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Re: The Greek National Team thread 

Post#41 » by turbostef » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:02 am

Regarding the competition level we have a good roster but some significant problems.

First of all Serbia and France are lacking a lot of their stars. Especially France without Parker, Gobert and Batum is not a fear.
Serbia always stays dangerous even without Jokic.

Spain is the only team that brought every star to it's roster. So Spain is by far the frontrunner.

Our problem is that Serbvia is the most likely opponent in a quarter final (Greece will make the quarter final for sure).
Serbia with their BB IQ have found the way to beat us.

The way is simple. Zone Defense and let us shoot while having good shooters

With this tactic they eliminate teh strenghts of Giannis and exploit our bad shooting. That simple.

Unless Giannis activates Beast Mode and drives through the paint killing the serbian frontcourt and getting them to foul trouble
we will have big problems against Serbia (like allways).

In the 2005's and following years we had good shooters and a ton of Guards on All-European Level with lot's of BB IQ.
In this years 2005 and after we beat Serbia severall times but now our PG's are just mediocre and can't shot on a high level.

Calathes can't make a FT to save his life. Sloukas is by far the best shooter (any comparison to Ruby is ridiculous --> Sloukas is Ray Allen combined with Step Curry in relation to Rubio :lol: )
Mantzaris can hit occasionally Spot Up 3s (especially in the clutch --> sometimes wonder why he hits the in the clutch only :lol: )
Pappas is more of a driving type guy.

Dorsey is young but still has something that we don't have --> reliable Shooting (not only 3s but also Midrange Game).
For some reasons he will not be available (would need to write 3 pages on this issue)

Our Bigs with Bourousis and Papagiannis will be OK. Bourousis has and will always play good for the NT. I have zero!!!
concerns that he will not be our best Center. He always plays his heart out for the NT. That did not change in 365 days.

Papagiannis will be solid on European Level (not enough for Gasol Brothers but enough for a lot of other teams).

Bogris is straight up ****. Has been, will be. Too small, too fat, not athletic, too slow, wrong mindset, not enough talent.
I don't care about his "great" season in Spain or the minor level Champions League and ****. I hope he will not make the final roster (unfortunately he will)or at least play minor minutes as 3rd Center.
He should concentrate on the MILF's and let the NT play some ball.

What about Giannis?
Giannis on FIBA Level must play 4 or even 5. Unfortunately we have our best players on this positions (Bourousis/Papagiannis on 5, Printezis 4) so he would take awy minutes from our best players (besides Giannis).

In Defense Giannis MUST play 4 or 5 (Printezis must switch to 3 --> we tried this severall times last year but Switching is difficult for Europeans who learn BB more on a system based approach, Printezis is too tall and slow for most of the 3s in Europe).

So that we can exploit his Rebounding, Blocking, Rim Protection etc. After Rebounding he could run the Fast Break on his own
and go for some easy points and drawing some fouls.

In half court offense he could switch with Printezis and go for some Post Up's (we did this last year also).

No Point Forward experiments with Giannis anymore. This is FIBA and not NBA. Let Giannis play in the paint and dominate his opponents.

Giannis is tall and big enough for 98% of the European Bigs. The other 2% are Marc Gasol, Gobert.
And even with Marc Giannis could stand his Ground as far as I can remember some mathup's wit the Grizz.
Just Foultrouble would limit Giannis unnecessary when going only against Marc.

Maybe Giannis in the paint can open more free spots for 3s. Sloukas and Mantzaris will hit totally open 3s on a constant basis.

Defense
5 Bourousis/Papagiannis
4 Giannis
3 Printezis/papapetrou/papanikolaou
2 Thanasis
1 Calathes/Mantzaris

Good look against such a team.

Offense is the problem.
How do we find a solution for our shooting problem? This is the main problem.
The answer is Giannis. Let him drive on EVERY possesion. He will draw a foul, create totally open 3s or kill the rim.
This is much better than wathing Calathes dribble the air out of the ball on every possesion oder wathcing Mantzaris bring the ball down the floor in slow motion :lol:

Make a long story short: Let Giannis do everything :D
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Re: The Greek National Team thread 

Post#42 » by Fotis St » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:34 am

Perperoglou is injured?

Based on first post... our best shooters are
PG Sloukas
C Bourousis
PF Printezis

I don't trust Mantzaris 3p shot.

Our guards except Sloukas are absolute trash.

I would play Sloukas 32min at least every night.

