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2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#41 » by Gianstoppable » Fri May 26, 2017 2:55 am

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Ill-yasova wrote:I'm not sure where we'd have to be, but one of my top trade down targets is Jordan Bell. Not a great shooter, but his defense, rebounding and motor are all very good. Only 6'9" but he's strong enough not to get pushed around near the rim, can switch onto guards and wings on the perimeter, and provides weak side shot blocking. Defensive Player of the Year in the Pac10, and while his offensive game is a little rough he shows some natural fluidity with the ball that shows he could develop. Most importantly he plays with an edge. He's got that attitude the Bucks are missing outside of Giannis where people know they're going to be in for a battle when he checks in.



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Post#42 » by jakecronus8 » Fri May 26, 2017 2:56 am

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jakecronus8 wrote:My peen is remarkably softer with Diallo withdrawing.

Jeanne
Giles
Ferguson

That's my board now. If all three are gone somehow grab a for sure guy in Kennard.


I like Jeanne, and Giles to a certain extent but Ferguson just doesn't do anything for me. I'd much rather take Kennard over Ferguson and a hand full of other guards for that matter. What do you like most about him?


Athleticism and his jumper has promise. The ft shooting is a bit concerning though.

All in all we need another home run swing. Its so abundantly clear how little talent this team has despite being capped out.
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Post#43 » by emunney » Fri May 26, 2017 3:34 am

I really like Derrick White's game even though I just watched some interviews with him and he speaks in 100% cliches.
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Post#44 » by Chuck Diesel » Fri May 26, 2017 3:38 am

Of the guys protected to be available I'm good with Jeanne, Kennard, Anibogu & Kurucs.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#45 » by Ill-yasova » Fri May 26, 2017 4:00 am

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weezybaby856 wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:My peen is remarkably softer with Diallo withdrawing.

Jeanne
Giles
Ferguson

That's my board now. If all three are gone somehow grab a for sure guy in Kennard.


I like Jeanne, and Giles to a certain extent but Ferguson just doesn't do anything for me. I'd much rather take Kennard over Ferguson and a hand full of other guards for that matter. What do you like most about him?


Athleticism and his jumper has promise. The ft shooting is a bit concerning though.

All in all we need another home run swing. Its so abundantly clear how little talent this team has despite being capped out.

That's the thing, I don't think he's a home run swing at all. Athleticism means nothing if you can't dribble and get near the rim to actually use it. He's a bad ball handler who has also showed little interest in getting into the lane and finishing through contact. On top of that his 3-point shooting was terrible in Australia. I just don't see any heart in him to be an aggressive difference maker. That's the difference between Ferguson and Giannis and Thon. Giannis and Thon have drive, Ferguson hasn't shown that at all.
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Post#46 » by Rockmaninoff » Fri May 26, 2017 4:44 am

I kind of think if you draft Terrance Ferguson, you'll be waiting 3 years for him to become Justin Jackson.
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Post#47 » by mke_design » Fri May 26, 2017 4:50 am

How is patton any different than deyonta davis? hmm..
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Post#48 » by JEIS » Fri May 26, 2017 5:33 am

Viny Okouno seem like an intriguing prospect.
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Post#49 » by NothingEasy » Fri May 26, 2017 6:20 am

Seriously, why are people so high on Ike Anigbogu? Can someone explain it to me?
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Post#50 » by Gam » Fri May 26, 2017 6:26 am

NothingEasy wrote:Seriously, why are people so high on Ike Anigbogu? Can someone explain it to me?


Huge wingspan (7'6.25"), has only been playing Basketball for 3 years, strong as ****, good shot blocking instincts, plus athlete for his size (250+ lbs), good rebounding instincts, youngest player in the draft, would theoretically compliment Thon perfectly as our backup 5, great motor, seems like a really good kid.
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Post#51 » by Fotis St » Fri May 26, 2017 6:31 am

Semi Ojeleye is climbing on the board ...

He just worked out with the Pacers #18 and with the Raptors #23

Is Ojeleye a young PJ Tucker ? He is NBA Ready.

His body is perfect. He shoots the 3 too, ........3P% 42.4 at a nice clip 5 3PA/g, .......78.5%FT,...52,9 2P%
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Semi-Ojeleye-7164/stats/

With Lebron,Crowder,Tucker at the East we don't have a player like Semi. He could be usefull. He can guard the 3 and small ball 4s.
He gets into the discussion #17 for sure.

So he plays same position with Justin Jackson (UNC) SF/PF ... who do you take ... the tall, lengthy, lightweight Justin and hope he gets to the gym or the shorter and stronger NBA Ready one ?
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Post#52 » by LuessiT » Fri May 26, 2017 7:07 am

Fotis St wrote:Semi Ojeleye is climbing on the board ...

He just worked out with the Pacers #18 and with the Raptors #23

Is Ojeleye a young PJ Tucker ? He is NBA Ready.

