Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership

[humanrefutation]

how many playoff series have we won in the last 30 years?

issue isn't the gm. its the city and ownership

Might as well just give up then, huh? Move em to Seattle.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

It doesn't fly with me to give credit to someone when things go well (Hammond is great, he drafted Giannis, Brogdon, etc..) and give him no blame for the crap (Hammond was forced into all the bad, horrible contracts).

like I said, even if you want to pin blame on him for the bad moves, he's done a tremendous job getting rid of those contracts, instead of seeing them play out their entirety

[Wooderson]

contracts his coach and ownership forced his hand to make

When you're making dumb contract decisions over two ownership groups and several coaches, it falls on you, too.

disagree

If Hammond's not competent enough to convince ownership that signing Drew freaking Gooden to a 5 year, $32 million dollars is a horrible move, then how in the world is he supposed to outsmart other GMs? Drew Gooden, who'd been on 5 teams in the 2 years prior to his signing.

And this comment applies to a ton of moves he's made.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

When you're making dumb contract decisions over two ownership groups and several coaches, it falls on you, too.

disagree

If Hammond's not competent enough to convince ownership that signing Drew freaking Gooden to a 5 year, $32 million dollars is a horrible move, then how in the world is he supposed to outsmart other GMs? Drew Gooden, who'd been on 5 teams in the 2 years prior to his signing. And this comment applies to a ton of moves he's made.

GM jobs in this league don't grow on trees

if you have one, you try to keep it....even if that includes sometimes kowtowing to your owner

[KidA24]

It doesn't fly with me to give credit to someone when things go well (Hammond is great, he drafted Giannis, Brogdon, etc..) and give him no blame for the crap (Hammond was forced into all the bad, horrible contracts).

his worst deal was an mle deal to drew gooden. that's literally the ONLY deal in 9 years he couldn't move. to have just one bad mle deal and literally not a single other immoveable deal in a decade is a amazing. the idea he made a bunch of bad horrible contracts is just a straight up mistelling

The problem isn't just the signings, it's the collective inability to gain positive value on any moves he has made.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/hammojo99x.html

It's been 9 years, they haven't won a playoff series. Outside of (maybe) 4 moves in 9 years, what has he done to move the time in the correct direction?

He essentially traded Klay Thompson for Tobias Harris and Stephen **** Jackson. I mean, COME ON.

[humanrefutation]

It doesn't fly with me to give credit to someone when things go well (Hammond is great, he drafted Giannis, Brogdon, etc..) and give him no blame for the crap (Hammond was forced into all the bad, horrible contracts).

like I said, even if you want to pin blame on him for the bad moves, he's done a tremendous job getting rid of those contracts, instead of seeing them play out their entirety

What? Other than Plumlee, what other bad contract has he managed to shed? Henson's contract is still here. So it Telly's. Salmons contract was moved in a deal that was absolutely terrible. IIRC, we only ended up saving a few million on the terrible Ersan contract by the end of it. Larrry's contract blew up in his face (though that's not entirely on Hammond).

So what are you talking about, exactly?

[Wooderson]

GM jobs in this league don't grow on trees

if you have one, you try to keep it....even if that includes sometimes kowtowing to your owner

You're right, we should just be happy we even have a GM. Think of all those poor teams who haven't had one in years.

[humanrefutation]

disagree

If Hammond's not competent enough to convince ownership that signing Drew freaking Gooden to a 5 year, $32 million dollars is a horrible move, then how in the world is he supposed to outsmart other GMs? Drew Gooden, who'd been on 5 teams in the 2 years prior to his signing. And this comment applies to a ton of moves he's made.

GM jobs in this league don't grow on trees

if you have one, you try to keep it....even if that includes sometimes kowtowing to your owner

Great! So, by your standard, Hammond only gets accountability for the good moves and has zero responsibility for the bad ones.

[worthlessBucks]

Shouldn't take 10 years to clean up after Hennigan.

[worthlessBucks]

please, no

not sure why Hammond gets as much hate as he does......dude needs to stay a few years and see the fruit of his labor

lol

[Ron Swanson]

please, no

not sure why Hammond gets as much hate as he does......dude needs to stay a few years and see the fruit of his labor

I found this funny, cuz if John Hammond's name was Sam Hinkie, this is exactly what people would be saying.

[BroncoBuck]

The fact that there's people that think Hammond was anything other than a train wreck is fascinating to me.

