Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid

[driese0824]

ESPN getting conflicting reports. Let the smoke screens begin!

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I think you can almost book it. Embiid is the odds on favorite to go #1 and I think they are pretty high odds too. BPA + best fit for their current roster. I'd basically be shocked if he isn't the #1 pick (especially if Cleveland keeps it).

that would be the perfect scenario but the thought of philly trading with Cleveland for wiggins scares me but I don't think in either scenario wether wiggins is gone with the first pick or not I don't think the bucks are picking embiid

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Embiid vs Wiggins will make for a pretty epic debate before the draft. I'm gonna be happy with either, but if Embiid drops to us I think we're going be getting the best guy in the class.

It's just my opinion and clearly I'm far from a professional scout. But I'm still confused as to why Embiid isn't being viewed as by far and away the first overall pick in this draft. He has the body of guys like Robinson and Hakeem, he has good touch around the rim, he runs the floor well, he puts in effort defensively, he can disrupt shots and he continues to progress rapidly on the offensive end.

I truly believe that he is viewed that way, but that the opinion hasn't bled out into the media yet. The back thing threw things for a bit of a loop. Had that not happened, it would probably be near consensus already. I'm hoping I'm wrong and that the Cavs pass on him at #1.

[driese0824]

Embiid vs Wiggins will make for a pretty epic debate before the draft. I'm gonna be happy with either, but if Embiid drops to us I think we're going be getting the best guy in the class.

It's just my opinion and clearly I'm far from a professional scout. But I'm still confused as to why Embiid isn't being viewed as by far and away the first overall pick in this draft. He has the body of guys like Robinson and Hakeem, he has good touch around the rim, he runs the floor well, he puts in effort defensively, he can disrupt shots and he continues to progress rapidly on the offensive end.

I truly believe that he is viewed that way, but that the opinion hasn't bled out into the media yet. The back thing threw things for a bit of a loop. Had that not happened, it would probably be near consensus already. I'm hoping I'm wrong and that the Cavs pass on him at #1.

if the cavs don't pick him #1 he will slip to 3 cause its either exum or parker at 2

[buckboy]

Passing on a franchise-changing center ......

im talking about embiid... the 11/8 guy from Kansas who broke his back from too much moving.

lets avoid labeling him with what wed save for a Duncan or Olajuwon out of college. this guy has a ton of question marks INCLUDING his play. the fact he doesn't even want to be here makes him a complete wtf ever as far as im concerned. theres too much other "talent" in this draft to roll the dice with than this guy.

This is simplistic and silly.

Watch the games. The productivity crowd is just so short-sighted........

And I'm almost certain his back isn't "broken". I'll wait for the medicals though.

[Ill-yasova]

It's just my opinion and clearly I'm far from a professional scout. But I'm still confused as to why Embiid isn't being viewed as by far and away the first overall pick in this draft. He has the body of guys like Robinson and Hakeem, he has good touch around the rim, he runs the floor well, he puts in effort defensively, he can disrupt shots and he continues to progress rapidly on the offensive end.

I truly believe that he is viewed that way, but that the opinion hasn't bled out into the media yet. The back thing threw things for a bit of a loop. Had that not happened, it would probably be near consensus already. I'm hoping I'm wrong and that the Cavs pass on him at #1.

if the cavs don't pick him #1 he will slip to 3 cause its either exum or parker at 2

You really think that? Parker or Exum at 2 would be shocking. I think that a week or so from now it will be pretty common knowledge that Embiid is going first with Wiggins going to us.

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[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

I am of the opinion that we and any contender in today's NBA, NEEDS an ELITE WING to compete. The NBA game is geared towards small ball, and lacking a dominant go-to wing is more harmful than lacking a dominant C. All we need our C to do is lock down the paint and not be a net-negative offensively -- this is Larry Sanders if he gets his character issues together.

We cannot do without an elite wing -- for me it's WIGGINS given the choice -- the potential to be that kind of player; we have needed this for a decade, the fact that CLE will be able to pair him up with Irving is such a farce.

[driese0824]

I truly believe that he is viewed that way, but that the opinion hasn't bled out into the media yet. The back thing threw things for a bit of a loop. Had that not happened, it would probably be near consensus already. I'm hoping I'm wrong and that the Cavs pass on him at #1.

if the cavs don't pick him #1 he will slip to 3 cause its either exum or parker at 2

You really think that? Parker or Exum at 2 would be shocking. I think that a week or so from now it will be pretty common knowledge that Embiid is going first with Wiggins going to us.

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I agree with this what im saying that if Cleveland chooses wiggins first I still don't think embiid would be picked by the bucks I think it would be either parker or exum.