Offensively Man2man defense...
P&R Sloukas, Giannis (switching role on ballhandling)
P&R Giannis, Bourousis (Bourousis 3pt shooting is nice on pick n pop)

If opp play zone D ... can't see an easy solution.
Since we don't have shooters, I would try to play Big/Huge ball to beat them inside their packed paint. Bourousis and Giannis are good passers and Papagiannis or Printezis are good post threat with their hooks. Giannis getting the ball at the centre of the paint to force a double team and Giannis could shoot over anybody or pass it to the bigs waiting. It is important that the help defense comes from a big, so Giannis needs to get the ball not at the top of the key but a step in the FT line.

Eventually opp coaches will read it and will order the guards to double team at Giannis, giving wide open 3s to Calathes,Thanasis,Mantzaris... it will be a disaster.

Then Giannis needs to get into Beast mode. When catches the ball attack immediately and finish before the guard catches up to him.

In general all our chips lie on Sloukas. He won the Euroleague, I hope he explodes with the NT. It is his year.
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Re: The Greek National Team thread 

Post#43 » by stellation » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:08 pm

Macedonia >
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Re: The Greek National Team thread 

Post#44 » by AussieBuck » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:26 pm

Don't care how well regarded Printezis is, he's in the way. Bourousis is a boss but otherwise anyone else should prove they deserve to play in Giannis' frontcourt. He should be half C/half PF. Nothing else. Get some Greeks from Melbourne local leagues to space the floor if you have to. Time to stop **** around and set the team up to not be a total waste of time. **** infuriating that every decent league I played in had 4 guys on the court at all times who would light you up if left open but the **** Greek national team can't round up more than a couple of guys who can hit the side of a **** barn.
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Post#45 » by Beorn » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:46 pm

Giannis/Print/Bourousis with a pinch of Papagiannis/Thanasis should cover all the PF/C minutes, we need to manage the Guard rotation properly in order to have Mantzaris/Sloukas/Pappas sharing the floor with Giannis all the time (Kalathes should play less in general, he's sadly a liability with his shooting woes).Then we have our SF issues, Papanikolaou is always contributing although his shot is streaky, but Papapetrou is really inconsistent to be depended upon and Thanasis only adds more shooting woes when player at the perimeter.

What we severely lack is Wings, our G rotation doesn't have four 6'5"-6'7" All-Euroleague players like it did a decade ago to cover up any SF/SG inadequacies. We should have called Bramos IMO
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Re: The Greek National Team thread 

Post#46 » by Pachinko_ » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:47 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Don't care how well regarded Printezis is, he's in the way. Bourousis is a boss but otherwise anyone else should prove they deserve to play in Giannis' frontcourt. He should be half C/half PF. Nothing else. Get some Greeks from Melbourne local leagues to space the floor if you have to. Time to stop **** around and set the team up to not be a total waste of time. **** infuriating that every decent league I played in had 4 guys on the court at all times who would light you up if left open but the **** Greek national team can't round up more than a couple of guys who can hit the side of a **** barn.

never mind that, it is what it is, just enjoy Giannis.

man, how good are the boomers gonna be next time they get together? Ben, Thon, Patty :droop:
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Re: The Greek National Team thread 

Post#47 » by AussieBuck » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:51 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Don't care how well regarded Printezis is, he's in the way. Bourousis is a boss but otherwise anyone else should prove they deserve to play in Giannis' frontcourt. He should be half C/half PF. Nothing else. Get some Greeks from Melbourne local leagues to space the floor if you have to. Time to stop **** around and set the team up to not be a total waste of time. **** infuriating that every decent league I played in had 4 guys on the court at all times who would light you up if left open but the **** Greek national team can't round up more than a couple of guys who can hit the side of a **** barn.

never mind that, it is what it is, just enjoy Giannis.

man, how good are the boomers gonna be next time they get together? Ben, Thon, Patty :droop:

Oh I don't really care just felt like getting a rant on. Timing is a little off for the Boomers. Last Olympics was about peak for our role player superteam and the young studs are probably still 3-4 years off hitting stride. Exciting times though especially around 2020. Bolden looks like he's going to fit so well with Simmons and Thon.
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Post#48 » by Fotis St » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:15 pm

stellation wrote:Macedonia >


What do you mean ?
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Post#49 » by AussieBuck » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:18 pm

The other part of Cyprus >
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Post#50 » by Pachinko_ » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:22 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Oh I don't really care just felt like getting a rant on. Timing is a little off for the Boomers. Last Olympics was about peak for our role player superteam and the young studs are probably still 3-4 years off hitting stride. Exciting times though especially around 2020. Bolden looks like he's going to fit so well with Simmons and Thon.