Years from now, I think we will look back at Hammond's tenure and view him much more favorably than he is viewed now.

Larry Harris was a train wreck, Hammond has been a fairly decent ride. The guy threw money at everyone he could

September 20, 2006 – Re-signed guard Charlie Bell to a five-year, $18.5 million contract, by matching the Miami Heat's offer sheet.
July 24, 2006 – Re-signed guard Maurice Williams to a six-year, $52 million contract, by matching the Miami Heat's offer sheet.
August 13, 2005 – Re-signed guard Michael Redd to the maximum contract permitted, for six years and $91 million.
August 12, 2005 – Re-signed center Dan Gadzuric to a six-year $36 million contract.[7]
August 8, 2005 – Signed 2004–05 NBA most improved player Bobby Simmons, formerly of the Los Angeles Clippers, to a five-year $47 million contract.[8]

[Diggr14]

Let's meet Orlando halfway.

They send us a 2nd (because Hambone loves em)


We send them our shadow GM, Jason Kidd.

[chonestown]

his worst move in a decade is signing drew gooden to an mle deal. that's a pretty good bullet point compared to a lot of other gms in this league.

Valued MCW over LAL's pick in this upcoming draft.

[worthlessBucks]

please, no

not sure why Hammond gets as much hate as he does......dude needs to stay a few years and see the fruit of his labor

I found this funny, cuz if John Hammond's name was Sam Hinkie, this is exactly what people would be saying.

Yeah that comparison is so accurate, now I'm laughing. 2013-2016 in a rebuilding and asset collection mode. 2008-2017 with massive failure. Yeah, great comparison.

[chonestown]

please, no

not sure why Hammond gets as much hate as he does......dude needs to stay a few years and see the fruit of his labor

I found this funny, cuz if John Hammond's name was Sam Hinkie, this is exactly what people would be saying.

It's eerie how similar the situations are. I'm currently grafting an extra thumb onto my right hand so I can give this more than two thumbs up.

[Wooderson]

please, no

not sure why Hammond gets as much hate as he does......dude needs to stay a few years and see the fruit of his labor

I found this funny, cuz if John Hammond's name was Sam Hinkie, this is exactly what people would be saying.

Yeah that comparison is so accurate, now I'm laughing. 2013-2016 in a rebuilding and asset collection mode. 2008-2017 with massive failure. Yeah, great comparison.

Hammonds had a plan all along! Just needs another decade to see if it's successful.

[SkilesTheLimit]

please, no

not sure why Hammond gets as much hate as he does......dude needs to stay a few years and see the fruit of his labor

I found this funny, cuz if John Hammond's name was Sam Hinkie, this is exactly what people would be saying.

Yeah that comparison is so accurate, now I'm laughing. 2013-2016 in a rebuilding and asset collection mode. 2008-2017 with massive failure. Yeah, great comparison.

If I were Hammond, I would take the ORL job. He has been marginalized since the LED takeover and Kidd thinks he's in charge. He would be able to call all the shots and hire his own staff without having to battle a power hungry head coach trying to do your job too. And he would likely get a minimum of 4 years which would be more than he's guaranteed here and would take him right into retirement. Florida is a beautiful place November through April!

[Finn]

It doesn't fly with me to give credit to someone when things go well (Hammond is great, he drafted Giannis, Brogdon, etc..) and give him no blame for the crap (Hammond was forced into all the bad, horrible contracts).

Exactly. Part of your JOB as GENERAL MANAGER is to be able to explain your position and actually convince those above you as to why a move is right or wrong.

This laughable idea that nothing that went wrong is his fault, because of meddling from whomever is stupid.

Easy to say, hard to do. Some of you have apparently not ever worked for a Boss who is never wrong (in their mind).

[Ron Swanson]

please, no

not sure why Hammond gets as much hate as he does......dude needs to stay a few years and see the fruit of his labor

I found this funny, cuz if John Hammond's name was Sam Hinkie, this is exactly what people would be saying.

Yeah that comparison is so accurate, now I'm laughing. 2013-2016 in a rebuilding and asset collection mode. 2008-2017 with massive failure. Yeah, great comparison.

Oh settle down. Hinkie absolutely should have been allowed to see it through. It's just funny because in that same time frame (2013-16), we've put together a better core with less assets than the Sixers have, yet nobody really wants to admit it. But yeah, whatever, "assets" and stuff.