Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

theFireBlanket · Post #381 » by **theFireBlanket** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:11 am

Je K wrote:
Nowak008 wrote:Everyone who hammered me for saying last year was our year can please stfu

Have you taken a look at the state of the other contenders in the East next season?

Trade for a SG with the TPE and sign Hill. We're fine.

Je K · Post #382 » by **Je K** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:13 am

theFireBlanket wrote:
Je K wrote:
Nowak008 wrote:Everyone who hammered me for saying last year was our year can please stfu

Have you taken a look at the state of the other contenders in the East next season?

Trade for a SG with the TPE and sign Hill. We're fine.

Well that's terrifying

LUKE23 · Post #383 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:13 am

How often do TPE land players worth anything? Like to hear some examples.

BigO · Post #384 » by **BigO** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:15 am

raferfenix wrote:
kid idioteque wrote:Gery is becoming the voice of the team's malcontents. I'm not sure what to think about that.

It was only a few hours but Gery got a big one right today proving he's been talking to someone in the know.

Wrong. That may be your opinion, but don't state it as fact. The Bucks would never give away a player just because he is unhappy. He played very well all the years he was here. Now if you tell me he was unhappy playing under kidd, you might make some sense.

The Bucks made a judgment call based on salary vs. production. I don't agree with their decision, unless there is an immediate signing that explains it. The Bucks were an excellent team last year and yet didn't win their conference. Do you think they would agree to weaken their team, just to make Brogdon happy? This is fantasy. They either don't value Brogdon as much as I do (which is fair) or they have another move to improve the team. Losing Brogdon means the team is worse than this past season unless something big is happening.

Plossum · Post #385 » by **Plossum** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:15 am

I’m baffled people still think there’s a useful NBA player lurking in Wiggins.

We’ll be hearing in five years about how we should take a flyer on him to help him realise his potential.

“He’s still only 29” they’ll say.

Bucks in 7 · Post #386 » by **Bucks in 7** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:18 am

Pretty disappointed in the return. Frankly, I see the value of Mids over Brogdon, but for the money, I'd rather have kept Brog and sign and traded Mids.

dsilby · Post #387 » by **dsilby** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:21 am

Buck Dweller wrote:Don't blame Brogdon for wanting out of this franchise honestly

I agree.
It must be so hard playing for a team with a brand new arena, brand new practice facility, the leagues MVP, the coach of the year and being 2 games from the finals.
Damn franchise.

Bucksfan28 · Post #388 » by **Bucksfan28** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:23 am

LUKE23 wrote:How often do TPE land players worth anything? Like to hear some examples.

I feel like TPEs are rarely ever for this significant of an amount.

pack15412 · Post #389 » by **pack15412** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:24 am

TroyD92 wrote:
RandyBreuer wrote:If Butler truly wants to go to Houston what about getting in on a three-team deal to get Capela or Gordon?

Butler wants to go to the Heat.

Just wait till he's on the next season of Ballers! Total Marky Mark, Peter Berg, Rashad Mendenhall 4-D chess going on right now.

Brewhoopfan · Post #390 » by **Brewhoopfan** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:28 am

I have no idea what factors contributed to the trade so I'll withhold judgement on it being good or bad. I'm just sad Malcolm will no longer be in a Bucks uniform. Helluva player and person.

Ron Swanson · Post #391 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:30 am

Don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, this might be a really smart move to cash out on an oft-injured guard in order to retain Hill/Lopez and get a decent asset in return. On the other hand, I love Brogdon and he seems like one of those players you lose that you always end up regretting in the future. My heart says it's a big loss but my head says that this is the contract that would have bit us, not the Middleton contract.

Chuck Diesel · Post #392 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:35 am

Is there a single person who would’ve been upset if we brought Brogdon back at that number? I don’t believe there was.

NomNomNomParker · Post #393 » by **NomNomNomParker** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:38 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:Is there a single person who would’ve been upset if we brought Brogdon back at that number? I don’t believe there was.

I think it's too much...oft injured player at an age this was his likely one big contract...he didn't have much upside other than durability.

rrayy · Post #394 » by **rrayy** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:38 am

BigO wrote:
raferfenix wrote:
kid idioteque wrote:Gery is becoming the voice of the team's malcontents. I'm not sure what to think about that.