And Exum is starting to get it together
They'll catch the tail end of prime Patty and the best of Delly, should be a really good squad in the 2019 World Cup
Baynes should still be good to rip someone's head off too
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Post#51 » by yannisk » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:52 pm

"prime Patty"?
"best of Delly"?
"young studs"?

I remember of few years back Great Britain were counting their nba players and expecting world domination
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Post#52 » by Pachinko_ » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:21 pm

yannisk wrote:"prime Patty"?
"best of Delly"?
"young studs"?

I remember of few years back Great Britain were counting their nba players and expecting world domination

Nothing wrong with that
It didn't work out, it happens.
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Re: The Greek National Team thread 

Post#53 » by yannisk » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:47 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:
yannisk wrote:"prime Patty"?
"best of Delly"?
"young studs"?

I remember of few years back Great Britain were counting their nba players and expecting world domination

Nothing wrong with that
It didn't work out, it happens.


Nothing wrong with dreaming I agree. But I have seen some comments on this thread about poor Giannis having to play for Greece. Not even having to some players from Melbourne local leagues or something. So I decided to bring a dose of reality. Australia is not some kind of basketball world power, it was never a basketball world power and till it becomes a basketball superpower it is better to stay humble.
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Post#54 » by imithanos » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:13 pm

yannisk wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:
yannisk wrote:"prime Patty"?
"best of Delly"?
"young studs"?

I remember of few years back Great Britain were counting their nba players and expecting world domination

Nothing wrong with that
It didn't work out, it happens.


Nothing wrong with dreaming I agree. But I have seen some comments on this thread about poor Giannis having to play for Greece. Not even having to some players from Melbourne local leagues or something. So I decided to bring a dose of reality. Australia is not some kind of basketball world power, it was never a basketball world power and till it becomes a basketball superpower it is better to stay humble.


When people talk about sexv(stories, experiencies, opinions etc) is all about how believable they seem, cause the others can't prove the opposite (and they don't care actually if it's funny). So it's how you "sell" it.

I think the Aussies are probably confused and think that talking about basketball is the same as talking about sex.

Just because you're always the champions of Oceania, it doesn't mean you're a world power or something. :D
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Re: The Greek National Team thread 

Post#55 » by stellation » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:17 pm

Kinda want to get involved in an argument, kinda can't really understand what's being said to be able to tell what to argue with.
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Post#56 » by AussieBuck » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:44 pm

yannisk wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:
yannisk wrote:"prime Patty"?
"best of Delly"?
"young studs"?

I remember of few years back Great Britain were counting their nba players and expecting world domination

Nothing wrong with that
It didn't work out, it happens.


Nothing wrong with dreaming I agree. But I have seen some comments on this thread about poor Giannis having to play for Greece. Not even having to some players from Melbourne local leagues or something. So I decided to bring a dose of reality. Australia is not some kind of basketball world power, it was never a basketball world power and till it becomes a basketball superpower it is better to stay humble.

Melbourne is full of Greeks mr sensitive about his national team. Plus yeah we've had better basketballers than Greece for a while now and that doesn't look like changing for a few years yet. We got robbed of a bronze against Spain at the last Olympics, can't remember how Greece went. 8-)
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Re: The Greek National Team thread 

Post#57 » by yannisk » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:57 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Plus yeah we've had better basketballers than Greece for a while now and that doesn't look like changing for a few years yet. We got robbed of a bronze against Spain at the last Olympics, can't remember how Greece went. 8-)


who Delly? Ingles? Exum? Unless Simmons ends up better than Giannis you have nothing. They must be robbing you of medals since 1788 because you have not won any, have you?.
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Post#59 » by Prez » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:05 pm

So which balding dudes on the roster should I be pissed at for dribbling too much or botching Giannis assists this summer?
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Post#60 » by Pachinko_ » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:10 pm

imithanos wrote:When people talk about sexv(stories, experiencies, opinions etc) is all about how believable they seem, cause the others can't prove the opposite (and they don't care actually if it's funny). So it's how you "sell" it.

so true LOL

stellation wrote:Kinda want to get involved in an argument, kinda can't really understand what's being said to be able to tell what to argue with.

In Greece people talk about sex a fair bit, it's an actual thing that happens if you know somebody for 5 minutes.
In Australia if you need to do the same you probably have to pay a shrink to listen.

This kind of wild digression is what happens to discussions when you start talking national teams, which is why I love them :D

For example how can you ever talk about the German National team without mentioning German cars, WWII and Angela Merkel

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