use Ersan and Henson in a trade to get a pass first PG or a scoring/3pt SG

Whats wrong with having mayo as your 6th man u can never have enough shooters.

hopefully Ridnour, Butler, Udoh are moved this season, even if its for more 2nd round picks
with the hope we can find a gem
same with Mayo, Neal, Delfino, Zaza

[cinematographer]

hopefully Ridnour, Butler, Udoh are moved this season, even if its for more 2nd round picks
with the hope we can find a gem
same with Mayo, Neal, Delfino, Zaza

That last group needs to be moved FAR MORE URGENTLY AND PRESSINGLY than the first.

[breakchains]

Hello, a 2 that can shoot if we got Jabari? Middleton. Near perfect fit. Someone mentioned Klay Thompson. Middleton is a very similar player IMO. Middleton was averaging like an efficient 21/7 and then got benched.

Embiid should still be number 1 one our board tho.

[ReasonablySober]

I'd love to see the Bucks use Khris like GS uses Klay. Not this season, but next year when I'm hoping our coach has his head out of his ass.

[breakchains]

A heads up that you can watch Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, Smart and Randle today. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... e=20140111

[Nebula1]

Parker has low probability of being a good defender. While he's likely to be a very good player, he's not a #1 pick. I'd rather go with Wiggins at 2, work on his offense and remain an elite defensive unit. That's our best chance at a championship.