Sessions Update:Ramon signs T-Wolves OS (page 310 update)

europa · Post #381 » by **europa** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:24 pm

If Hammond and Skiles really wanted Sessions gone, they would've pushed Kohl HARD to get that Conley deal done. I don't buy for a second they don't want him. I think they do want him but they want him at their price.

carmelbrownqueen · Post #382 » by **carmelbrownqueen** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:26 pm

Bernman wrote:I don't purport to know what's the actual factual, because there are conflicting reports from various media sources, and one of them is the New York Post, so I guess you believe what you want.

If the reports that are alluding to a weak market for his services, are valid, Ramon ought to fire his agent. Wells is seeking the full MLE over 5 years because that would gain him maximum financial security. If Ramon received the full MLE over 3 seasons, he'd have far more security than a human being should require, and then he could fill up the world's biggest piggy bank subsequent to that time period, so long as he's the bona fide paterfamilias. Problem is that wouldn't necessarily gain Wells enough security, considering he has only one client. He's the one who has the bigger motivation for a longer deal, and from observing Ramon in interviews, the kid is very impressionable and still immature, so he's not driving the car in this situation.

Seeking a 2-3 year deal would vastly expand the possibilities for Ramon. Teams who drafted who they hoped to be their point guard of the future, like Philadelphia, would not only be precluded from being excluded, but then they might be major players. They can't seriously be planning on handing the keys over to Holiday immediately, when he's 18, sucked in summer league, is a bit of a project because he's new to the position, and the Sixers have a team outside of the pg position who is capable of doing damage in the playoffs. They might be all over Ramon if he was requiring a long term deal.

And it has also been reported (before the draft and briefly mentioned after the draft), that Holiday needs shoulder surgery.. they are hoping that they can just rehab it a bit over the summer but it sounded as if it could be a little debilitating for him. So turning over the keys to him when he might not be able to play (if he does more damage to it as he tries to play through it) probably would do more harm than good...

europa · Post #383 » by **europa** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:27 pm

I don't think the Sixers want Holiday to start immediately and he likely isn't ready to anyway. I think they would prefer a veteran PG to handle the role in the short term. That's why it wasn't surprising to see Blake's name constantly mentioned whenever there were reports of a S&T with the Blazers involving Miller.

Scoops · Post #384 » by **Scoops** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:29 pm

europa wrote:If Hammond and Skiles really wanted Sessions gone, they would've pushed Kohl HARD to get that Conley deal done. I don't buy for a second they don't want him. I think they do want him but they want him at their price.

That was before we had Jennings though. From all the articles and whatnot it sounds like Skiles and the rest of the FO are in love with BJ. Maybe (hopefully) they want him to start ("feed him to the wolves") and if Sessions isn't brought back it makes that process a whole lot easier.

bucks3bj · Post #385 » by **bucks3bj** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:30 pm

am new to the board but long time reader of the bucks board in am wondering why has brandon jennings still not sign with the bucks yet is he waiting to see what happens with the ramon contract

europa · Post #386 » by **europa** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:30 pm

Scoops wrote:
europa wrote:If Hammond and Skiles really wanted Sessions gone, they would've pushed Kohl HARD to get that Conley deal done. I don't buy for a second they don't want him. I think they do want him but they want him at their price.

That was before we had Jennings though. From all the articles and whatnot it sounds like Skiles and the rest of the FO are in love with BJ. Maybe (hopefully) they want him to start ("feed him to the wolves") and if Sessions isn't brought back it makes that process a whole lot easier.

I don't deny the team likes Jennings a lot. I simply disagree with the idea they don't like Sessions and want to be rid of him. I think they want to keep him but they want to make sure it's at their price. The good news is all of the signs we have right now point strongly toward that happening.

Bernman · Post #387 » by **Bernman** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:32 pm

Sessions is not that young, when you compare him to Holiday. He's a full 4 year college career worth's older, plus 2 more months on top of that.

The Sixers shouldn't desire a veteran point guard who can't keep up in the up and down style their athletes thrived in after Brand was on the mend last season. I think Kirk Hinrich is a name that's been bandied about in a trade - and that would be a dumb idea for them. Ramon Sessions is a good fit for their team, IMO. It's just a matter of if they're smart enough to figure it out, and if Wells isn't so insistent on a long term deal.

Right at the beginning of free agency, supposedly 12 teams put a call into Ramon's agent. I bet Wells insisted on receiving a long term deal, and about 8 of them hung up the phone immediately because they drafted point guards this year. He could still get the full MLE, just not over as long as he desires. 3/9 million dollars is indeed pretty ridiculous....and I'm hardly one of his supporters.

europa · Post #388 » by **europa** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:32 pm

Something else to consider is the Bucks just signed Ilyasova for $2.3M a year. Given how Ilyasova was worthless when he last played for the Bucks and nowhere even remotely close to being as productive as Sessions has already been, I'd say offering Sessions only slightly more than what Ilyasova got would be a huge slap in the face.

