Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[German Athens]

If Atlanta would rather have a guard added to their roster, and is looking to spend since they are a .500 team and in position to make the playoffs, then I could see something like this working:

Mke: Nance, Sac 1st (top 12 protected)
Atl: Melton, Moody
Gsw: Bobby

Golden state gives up moody instead of a first which Atlanta could be interested in, and they get a floor spacing big who Kerr reportedly loves.

We get a cerebral big and a 1st which we could reroute somewhere else.


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[Ron Swanson]

If Atlanta would rather have a guard added to their roster, and is looking to spend since they are a .500 team and in position to make the playoffs, then I could see something like this working:

Mke: Nance, Sac 1st (top 12 protected)
Atl: Melton, Moody
Gsw: Bobby

Golden state gives up moody instead of a first which Atlanta could be interested in, and they get a floor spacing big who Kerr reportedly loves.

We get a cerebral big and a 1st which we could reroute somewhere else.


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This is absolutely the way if they can swing it. Well done.

[emunney]

Bobby is kind of a tweener at this point in his career. Doesn't have the end-to-end speed to keep up with modern forwards, but doesn't have the verticality to defend the rim.

I think his best use is as the big in a switching/trapping scheme against undersized lineups. I'd also like to see us try jumbo lineups where we zone up and mush teams, but we can't really afford to put 3 bigs on the court at the same time due to our lack of depth there.

Like most, I'm open to trading him, but if we don't come out of that trade or sequence of trades with a better fitting big man (or somebody we think can/will be a star), I don't see the appeal.

[ShootingtheJ]

If Atlanta would rather have a guard added to their roster, and is looking to spend since they are a .500 team and in position to make the playoffs, then I could see something like this working:

Mke: Nance, Sac 1st (top 12 protected)
Atl: Melton, Moody
Gsw: Bobby

Golden state gives up moody instead of a first which Atlanta could be interested in, and they get a floor spacing big who Kerr reportedly loves.

We get a cerebral big and a 1st which we could reroute somewhere else.


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This is absolutely the way if they can swing it. Well done.

I agree, but unfortunately Moody isn't trade eligible this year because of his extension. That sucks, because he's be a great fit for Atlanta, and GSW doesn't use him.

[BigO]

If Atlanta would rather have a guard added to their roster, and is looking to spend since they are a .500 team and in position to make the playoffs, then I could see something like this working:

Mke: Nance, Sac 1st (top 12 protected)
Atl: Melton, Moody
Gsw: Bobby

Golden state gives up moody instead of a first which Atlanta could be interested in, and they get a floor spacing big who Kerr reportedly loves.

We get a cerebral big and a 1st which we could reroute somewhere else.


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This is absolutely the way if they can swing it. Well done.

I would consider this deal, because I like the #1 pick (I have my eye on someone that would probably be mid to lower in the first round). As for Nance, he's not playing much for a middling team, so I don't expect much from him.

[ShootingtheJ]

We can't trade Middleton, the ceiling with him is the highest in the league. Bobby is the obvious trade and has been for years. He's just not a championship team type player but he would be a helluva tank commander/fan favorite or even a solid contributor on a fringe team.

The problem with Mids is he is not able to stay on the court anymore. That risk is no longer worth what we are paying him.

Mids would be playing if this were the playoffs. He's presently out with an injury he played through with last playoffs, and dominated.

We pay him for the playoffs, and if he played in the regular season, he'd be making $48 million instead of $31.

[BigO]

Bobby's a huge negative team rebounder, which used to be the opposite w/ Giannis at least -

D reb % w/ our big combos on the court:

*'24: Brook/Giannis - 75.7, Brook/Bobby - 72.3, Bobby/Giannis - 66.5 (by far worst in the NBA)
*'23: Brook/Giannis - 75.2, Brook/Bobby - 74.2, Bobby/Giannis - 71.4
*'22: Brook/Giannis - 78.4, Brook/Bobby - 76.4, Bobby/Giannis - 72.1
*'21: Giannis/Bobby - 79.4 (best in the NBA)
*'20: Brook/Giannis - 78.3, Brook/Bobby - 73.3, Bobby/Giannis - 75.7

In addition to his decline to a bad player, he complements our best player so poorly now, thus he needs to go.

Here we go again.

If the Bucks front office or coaching staff gave any credence to these cherry picked stats, BP wouldn't be playing on a regular basis and he would have no trade value.

So if the point is he should just sit on the bench, that's a fair assessment, if you put value on your stats.

The Bucks are way ahead of this board in terms of what numbers they use to evaluate players, particularly their own. The Bucks front office and the coaches like BP, based on his playing on a regular basis.

BP has no positive value to you, but he does to the team and to other teams, which is why I'm willing to trade him for a positive asset.

I would like another rim protector and switchable big (that's certainly not Brook).

We've seen Brook played off the court when the Bucks have to switch. It would be nice to have someone for that purpose and that's certainly not Brook or BP.