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This whole "the new NBA needs an elite wing" and "it's not a big man's game anymore" is such a farce IMO.

The best players currently are wings (Lebron and KD), and there aren't any truly great C's, so it makes people think that the game itself has changed. But that's the wrong conclusion. Really, if anything, you see the teams that give the two greatest players the most problems and it's teams with good bigs (Indiana, San Antonio, Memphis).

There is no Lebron or KD in this draft. People draw the improper conclusion that it is no longer a big man's game and that you need your greatest players to be wings because or Lebron and KD, and then further pull the wool over their own eyes by acting like whatever top wing prospect is on that level.

Our best bet to win a championship is to use Giannis as our primary wing player and Embiid as our dominant two-way post presence, and surround them with shooters, IMO.

[driese0824]

I am of the opinion that we and any contender in today's NBA, NEEDS an ELITE WING to compete. The NBA game is geared towards small ball, and lacking a dominant go-to wing is more harmful than lacking a dominant C. All we need our C to do is lock down the paint and not be a net-negative offensively -- this is Larry Sanders if he gets his character issues together.

We cannot do without an elite wing -- for me it's WIGGINS given the choice -- the potential to be that kind of player; we have needed this for a decade, the fact that CLE will be able to pair him up with Irving is such a farce.

totally agree with that the bucks need that athletic wing who can score,u cant expect knight to be the only one.If sanders comes back with the right frame of mind to me hes plenty good to play center for us.A knight or wolters, as PG with wiggins and giannis as the wings and ersan(if not traded) and sanders as our center is a pretty good 5

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

This whole "the new NBA needs an elite wing" and "it's not a big man's game anymore" is such a farce IMO.

The best players currently are wings (Lebron and KD), and there aren't any truly great C's, so it makes people think that the game itself has changed. But that's the wrong conclusion. Really, if anything, you see the teams that give the two greatest players the most problems and it's teams with good bigs (Indiana, San Antonio, Memphis).

There is no Lebron or KD in this draft. People draw the improper conclusion that it is no longer a big man's game and that you need your greatest players to be wings because or Lebron and KD, and then further pull the wool over their own eyes by acting like whatever top wing prospect is on that level.

Our best bet to win a championship is to use Giannis as our primary wing player and Embiid as our dominant two-way post presence, and surround them with shooters, IMO.

Way too much faith in Giannis at the moment.

He has shown flashes, but if he falters, I don't care if Embiid becomes a Dwight Howard (today's version) we are not going anywhere without an elite wing in the long run. You need a go-to elite wing to succeed. LeBron and KD are outliers, they are not wings, they are ballers. The reality is we can't expect to go anywhere without shot-creators especially since Tom Thibideau's box scheme stifling the inside game and the NBA making rules that disfavor inside play.

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

Elite =/= Top 10 alltime great (LeBron, KD), Elite is a Harden, Paul George, Prime Ray Allen, Wade calibre -- and WE NEED a player of that type. No questions asked; there is NO WAY around that. This draft will be known as the strongest or highest potential for elite wing players this decade. Who are we looking at next year for a wing if we stick with Embiid? I don't know, but if we get Wiggins/Parker and we still suck, we can look at Jalil Okafor. No wings look remotely interesting.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Passing on a franchise-changing center ......

im talking about embiid... the 11/8 guy from Kansas who broke his back from too much moving. .

This is simplistic and silly.

yes its simplistic. no its not silly. sometimes it is just this easy.

people get drunk all the time on "upside" and "talent" when the obvious is staring them square in the face..... it makes them do dumb things. they do dumb things because they make simple complicated.

the amount of teams who end up getting totally screwed when they ignore the medical redflags of a big man coming out of college is a mile long.

the idea that we would pass on other high upside players for an 11/8 project center, who stress fractured his back from playing the first extended basketball minutes of his career, who then tells Milwaukee they can basically **** off because he doesn't like cold winters.... is all you need to know before you move on to the next guy. it really is just that simple. a youtube collage of a couple nice post moves just doesn't change that.

[driese0824]

Elite =/= Top 10 alltime great (LeBron, KD), Elite is a Harden, Paul George, Prime Ray Allen, Wade calibre -- and WE NEED a player of that type. No questions asked; there is NO WAY around that. This draft will be known as the strongest or highest potential for elite wing players this decade. Who are we looking at next year for a wing if we stick with Embiid? I don't know, but if we get Wiggins/Parker and we still suck, we can look at Jalil Okafor. No wings look remotely interesting.

with next years draft full of promising big men already I agree with you draft a quality wing this year and maybe get top 5 pick next year

[LUKE23]

You couldn't be more wrong on Embiid. But that really isn't surprising. Going by raw per game stats is about as dumb as it gets when evaulating prospects too. I mean, hell, lets take Julius Randle at #2 because he put up a double double.

