Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

#ThroughTheWall is such a great slogan to throw at the the haters.

Meh, if critiquing his game makes someone a "hater," then so be it.

Also, #ThroughTheWall is a terrible slogan seeing as that's what he currently tries to do and it doesn't really work.

Definition of intensity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein (Probably)

[Ron Swanson]

Settling for Dennis Schroder would be the ultimate Bucks lateral move. Not really convinced that he's all of a sudden a good shooter and there's a reason why a team finally figured out it's better to bring him off the bench and in two-guard lineups (hint: he's not an effective lead guard).

[JayMKE]

Does anybody think Schroder gets us over the hump?

[Chuck Diesel]

Does anybody think Schroder gets us over the hump?

Not sure but I’d definitely rather go into the playoffs with him than Bledsoe.

[Fotis St]

Would you believe that this season Bledsoe shot the 3pt ball better than : Pat Connaughton , Donte Divincenzo and Brook Lopez and only 2% worse than Wes ?

The elimination has set alot of fog and we can't have a clear view on our team overall status.

We just remember Bled not making some crucial 3s and we tend to believe that Bled is our worse shooter .... guess again ...

Pat Connaughton.....67 games 18.6min 3P% 33.1 , 0.8 / 2.5 3PA
Donte DiVincenzo....66 games 23min 3P% 33.6 , 1.3 / 3.7 3PA
Brook Lopez...........67 games 26.7min 3P% 31.4 , 1.5 / 4.8 3PA

Eric Bledsoe...........61games 27min 3P% 34.4 , 1.2 / 3.5 3PA
Wes Mathews......... 67games 24.4min 3P% 36.4 , 1.6 / 4.4 3PA

This is not supporting cast for Giannis , consider one more thing , most of these attempts are WIDE OPEN 3P shots cause of Giannis gravity... thats the foundation of the WALL

[PG Graveyard]

i guess it depends what the trade looks like....Has to be an upgrade over playoff Bledsoe and he is a guy I have always liked. Maybe it gets us over the hump. Feels a little light when we are talking about guys like CP etc.

[BigO]

Bucks do need someone who can break down the defense. Bledsoe used to be able to do it, but he is not a prime time player. So Schroder is interesting only in that regard. But no, he doesn't move the needle much.

90% of the time, when teams hit roadblocks, I think it's player personnel. But with the Bucks, Kidd was/is one of the worst coaches I've seen and Bud is one of the worst playoff coaches I've seen. So getting over the hump isn't just personnel changes. Bud needs to change:

1) Offense- posting Giannis down low and encouraging him, rather than stopping him, to take short jumpers and half hooks

2) Offense-much more movement-watch Miami-huge difference

3) Defense-stop relying totally on sticking to your man-employ switching man defense, zone concepts depending on foe

4) Prepare your best players to play 40 minutes plus in playoffs

[MickeyDavis]

I love Schroder but if obtaining him is our only move it's not enough.

[SirChurros]

I love Schroder but if obtaining him is our only move it's not enough.

Agreed.

I think he's a better lead guard than Bledsoe, though. At least offensively.

I guess you can be skeptical of his 3P% this season, but he showed significant improvement on a pretty hefty number of attempts per game. That and he's a much better finisher than Bledsoe within 10 feet, and they're about the same at the rim.

[averageposter]

If Lavine is a realistic option I'd favor him, and that feels weird to say it. I think whomever runs the point has to be capable of getting scorching hot shooting threes. The wall that will forever be erected to limit Giannis also gums things up for break down the defense get in the lane and finish type guys. I think it made for tough sledding for Bledsoe with a similar attack heavy offense. After last year Lavine's contract seems fair. Paul's contract is insane, and while he definitely had more left than I thought this year, any year could be a dropoff year.

[Ron Swanson]

The only way I'd ever want Zach LaVine anywhere near this team is if a guy like CP3 is coming in as well to take the ball out of his hands. Even ignoring that he doesn't give a **** about defense, LaVine might have the worst shot selection of any player I've seen since Brandon Jennings. You're basically betting on him completely changing everything about his play-style, and I think that's easily a losing bet.