His body is perfect. He shoots the 3 too, ........3P% 42.4 at a nice clip 5 3PA/g, .......78.5%FT,...52,9 2P%
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Semi-Ojeleye-7164/stats/

With Lebron,Crowder,Tucker at the East we don't have a player like Semi. He could be usefull. He can guard the 3 and small ball 4s.
He gets into the discussion #17 for sure.

So he plays same position with Justin Jackson (UNC) SF/PF ... who do you take ... the tall, lengthy, lightweight Justin and hope he gets to the gym or the shorter and stronger NBA Ready one ?


Some real head scratching comments here.

Ojeleye can guard real sized 4's but probably not 3's as he's been struggling on that end in college already. He's very robotic on defense and doesn't have the lateral quickness to be able to guard quicker SF's. He's not a good defender in college despite him being stronger and more athletic than the players he has to defend. He's not a defensive prospect at all. At best he's going to be a neutral defender in the league.
Ojeleye's catch is that he can create his own shot off the dribble from outside and in the paint. The first part is a pretty rare skill at the power forward position. His handles are pretty far developed and should get help him get his shot off vs. NBA length. He doesn't do much other than scoring so depending on how efficient he's going to be there he has a wide span of possible outcomes ranging from not sticking to being a premier offensive scorer.
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Post#53 » by Fotis St » Fri May 26, 2017 7:52 am

Look at Semi Ojeleye's combine tests ... he is strong , fast, agile, he can probably play SG/SF/PF ... He is a Freak.
Compare his tests with J.Jackson, Mitchell, or even the small PG Frank Mason


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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#54 » by M-C-G » Fri May 26, 2017 1:11 pm

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NothingEasy wrote:Seriously, why are people so high on Ike Anigbogu? Can someone explain it to me?


Huge wingspan (7'6.25"), has only been playing Basketball for 3 years, strong as ****, good shot blocking instincts, plus athlete for his size (250+ lbs), good rebounding instincts, youngest player in the draft, would theoretically compliment Thon perfectly as our backup 5, great motor, seems like a really good kid.


Nice summary. He is Tristian Thompson available in the middle of the draft. Guy will do all your dirty work and his shot in that last workout looks way better than I expected.


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Post#55 » by Ron Swanson » Fri May 26, 2017 1:31 pm

I actually do like the Jae Crowder comparison for Ojeleye. He seems like a guy who the Spurs will pick at #29, and turn him into another Johnathan Simmons.
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Post#56 » by Badgerlander » Fri May 26, 2017 1:37 pm

LuessiT wrote:Ojeleye can guard real sized 4's but probably not 3's as he's been struggling on that end in college already. He's very robotic on defense and doesn't have the lateral quickness to be able to guard quicker SF's. He's not a good defender in college despite him being stronger and more athletic than the players he has to defend. He's not a defensive prospect at all. At best he's going to be a neutral defender in the league.
Ojeleye's catch is that he can create his own shot off the dribble from outside and in the paint. The first part is a pretty rare skill at the power forward position. His handles are pretty far developed and should get help him get his shot off vs. NBA length. He doesn't do much other than scoring so depending on how efficient he's going to be there he has a wide span of possible outcomes ranging from not sticking to being a premier offensive scorer.


I'm not going to go as far as saying Ojeleye is a good defender, but I dont think he's a bad defender either. He has lateral quickness, I've seen him switch onto PGs and stay in front of them and cut off drives, but thats not to say he's going to do that against the quickest of NBA guards. The nice thing about the defense that he played in is that he is showing and recovering on PnRs, doubling in the post and running out at the perimeter shooters, but yeah his recognition isnt the best and he is sometimes a step slow to react.

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SEMI OJELEYE
Wing SMU, Jr.

RINGER’S 1 REASON Defensive Versatility
AGE22.5
HEIGHT/WEIGHT6' 7''/235
WINGSPAN6' 10''
STANDING REACH8' 6''
Athletic, multipositional forward who could rise up draft boards with strong workouts.
BEST-CASE SCENARIO: Jae Crowder, Stanley Johnson, Jonathon Simmons

PLUSES
Good defender against bigs. He has a strong, sturdy frame, and plays with superb fundamentals defending without fouling.
Versatile enough to defend guards and wings. Fights through screens, closes out well.

Smooth, simple one-motion spot-up shooting form with NBA range should translate. Needs to quicken his release, but it’s fixable.
Athletic at-rim finisher. Hangs in the air and handles contact well in traffic. Can throw down dunks when he has space attacking closeouts.

