Official Draft "For the Record" 2010 Draft Thread

[WeekapaugGroove]

Most years I would have a ton of guys to hate but this year I like the middle of the draft. I could talk myself into who ever they end up taking.

I like Henry and Sanders more than most posters. I would be super stoked if George dropped. If Whiteside isn't too much of an idiot and can be coached I would be down with that pick. I would be a little disappointed with Aldrich, Orton, or Bleadsoe, or Anderson. Everyone else that could fall I feel indifferent about and would be cool with.

[RiotPunch]

I want Paul George. I'd like to see someone like Ed Davis or Ekpe Udoh fall, but I don't think it's going to happen. If they did, I prefer Davis to Udoh but like both.

+1 -- I would also put Patterson in that group. It could very well happen that ALL of those guys are gone, in which case I would hope Avery Bradley or Luke Babbitt is there.

1. Ed Davis
2. Paul George
3. Patrick Patterson
4. Ekpe Udoh
5. Avery Bradley
6. Luke Babbitt

[RiotPunch]

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2- Udoh: Think he'll bust out... Age & other peripherial factors don't favor him.

Disagree strongly on Udoh. Big guys that can play defense, run the floor, and shoot the rock like Udoh don't "bust out". He probably won't make an allstar game, but he will help a team for a lot of years.

[midranger]

Every year, the majority of players drafted amount to very little in the NBA. The only guy among that tier that I'm completely convinced would be at least a solid (if unspectacular) starter on our team is Patrick Patterson. At #15 that's all you can really ask for.

EDIT: Check out Patterson's measurements and stats as a sophomore and compare them to those of Carl Landry and Carlos Boozer (as Juniors). I think he compares very favorably to both guys, and will likely end up somewhere in that tier of player in the NBA. That would be huge on our team.

[bogut6]

Whoever we draft will finish top 5 in ROY final standings. Count on it.

[jakecronus8]

Ok, we are less than a week away and I am just about locked in as to who I want the pick to be, or the kiss of death, as I never ever ever get what I want. 2003 was the only exception in recent years as I was a huge Tj ford jocker. In 2005 I wanted paul, 2007 I wanted Thad young, 08 I wanted anyone but BOA, and last year I wanted Jrue Holiday (yikes).

So, who is destined to not be a buck this year?

Hassan whiteside. We need athleticism in the worst way, and not the fake Potsie bang your head kind. The kind that can translate onto a basketball court. Another threat to control the middle and weak side shot blocking would be fantastic too. Blocking 5 shots a game is hard to ignore. I like his form on his jumper and if he can become consistent from 18 feet or so watch out. I know he played against inferior competition but a lot of guys (that dude that wears #6 on the Bucks) played at small schools and have had success in the NBA.

I also believe it is worth taking a home run risk here. He's the 15th pick after all. Worst case scenario is Javale Mcgee IMO, and that would be acceptable for a guy drafted there. If people are ok with Sanders at 15, they should be elated to grab whiteside.

I have been on the Paul George bandwagon, but the more I see of him, theore I think he is going to have problems getting his shot off in the NBA. His form needs some refining. I view him as a shade under Derozan as a prospect.

The guy I truly believe will be the pick is Hayward. I will be stunned/joyous if he is not the pick.

[emunney]

Every year, the majority of players drafted amount to very little in the NBA. The only guy among that tier that I'm completely convinced would be at least a solid (if unspectacular) starter on our team is Patrick Patterson. At #15 that's all you can really ask for.

EDIT: Check out Patterson's measurements and stats as a sophomore and compare them to those of Carl Landry and Carlos Boozer (as Juniors). I think he compares very favorably to both guys, and will likely end up somewhere in that tier of player in the NBA. That would be huge on our team.

Landry I can see, but Boozer destroys him in this comparison. Longer, bigger, and tons more productive. Boozer put up 18.2 and 8.7 on 66.5% shooting in 28.5 minutes. And got to the line a ton, AND shot 75% from there. I still don't really understand why he didn't go lotto.

[jakecronus8]

Gadz over Boozer will forever haunt me. I remember watching the 02 draft with Andrew34 screaming for Booze when we were on the board.

[emunney]

I watched it with my dad, and we were both screaming for Boozer for the Haislip pick. But it wasn't to be, because that would have been bad value in the lotto.

[cam2win]

Guys I want -

1. Xavier Henry - To me he seems to have alot of Ray Allen is his game. I think that kind of consistant sharp shooter would really balance out the offense for BJ and Drew. I remember reading something last year about top HS kids and there success in the NBA. I know Henry was close to Wall in alot of people's opinions so I think he's a can't miss.

2. Luke Babbitt - I'll be honest, I didn't have interest in him until the past couple weeks. Seems everything I've read points to him being a nice offensive weapon and I think he'll give us a legit 3.

3. Gordon Hayward - The kid is just a winner and that kind of winning attitude can only help this team as we take the next step. I like his size and think he'll do just fine defensively, especially in a Skiles coached system.