Offer him 3/$12M and hope Wells is smart enough to realize the market's drying up on him and this is a fair deal for his client.

ETA - I agree Sessions would be a good fit for the Sixers. I simply do not believe they're interested in him for the reasons I've been mentioning.

carmelbrownqueen · Post #389 » by **carmelbrownqueen** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:32 pm

bucks3bj wrote:am new to the board but long time reader of the bucks board in am wondering why has brandon jennings still not sign with the bucks yet is he waiting to see what happens with the ramon contract

Welcome.

Same complications that prevented Ersan Ilyasova's contract (even though they had agreement well over a week ago) from being finalized until some time today exist with Jennings contact. They should have him signed by the end of the weekend or early next week.. just waiting for that letter from his team overseas reportedly.

Scoops · Post #390 » by **Scoops** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:33 pm

europa wrote:The good news is all of the signs we have right now point strongly toward that happening.

Or bad news depending on where you stand.

xTitan · Post #391 » by **xTitan** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:35 pm

europa wrote:If Hammond and Skiles really wanted Sessions gone, they would've pushed Kohl HARD to get that Conley deal done. I don't buy for a second they don't want him. I think they do want him but they want him at their price.

Now you are making the assumption that they would have wanted Conley and i am not sure that is the case.........they really have never shown Ramon much love. Assuming they believe Jennings can be special, it would be counterproductive to have another quality young PG around who just might split the team and dwindling fanbase. I have decided to give Jennings a chance, although he is not a good shooter and there has to be serious questions if he is physical enough to survive a whole season.

europa · Post #392 » by **europa** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:36 pm

xTitan wrote:
europa wrote:If Hammond and Skiles really wanted Sessions gone, they would've pushed Kohl HARD to get that Conley deal done. I don't buy for a second they don't want him. I think they do want him but they want him at their price.

Now you are making the assumption that they would have wanted Conley and i am not sure that is the case.

I think they really wanted Conley. I'm guessing both Skiles and Hammond like him quite a bit. Easy to see why when you see how improved he was in the second half of last season.

Enrique · Post #393 » by **Enrique** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:51 pm

take it for what it's worth

http://www.waow.com/Global/story.asp?S=10780832

skones · Post #394 » by **skones** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:03 am

Enrique wrote:take it for what it's worth

http://www.waow.com/Global/story.asp?S=10780832

If that's the case, I will be furious if we match.

RamonSessions · Post #395 » by **RamonSessions** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:04 am

Enrique wrote:take it for what it's worth

http://www.waow.com/Global/story.asp?S=10780832

Looks like a lousy publication to me...

europa · Post #396 » by **europa** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:05 am

Sounds an awful lot like the report we got on Monday that never happened.

RamonSessions · Post #397 » by **RamonSessions** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:07 am

europa wrote:Sounds an awful lot like the report we got on Monday that never happened.

Precisely, maybe they're just late to putting this out, likely copying something else they've seen & heard.

MetroDrugUnit · Post #398 » by **MetroDrugUnit** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:19 am

RamonSessions wrote:
europa wrote:Sounds an awful lot like the report we got on Monday that never happened.

Precisely, maybe they're just late to putting this out, likely copying something else they've seen & heard.

The NY Media can't be as bad as the JS. Reporting on twi day old garbage is what they do best.

Lets hope that is what this is!

RamonSessions · Post #399 » by **RamonSessions** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:24 am

MetroDrugUnit wrote:The NY Media can't be as bad as the JS. Reporting on twi day old garbage is what they do best.

Lets hope that is what this is!

Wausau News is not NY media, this is from our state.

BDUB_30 · Post #400 » by **BDUB_30** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:29 am

europa wrote:The fact the Clips and Knicks both tried to work a S&T with the Bucks strongly indicates they think Milwaukee will match an offer that isn't extreme. The fact neither team was able to complete a S&T for Sessions indicates Hammond isn't just going to give him away. That strongly suggests he does value Sessions, even if he may believe Jennings is the PG of the future.

What a huge stretch of logic this is ... It simply could mean he doesnt like the players being offered , which is probablly the case.

If a team offers telfair for ramon and hammond says no thanks , that doesnt mean he values Ramon it just means he doesnt have an interest in Telfair . Hes going to get something he wants or he doesnt make the deal , how he feels about Ramon is secondary . He could hate Ramons game but just not be willing to take on a player he doesnt like .