[msiris]

We can't trade Middleton, the ceiling with him is the highest in the league. Bobby is the obvious trade and has been for years. He's just not a championship team type player but he would be a helluva tank commander/fan favorite or even a solid contributor on a fringe team.

The problem with Mids is he is not able to stay on the court anymore. That risk is no longer worth what we are paying him.

Mids would be playing if this were the playoffs. He's presently out with an injury he played through with last playoffs, and dominated.

We pay him for the playoffs, and if he played in the regular season, he'd be making $48 million instead of $31.

Thats what we pay Giannis and Mids has never been as good as him.

[WeMajor34]

I don’t think Bobby will be traded. I think that Horst is prepping for a Pat-centered trade that uses one or both of our ‘31 draft capital pieces for a dynamic guard/defensive wing/switchable big. MarJon will probably just go to a team with cap space and/or we get a player that we take a flier on.

I tend to agree with BigO on the “front office and team like Bobby” take. I would gladly trade Bobby for a better big for how we play (Nance Jr), but I just don’t see it happening. I hope I’m wrong.

I’ll always like Bobby though and if he’s still on the team, hopefully he contributes more consistently.

[BigO]

I think it's time to give credit to Horst for the off season moves he's made.

There's more shooters on this team, who also have other skills. Beasley was a one trick pony (standstill jumper).

Prince, Trent and even Wright are good veteran additions, with different skillsets.

Add in the improvement in AJJ and Green and the growth of Livingston and I think he's done a great job with the cap in place, at least this season.

[ShootingtheJ]

The problem with Mids is he is not able to stay on the court anymore. That risk is no longer worth what we are paying him.

Mids would be playing if this were the playoffs. He's presently out with an injury he played through with last playoffs, and dominated.

We pay him for the playoffs, and if he played in the regular season, he'd be making $48 million instead of $31.

Thats what we pay Giannis and Mids has never been as good as him.

Yup, that's what makes us a contender, that Giannis is worth more than the max. Giannis and Dame make the same, but Dame isn't anything near Giannis.

[msiris]

Mids would be playing if this were the playoffs. He's presently out with an injury he played through with last playoffs, and dominated.

We pay him for the playoffs, and if he played in the regular season, he'd be making $48 million instead of $31.

Thats what we pay Giannis and Mids has never been as good as him.

Yup, that's what makes us a contender, that Giannis is worth more than the max. Giannis and Dame make the same, but Dame isn't anything near Giannis.

But Mids is not near Dame either.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

making a choice to trust khris middleton and the bucks with how hes load managed is a choice ive made.

my bills just brought back micah hyde fresh as a mountain spring with 5 games left for depth in the playoffs. i love it. team kep his locker spot empty and jersey available all year..... if khris played only from the trade deadline on it would be fine with me year after year. give the young guys more burn like we are and let him chill and work himself up for a 40-50 game season. thats still alot of games.

[Bernman]

But Mids is not near Dame either.

That's not true. He won a championship being the best player in 1-2 series'. Averaged an efficient 25/9/5 thru a series w/ an ankle injury last yr. Similar stats in recent playoffs to Tatum, Butler, etc. When he's healthier he's still better on d than Dame.

Their salaries this yr are all fair to good by NBA terms. Dames' contract is unequivocally the worst of the 3 cuz there's little disparity between him & Khris in the playoffs, & Dames' rapidly escalates into likely over the hill years. Next yr he makes 58, then 63 at 36. Khris makes 34 at 34. May well decline his option next yr & restructure.

[msiris]

But Mids is not near Dame either.

That's not true. He won a championship being the best player in 1-2 series'. Averaged an efficient 25/9/5 thru a series w/ an ankle injury last yr. Similar stats in recent playoffs to Tatum, Butler, etc. When he's healthier he's still better on d than Dame.

Their salaries this yr are all fair to good by NBA terms. Dames' contract is unequivocally the worst of the 3 cuz there's little disparity between him & Khris in the playoffs, & Dames' rapidly escalates into likely over the hill years. Next yr he makes 58, then 63 at 36. Khris makes 34 at 34. May well decline his option next yr & restructure.

Mids will never be 100% healthy. Too much has happened to his body to withstand even a moderate level of playing time.

[Bernman]

Mids will never be 100% healthy. Too much has happened to his body to withstand even a moderate level of playing time.

You can't in good faith make this as a definitive statement. You aren't he nor his doctor. Even they likely don't know in the negative.

[raferfenix]

I agree, but unfortunately Moody isn't trade eligible this year because of his extension. That sucks, because he's be a great fit for Atlanta, and GSW doesn't use him.

Seems unlikely but Michael Scotto has been hearing Moody could get dealt actually:

Following Jalen Johnson’s five-year, $150 million contract extension with the Atlanta Hawks, there was a thought that maybe Kuminga’s asking price would come down since he was closely eying that situation because both play the same position and are about the same age. Instead, nothing came close on a similar five-year, $150 offer for Kuminga because it seemed like the least he would’ve considered was a five-year, $175 million deal, HoopsHype has learned. Since the season began, Kuminga has mostly come off the bench and has struggled shooting the ball from the field at career-low percentages across the board.