4. Paul George - Everything I read seems great but I do have concerns about him disappearing for a crummy Fresno team.

Others - Udoh, Patterson. I want a wing with that first pick but wouldn't mind these 2 bigs.

Other guys I hope we trade up for or somehow fall to 37, Dominique Jones, Jordan Crawford. I would LOVE to have one of these 2 guys (preferably Jones as I think he can play the 1). I think the offensive punch they could bring off the bench would really help a team that sometimes went in offensive droughts. Marcus Thorton really did a good job for the Hornets last year and I think these 2 guys are similar.

Please stay away from

1. Hassan Whiteside - After reading about him and listening to him being interviewed I'm convinced he's just a really tall 12 year old.

2. Cole Aldrich - To me his ceiling if he's lucky is Joel Pryzbilla...and while I like Pryz, I really want this team to take the next step not hope our 15th pick becomes a usable backup center.

[midranger]

Landry I can see, but Boozer destroys him in this comparison. Longer, bigger, and tons more productive. Boozer put up 18.2 and 8.7 on 66.5% shooting in 28.5 minutes. And got to the line a ton, AND shot 75% from there. I still don't really understand why he didn't go lotto.

Simply untrue em.

Boozer measured at 6'7.75 without shoes, with a 7'2.25 wingspan, while weighing in at 258 (while being poorly conditioned, hence the 28 minutes AND 2nd round selection).

Patterson came in at 6'8 without shoes, with a 7'1.25 wingspan, while weighing 240 (with a better bench press mind you).

Just because Boozer came in wearing clown shoes that boosted his height by 1.75 inches, doesn't make him longer.

As for "tons more productive." When Patterson was relied on to play a large role as a sophomore he produced 17.9 and 9.3 on 60.3% shooting AND 76.8% from the line in 33.7 minutes. I know 18 and 9 is a ton less productive than 18 and 9, but give the guy a break.

I guess I'm missing your whole argument here.

[midranger]

BTW, I was meaning to post originally that I do think he'll be a slightly worse pro than Boozer, but a slightly better pro than Landry. Which puts him pretty much as David West.

[andonewheel]

1. Henry
2. George
3. Patterson
4. Udoh

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

I am staying with:

Paul George: Perfect swingman. But like I said before, it is a big job for him going from a very weak conference to the NBA. It is not a game anymore it is a job. We will have to see how he can work and be pushed and driven to be as good as he can be.
But he would be an ideal complement to Mbah a Moute and Jennings on the wings. If he does not come here, I would like to see this kid end up back home in L.A. with the Clippers.
Then have the Clippers hire Bucks assistant Kelvin Sampson and that team will take off. Griffin and George and Gordon...in Tinseltown? Oh my!
Patrick Patterson: I sense for a fact, that he did not come here in principal because we dealt Jodie Meeks his boy from Kentucky which to me was stupid. Strange? No not really. Why would you want to go workout for a team, or do a favor for a team that traded your college teamate? I don't blame him.
But that is just my hunch, but he worked out for teams all around us so why didn't he come here? Lazy? Tired? Hardly. It had to be for a reason. And at 23, he is not immature. That had to be the reason. Or one of them. I bet if you asked him that he might even look you in the eye and tell you that.
Just seems like a loyal and principal young man and that is why he did not come. I would have done the same thing. And he would not be happy if we picked him here or if he fell to #15, but would fit like a glove next to Bogut, and play well with Jennings.
Hassan Whiteside: You can't coach or teach some things. Red flags? Sure there are some just like they are for almost every underclassman and player in this first round. So what?
At #15 I still say he is the best long range bargain and high reward guy to take at that spot. He fills everything we need. Length, athleticism, and big time potential that may or may not be realized if he does not have the inner drive and determination that some claim they know he lacks...but how do you know!?
I say he is worth taking the shot at like Anthony Randolph was for the Warriors two years ago who we should have took over Joe Alexander. No he is not a safe pick, but a pick you can splurge with if we have or keep the two second rounders.
If you are a coach and you can't work with Hassan Whiteside and his tools, then you are no good in the first place. He does two things you need for a man his size the minute he gets out of bed...He boards, he blocks, alters, and contest shots...and can play two positions of need.
I'll wait on everything else.
Xavier Henry: I like his character and the way he carries himself at 20. He will be a solid Pro. Some players you can jsut tell. You can't quite put your finger on it but you just know. Just like a Paul Pierece...you just know. And sure enough, in two years half the league will regret they passed on him.
They waste all the time saying what they think he can't do and has not done and forget what he does well. Like I said with Hassan, he has a skill. He can shoot. Ok, fine. Start there. But all this noise about no explosion or athleticsim is bull!
He has basketball speed, and quickness and plays under control and with poise and can use his body well. I am not sure you bring back Salmons if you take him. I say he starts from day 1 at SG and we call it a day.
With two more picks we can address the other needs later. I like Henry as much for the intangibles I think he can bring almost as much as Jonny Flynn last year. I would not mind to see him slide to us at all.
However, I would have had Henry #1 on my list if not for the fact we never should have been in the market for a SG anyways in this draft if we had sense enough to keep Jodie Meeks who was a first round steal taken in the second round last year!
I am one who thought the playoffs were a waste of time. The playoff hunt was all the young players really needed if we were sticking to our 2012 plan. Now anything short this year is a failure and we are right back where we started.