MINUSES
Spent two years at Duke before transferring to SMU. Hasn’t excelled versus elite competition, and is already 22 years old.
Defensive intensity wanes. Doesn’t pick up many blocks, steals, or charges. Tends to be a beat late on his rotations.
Lacks creativity as a ball handler and is stiff changing directions. May never be more than a straight-line bully driver.


http://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/3/17/14946636/march-madness-prospect-watch-day-2-semi-ojeleye-smu
His athleticism shows up when attacking the rim as well as his “switchability” potential on the defensive end. He shows good discipline when guarding the pick and roll, and while he doesn’t generate many steals or blocks, staying in front of guards and generating misses his one of Ojeleye’s strengths.


http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2017-semi-ojeleye-scouting-report-combine-smu-duke-basketball-first-round-prospects/15lctixt4z6471iaxhk0bklxob
That strength and speed combination plays itself out best on defense, where Ojeleye has shown the ability to defend multiple positions. With the Mustangs, it was not abnormal to see Ojeleye guarding someone like Tacko Fall from UCF on one possession in the post, then switching out onto a perimeter player the next. He doesn’t force turnovers at a high level, but he provides positional versatility at a time when it is more valued than ever.
Look at how deep Ojeleye sits down in his stance in order to slide for his opponent on the perimeter for multiple steps. He also understands how to use his quickness on the block to front bigger players as well as use his lower body strength to walk skinnier forwards off the block. For a player his age and weight class, he’s extremely mature in terms of his mechanics. When mixed with his athleticism, it presents as an NBA-ready defender. He attributes this to staying “mentally focused,” while also noting that he understands defense is how he can make his early NBA mark.

“Being a rookie, all the teams told me that (defense) is going to get you on the court,” Ojeleye said. “They have the All-Stars, they have the all-world type guys. So unless you’re a lottery pick, you’re not going to go in and shoot 15, 20 shots a game. Playing defense and keeping it simple on offense, then expanding your game each offseason is what’s going to get you on the court.”



btw his full name is Jesusemilore Talodabijesu Ojeleye, how awesome is that
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Post#57 » by Badgerlander » Fri May 26, 2017 1:43 pm

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NothingEasy wrote:Seriously, why are people so high on Ike Anigbogu? Can someone explain it to me?


Huge wingspan (7'6.25"), has only been playing Basketball for 3 years, strong as ****, good shot blocking instincts, plus athlete for his size (250+ lbs), good rebounding instincts, youngest player in the draft, would theoretically compliment Thon perfectly as our backup 5, great motor, seems like a really good kid.


Nice summary. He is Tristian Thompson available in the middle of the draft. Guy will do all your dirty work and his shot in that last workout looks way better than I expected.


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-18-year-old UCLA center Ike Anigbogu measured 6'8.5 barefoot with a massive 7'6.25 wingspan, giving him the largest wingspan-to-height differential at this year's NBA Combine and one of the top marks in our database all-time surpassing notoriously long players like Kawhi Leonard and Hassan Whiteside by a comfortable margin. Tipping the scales at 252 pounds, Anigbogu is a rare physical specimen whose closest physical comparison is likely Alonzo Mourning who measured 6'9.5 in shoes with a 7'6.5 wingspan and a 249-pound frame in 1992 as a 22-year-old after his senior season at Georgetown. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2017-nba-draft-combine-measurements-analysis-5927/ ©DraftExpress
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-There was a lot of intrigue around the measurements of Oregon junior Jordan Bell as he looks to translate his rebounding and defensive enforcer role to the NBA level. Bell stood 6'8.5 with shoes on and posted a wingspan just under 7'0. While those numbers are not elite, Bell can make up for some of his lack of ideal size with effort and athleticism. His measurements are not all that far off from Tristian Thompson who measured 6'8.75 with a 7'1.25 at the 2011 NBA Combine. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2017-nba-draft-combine-measurements-analysis-5927/ ©DraftExpress
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Post#58 » by streaky » Fri May 26, 2017 1:51 pm

You simply can't find game changers in the second round. Your main objective is to find cheap complimentary tools that fit your scheme and fix your problems. I really like Bell (mobile big with decent D and rebounding).
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Post#59 » by Ruzious » Fri May 26, 2017 1:53 pm

Fotis St wrote:Look at Semi Ojeleye's combine tests ... he is strong , fast, agile, he can probably play SG/SF/PF ... He is a Freak.
Compare his tests with J.Jackson, Mitchell, or even the small PG Frank Mason


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Very impressive - though he clearly lacks length - particularly poor standing reach if he's going to play PF. And his lack of blocks and steals is usually a red flag on defensive potential. Gotta wonder if he was one of those guys playing tricks with the standing reach. I get suspicious of anyone who has a shorter than expected standing reach and a higher than expected vertical - which is his case. Still, the drills were excellent and bode well for his future.
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Post#60 » by Ruzious » Fri May 26, 2017 1:57 pm

streaky wrote:You simply can't find game changers in the second round. Your main objective is to find cheap complimentary tools that fit your scheme and fix your problems. I really like Bell (mobile big with decent D and rebounding).

Find someone who excells at one part of the game and who has the potential - with hard work - to improve gradually in the other areas. Bell seems like a good choice.
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