Conversely, the Warriors and guard Moses Moody agreed on a three-year, $39 million extension. Since then, Moody has shot 39 percent from three-point range but has remained a rotation player for roughly 17 minutes. With Moody’s role remaining the same over the past few seasons and not increasing, executives across the league believe Moody is a name to monitor on the trade market with a moveable salary.

“Moody could be part of a package in a bigger deal, and Steve Kerr still doesn’t play him 20 minutes a game,” an NBA executive told HoopsHype.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/top-nba-trade-candidates-for-the-2024-25-season/

[ShootingtheJ]

I agree, but unfortunately Moody isn't trade eligible this year because of his extension. That sucks, because he's be a great fit for Atlanta, and GSW doesn't use him.

Seems unlikely but Michael Scotto has been hearing Moody could get dealt actually:

Following Jalen Johnson’s five-year, $150 million contract extension with the Atlanta Hawks, there was a thought that maybe Kuminga’s asking price would come down since he was closely eying that situation because both play the same position and are about the same age. Instead, nothing came close on a similar five-year, $150 offer for Kuminga because it seemed like the least he would’ve considered was a five-year, $175 million deal, HoopsHype has learned. Since the season began, Kuminga has mostly come off the bench and has struggled shooting the ball from the field at career-low percentages across the board.

Conversely, the Warriors and guard Moses Moody agreed on a three-year, $39 million extension. Since then, Moody has shot 39 percent from three-point range but has remained a rotation player for roughly 17 minutes. With Moody’s role remaining the same over the past few seasons and not increasing, executives across the league believe Moody is a name to monitor on the trade market with a moveable salary.

“Moody could be part of a package in a bigger deal, and Steve Kerr still doesn’t play him 20 minutes a game,” an NBA executive told HoopsHype.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/top-nba-trade-candidates-for-the-2024-25-season/

Moody signed an extension after September 28, which makes players ineligible for a trade this season. If he actually signed before that, then he'd be tradeable.

[German Athens]

I agree, but unfortunately Moody isn't trade eligible this year because of his extension. That sucks, because he's be a great fit for Atlanta, and GSW doesn't use him.

Seems unlikely but Michael Scotto has been hearing Moody could get dealt actually:

Following Jalen Johnson’s five-year, $150 million contract extension with the Atlanta Hawks, there was a thought that maybe Kuminga’s asking price would come down since he was closely eying that situation because both play the same position and are about the same age. Instead, nothing came close on a similar five-year, $150 offer for Kuminga because it seemed like the least he would’ve considered was a five-year, $175 million deal, HoopsHype has learned. Since the season began, Kuminga has mostly come off the bench and has struggled shooting the ball from the field at career-low percentages across the board.

Conversely, the Warriors and guard Moses Moody agreed on a three-year, $39 million extension. Since then, Moody has shot 39 percent from three-point range but has remained a rotation player for roughly 17 minutes. With Moody’s role remaining the same over the past few seasons and not increasing, executives across the league believe Moody is a name to monitor on the trade market with a moveable salary.

“Moody could be part of a package in a bigger deal, and Steve Kerr still doesn’t play him 20 minutes a game,” an NBA executive told HoopsHype.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/top-nba-trade-candidates-for-the-2024-25-season/

Moody signed an extension after September 28, which makes players ineligible for a trade this season. If he actually signed before that, then he'd be tradeable.

Rookie-scale extensions don’t have a time based restriction. His is a poison pill instead.


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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

But Mids is not near Dame either.

That's not true. He won a championship being the best player in 1-2 series'. Averaged an efficient 25/9/5 thru a series w/ an ankle injury last yr. Similar stats in recent playoffs to Tatum, Butler, etc. When he's healthier he's still better on d than Dame.

Their salaries this yr are all fair to good by NBA terms. Dames' contract is unequivocally the worst of the 3 cuz there's little disparity between him & Khris in the playoffs, & Dames' rapidly escalates into likely over the hill years. Next yr he makes 58, then 63 at 36. Khris makes 34 at 34. May well decline his option next yr & restructure.

good post but you forgot the most important part. khris is maybe the best fit next to giannis as any guy on planet earth.

if both those guys are dialed in its a 1 + 1 = 3 thing. we talked alot about bud being gone and how his systems gave the kind of gravity that made everybody else better. thats been gone to some degree the last several years and bud should get some credit but i think its also the fact that giannis/midds have been in and out so much that the role players have suffered. we have a different look every night and the guys dominating the ball still havent figured it all out. midds creates flow and slows things down and makes things easy for others even if hes making it look hard for himself.

dame is a stud but hes a 1a. as is giannis. to me they both seem to have absolutely no idea how to be a 1b let alone a 2 or 3 in a team concept