I also like: Ukpe Udoh, Luke Babbitt, Larry Sanders, Gordan Hayward in that order...

[Wise1]

I plan on going on record after the Whiteside workout / interview. I agree with cam2win that Whiteside appears to be younger than what he actually is. Maybe he's a slow developer from a physical standpoint. I swear he looks and talks like a 17 year old. He's definitely not ready, but I'd gamble on him over guys with similar ability at this point (Udoh, Sanders).

[benultimate]

Davis
Henry
George


Aldrich
Babbitt
Udoh
Whiteside


Patterson
Bledsoe
Bradley
Seraphin
Hayward


Sanders

[emunney]

Landry I can see, but Boozer destroys him in this comparison. Longer, bigger, and tons more productive. Boozer put up 18.2 and 8.7 on 66.5% shooting in 28.5 minutes. And got to the line a ton, AND shot 75% from there. I still don't really understand why he didn't go lotto.

Simply untrue em.

Boozer measured at 6'7.75 without shoes, with a 7'2.25 wingspan, while weighing in at 258 (while being poorly conditioned, hence the 28 minutes AND 2nd round selection).

Patterson came in at 6'8 without shoes, with a 7'1.25 wingspan, while weighing 240 (with a better bench press mind you).

Just because Boozer came in wearing clown shoes that boosted his height by 1.75 inches, doesn't make him longer.

As for "tons more productive." When Patterson was relied on to play a large role as a sophomore he produced 17.9 and 9.3 on 60.3% shooting AND 76.8% from the line in 33.7 minutes. I know 18 and 9 is a ton less productive than 18 and 9, but give the guy a break.

I guess I'm missing your whole argument here.

I think you are. Boozer isn't longer because he wears bigger shoes, he's longer because he can touch an inch and a half higher without jumping, and as you noted, has a longer wingspan. He's bigger because he outweighs him. And he's more productive because he put up similar numbers on better efficiency in substantially fewer minutes. See for yourself. 15 ws/40 is very good. 16.9 ws/40 is phenomenal. And that Duke team was 31-4 and started 5 NBA players, including 2 top 3 picks.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Car ... 734/stats/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Pat ... 225/stats/

Bench press is not a meaningful measure of basketball strength. Did you see that Boozer had a better lane agility test? Also meaningless.

[paulpressey25]

This is a good thread.

Guys I want that have a chance of maybe slipping to 15 somehow:
Patrick Patterson. I think the fact he isn't a Dave Berri productive metric guy is a legit red-flag. Still I think on the Bucks team and in the Bucks system he could turn into a really good player for us.

Henry. I see this guy as a no middle ground guy. Either the pedigree will win out and he'll be a very good player or his lack of being able to create, drive, dish etc will make him a poor man's Kyle Korver if that. Either way, I'm fine with them picking him.

Paul George. I don't see star. I see Ryan Gomes or Rich Man's Gomes if he pans out. But that could be a very productive player for us. I'd be fine here.

Cole Aldrich. Nothing special here. Just a workman big. And we need that.

Guys I want us to stay away from:
Babbitt and Hayward. Call me the reverse racist, but I can't think of many white SF's who turn into impact players. Every team needs some Chase Budinger guys but normally I wouldn't start drafting them until pick 15 or lower. But since this draft has a bunch of bigs that will push higher quality people down to 15, I wouldn't take either of these guys. I'd go Sanders if that latest DX mock held and most of the guys I want are gone.

Guys we might pick that I have no clue on:
Udoh, Whiteside and Sanders. I'm happy if we take a big like these guys, but to be honest I can't tell what these guys are about unless I could spend a day in the gym watching them and then interviewing them. Udoh would be my preference though from the limited info available.

The guy I'm most intrigued by: DeMarcus Cousins. Obviously the guy has some major mental red flags that the coaches and GM's pick up from interacting with him. Otherwise I can't see why he isn't going number one overall. Moses Malone is a good comparison for him. A guy who isn't your prototypical franchise big with hops and range, shotblocking, etc. But just an efficient scoring and rebounding beast in the low block. I think he will be the best player out of this draft if he gets with the right team and stays out of trouble.

[LUKE23]

Paul George. I don't see star. I see Ryan Gomes or Rich Man's Gomes if he pans out. But that could be a very productive player for us. I'd be fine here.

That's fine if you don't see him being a star, but his game is nothing like Gomes. Gomes is a SF/PF, George is a SG/SF.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I'm gonna go ahead and throw out my official prediction as Xavier Henry with the additional thought that I'm actually warming to this possibility as well.