[German Athens]

Yeah, I’d hope we’d be shooting higher than schroder unless there are multiple more moves. Doesn’t he have kind of a set shot jumper like Bledsoe? That and statistically he doesn’t look that good in the pick and roll.

Side note: CP3 is absolutely insane in the pick and roll. 1.08 ppp while running 8.1 possessions per game. Kemba and Lillard are the only two players who are more efficient on the same or higher volume.

[Nowak008]

If Lavine is a realistic option I'd favor him, and that feels weird to say it. I think whomever runs the point has to be capable of getting scorching hot shooting threes. The wall that will forever be erected to limit Giannis also gums things up for break down the defense get in the lane and finish type guys. I think it made for tough sledding for Bledsoe with a similar attack heavy offense. After last year Lavine's contract seems fair. Paul's contract is insane, and while he definitely had more left than I thought this year, any year could be a dropoff year.

We have done too much winning over the last few years, I am also in favor of Lavine so we can bring back the tank.

[Fotis St]

The only way I'd ever want Zach LaVine anywhere near this team is if a guy like CP3 is coming in as well to take the ball out of his hands. Even ignoring that he doesn't give a **** about defense, LaVine might have the worst shot selection of any player I've seen since Brandon Jennings. You're basically betting on him completely changing everything about his play-style, and I think that's easily a losing bet.

In order to get em both Khris has to be included in the CP3 trade. Are you ok with that?

If we want to keep Khris...
I thinking getting LaVine and Rubio instead of CP3 while keeping Khris is a way to go.

The main piece to get LaVine is Bled + Ersan + 24 + DDV if they like him
The main piece to get Rubio is G. Hill + 2nds

[German Athens]

Also, do you think pick and rolls would work with Giannis as the ballhandler against the wall?

I know that might seem bizarre, as that would mean you’d be pushing more bodies to Giannis and muddying up lanes even more so, but would that also do the same for the defenders? Conventional wisdom would say pass to the players whose defender is sagging to help build the wall - they would have an open 3 - but that’s usually what the defense wants, and generally they seem to be able to recover. Wouldn’t a double screen on one end of the 3 man wall make it pretty hard to either get back to Giannis, or cause enough chaos as to where a rolling man might be able to break free?

I distinctively remember under kidd when Giannis first got moved to pg in the second half of the season - he actually displayed change of pace play. He ran the pick and roll, got his defender behind him and just slowed up waiting for the roller to get an opening. You know, actual pg chops.

[emunney]

Feels like all signs are pointing to Schroder right now.

What makes you say that?

The player descriptions of targets floating out of these articles sound like they're talking specifically about him. History with Bud. Age.

[SirChurros]

The only way I'd ever want Zach LaVine anywhere near this team is if a guy like CP3 is coming in as well to take the ball out of his hands. Even ignoring that he doesn't give a **** about defense, LaVine might have the worst shot selection of any player I've seen since Brandon Jennings. You're basically betting on him completely changing everything about his play-style, and I think that's easily a losing bet.

In order to get em both Khris has to be included in the CP3 trade. Are you ok with that?

If we want to keep Khris...
I thinking getting LaVine and Rubio instead of CP3 while keeping Khris is a way to go.

The main piece to get LaVine is Bled + Ersan + 24 + DDV if they like him
The main piece to get Rubio is G. Hill + 2nds

I'm not sure the Suns are going to give up Rubio for Hill and 2nds. He's still relatively young and coming off arguably his best season ever, for a team that's clearly up and coming.

[Fotis St]

If a team like the Suns wants DDV in a Rubio-G.Hill Trade ... Sure I would include him

[Chuck Diesel]

We know Giannis is private. Do we think he likes the owner going straight to the multiple media people with details about their meeting?

[StickeeFingaz]

We know Giannis is private. Do we think he likes the owner going straight to the multiple media people with details about their meeting?

Not sure but I feel like Saratsis thinks he's a master manipulator.