It was only a few hours but Gery got a big one right today proving he's been talking to someone in the know.

Wrong. That may be your opinion, but don't state it as fact. The Bucks would never give away a player just because he is unhappy. He played very well all the years he was here. Now if you tell me he was unhappy playing under kidd, you might make some sense.

The Bucks made a judgment call based on salary vs. production. I don't agree with their decision, unless there is an immediate signing that explains it. The Bucks were an excellent team last year and yet didn't win their conference. Do you think they would agree to weaken their team, just to make Brogdon happy? This is fantasy. They either don't value Brogdon as much as I do (which is fair) or they have another move to improve the team. Losing Brogdon means the team is worse than this past season unless something big is happening.

Would you risk signing a player who will end up sitting in the corner pouting and not caring baout his production? To properly answer that question YES the Bucks would trade Brogdon to make him happy. YOu do not risk paying a ton of money to a guy who will likely refuse to play. Only a foolish GM would retain a player that does not want to be around.

dsilby · Post #395 » by **dsilby** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:39 am

I like Brogdon, I really did. Good player, very smart. Good spot up shooter, nice defender. Not great, but nice. Had that great move to the hole.
Malcom is a nice piece and he will need to be replaced, but replacing what he gave is not some impossible task. They didn't lose 2006 Dyane Wade here.

Remember, Malcom did play the entire Raptor series with fresh legs and no rust and had minimal effect on the series. People are acting like this team is now done without Malcom.
Well they just had Malcom and the team still lost 4 in a row and Brogdon did not play well either.

So far with Hill, Khris and Lopez returning. Malcom is really the only lost piece. It's a good piece, but one that can absolutely be overcome.

Mojo Amok · Post #396 » by **Mojo Amok** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:40 am

I think you guys should have probably kept Brogdon over some of the guys you did pay, but the truth is that not many ownership groups would be willing to pay the tax on retaining all these guys. I just looked through the first couple pages, so maybe the tone of the thread calmed down a bit, but I don't really see the Bucks being cheap to the point that it's some big scandal here.

The CBA and the luxury tax penalties aren't really designed to keep a team as deep as last year's Bucks squad together for a long run. The reality is teams are going to lose players and the Buck's willingness to pay guys looks pretty decent at a minimum. There were just too many guys to pay.

rrayy · Post #397 » by **rrayy** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:40 am

dsilby wrote:
Buck Dweller wrote:Don't blame Brogdon for wanting out of this franchise honestly

I agree.
It must be so hard playing for a team with a brand new arena, brand new practice facility, the leagues MVP, the coach of the year and being 2 games from the finals.
Damn franchise.

It's not about the franchise. It is about the city.

Licensed to Il · Post #398 » by **Licensed to Il** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:40 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:Is there a single person who would’ve been upset if we brought Brogdon back at that number? I don’t believe there was.

I like Malcolm, I do wish he was still a Buck, I don’t like him at that price. Then again, every 2-3 years the cap and spending patterns adjust, so its probably not as much $ as it seems to me right now.

I think Brogs can fit on any team, and if Oladipo is back healthy, Malcolm is still in a supporting role. He will certainly contribute. Im not sure he ever averages more than 16 ppg, and as outdated as a stat as ppg is, it still is somewhat of an indicator of value and hierarchy. I mean, Indy just paid him 22 mill to be their fourth best player, right?

BroncoBuck · Post #399 » by **BroncoBuck** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:40 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:Is there a single person who would’ve been upset if we brought Brogdon back at that number? I don’t believe there was.

It was right on the edge for me personally. I don’t think brogdon or midds will live up to their contracts (90% of these free agents won’t in this bloated market) but I do believe Brogdon has the much lower floor of the two.It’s a massive risk and I’m just glad the Bucks were able to secure assets for him in return. Sad to see him go, but looking forward to what’s next.

Ron Swanson · Post #400 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:41 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:Is there a single person who would’ve been upset if we brought Brogdon back at that number? I don’t believe there was.

Haven't been on this board much the past month so I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm. $20+ mil for a guy with his durability issues is a lot of money.