[Steve210]

It's going to be real interesting to see which direction the Cavs go at #1? I think it's safe to say that most people feel they blew the Anthony Bennett pick, so do they go with the "safe" pick or do they swing for the fences? If Embiid is medically cleared by the doctors, I think the Cavs have to seriously consider taking him. I'd love to see Wiggins fall in the Bucks lap. Maybe the Cavs go with Parker because they feel he's going to be a nice compliment to Kyrie & Waiters? It should be interesting, with so many smokescreens and bs, it's way to early to know which direction they will go? How many of the mock drafts had Anthony Bennett going #1? Let's enjoy the process and see how this all plays out. I feel real good about where the Bucks are sitting, because it wouldn't shock me at all if Cleveland does something crazy again.

[Thunder Muscle]

Elite =/= Top 10 alltime great (LeBron, KD), Elite is a Harden, Paul George, Prime Ray Allen, Wade calibre -- and WE NEED a player of that type. No questions asked; there is NO WAY around that. This draft will be known as the strongest or highest potential for elite wing players this decade. Who are we looking at next year for a wing if we stick with Embiid? I don't know, but if we get Wiggins/Parker and we still suck, we can look at Jalil Okafor. No wings look remotely interesting.

with next years draft full of promising big men already I agree with you draft a quality wing this year and maybe get top 5 pick next year

I guess so, DX currently has 4 Centers in their Top 10 for next year.

[Thunder Muscle]

It's going to be real interesting to see which direction the Cavs go at #1? I think it's safe to say that most people feel they blew the Anthony Bennett pick, so do they go with the "safe" pick or do they swing for the fences? If Embiid is medically cleared by the doctors, I think the Cavs have to seriously consider taking him. I'd love to see Wiggins fall in the Bucks lap. Maybe the Cavs go with Parker because they feel he's going to be a nice compliment to Kyrie & Waiters? It should be interesting, with so many smokescreens and bs, it's way to early to know which direction they will go? How many of the mock drafts had Anthony Bennett going #1? Let's enjoy the process and see how this all plays out. I feel real good about where the Bucks are sitting, because it wouldn't shock me at all if Cleveland does something crazy again.

I wouldn't be shocked if they traded it to Philly. If Cavs like all of Wiggins, Parker, Embiid they're guaranteed to get one at #3, can add some other pieces/picks, and the Sixers appear to love Wiggins so they would be motivated to move up ahead of us.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

You couldn't be more wrong on Embiid. But that really isn't surprising. Going by raw per game stats is about as dumb as it gets when evaulating prospects too. I mean, hell, lets take Julius Randle at #2 because he put up a double double.

the fact you disagree with me is actually encouraging. each year you pick your guy and talk about how crazy everybody is for not being as much in love with them as you are. then that player gets drafted and sucks. a lot of the time they are literally the biggest bomb in their tier. take your finger out of my face. this isn't right or wrong. its guesses.

[driese0824]

It's going to be real interesting to see which direction the Cavs go at #1? I think it's safe to say that most people feel they blew the Anthony Bennett pick, so do they go with the "safe" pick or do they swing for the fences? If Embiid is medically cleared by the doctors, I think the Cavs have to seriously consider taking him. I'd love to see Wiggins fall in the Bucks lap. Maybe the Cavs go with Parker because they feel he's going to be a nice compliment to Kyrie & Waiters? It should be interesting, with so many smokescreens and bs, it's way to early to know which direction they will go? How many of the mock drafts had Anthony Bennett going #1? Let's enjoy the process and see how this all plays out. I feel real good about where the Bucks are sitting, because it wouldn't shock me at all if Cleveland does something crazy again.

I wouldn't be shocked if they traded it to Philly. If Cavs like all of Wiggins, Parker, Embiid they're guaranteed to get one at #3, can add some other pieces/picks, and the Sixers appear to love Wiggins so they would be motivated to move up ahead of us.

If that trade is made the newest member of the bucks will be parker with exum being a very close 2nd

[LUKE23]

How you evaluate prospects (raw pts/reb stats with no context of efficiency, role in offense, or defensive impact) is ridiculous. If you don't see that, I don't know what to say. I'm going against your "an 11/8 center" comment. It's a dumb comment and I'm calling a spade a spade.

If that's how prospects were evaluated, we should be touting Doug McDermott at #1.