3rd Annual Fire Kidd Thread - Volume 2 (Horst Interview pg 14)

[paulpressey25]

Can we have an indepth article put up on http://saveourbucks.com/? Site needs some new content and considering the stagnant nature of the onfield product, it seems apt to invoke the site.

Working up to it. Damn hasn't broke yet with casual fans.

[ReginaldDwight]

I know Kidd developed the **** out of MCW.

and rashad vaughn, and damien inglis, and johnny obryant, and thon maker, and dj wilson. these guys are a hair away from multiple all star games because kidd developed them.

We can never have a serious discussion about Jason Kidd because there are people who literally refuse to say a single good thing about him. Take another look at the players you listed in order to argue against Kidd's player development ability. Vaughn, Maker, and Wilson have spent their entire careers on the Bucks. Are you going to tell me they would be good players on another team? Inglis, JOB, and MCW all left the Bucks and have done what exactly?

Giving him the credit for some guys like brogdon and jabari improving or whatever people are trying to say is asinine. I refuse to believe JKidd is the reason that our slightly above average players are slightly above average. Brogdon hasnt really improved his game at all, and people can say middleton improved but what that more a factor of his usage and comfort level in the league going up along with playing with a true number 1 star player that releases some pressure from him and a comfort level in being the league longer. Same thing for snell.

[Brewhoopfan]

I'll give Kidd plenty of credit for individual player development. Unfortunately, he has no ability to turn the team into a cohesive unit which is greater than the sum of it's parts. This is especially true on the defensive end. I honestly don't think he could win a title if you gave him the Warriors roster.

Worse still, he doesn't understand his own limitations and continues to try to get the team to execute schemes beyond his coaching abilities. The defensive scheme being Exhibit A. Kidd should be keeping it simple and just focusing on putting his players in the best position to succeed. Instead, he's trying to look innovative and smart and only the talent level, specifically Giannis, is keeping it from being a miserable failure.

I also question his intelligence. Why does he constantly make negative statements about his team which reflects poorly on himself. He comments on energy, effort, and 'moving the ball' as if he has no impact on those areas. Good coaches set the standards for consistency. Kidd just seems to hope for it. I'm afraid we're seeing the Bucks ceiling with Kidd at the helm and I'd be shocked if he was canned before the end of next season.

[Wisky4life]

Going to have to wait till the end of the season to see if he is gone.

[ReginaldDwight]

I'll give Kidd plenty of credit for individual player development.

Watch on YouTube

[blazza18]

The end of this season will dictate Kidd's future. Kidd won't be back next season if the Bucks don't pick it up once Jabari returns.

So you're saying Kidd's future will be decided by a player returning from an acl injury for the second time?

Jabari played 25 minutes a game his first two months of his first return. He scored 11 points a game. He didn't shoot any threes. And lets not mention the who we've been better with him off the floor thing. Jason Kidd might be screwed.

[Brewhoopfan]

I'll give Kidd plenty of credit for individual player development.

Watch on YouTube

He's the coach. Players have developed. There at least seems to be a culture there of players working hard to develop as individuals. Perhaps is gimicky, but Kidd also brings in some big names for tutelage. Everything, EVERYTHING, is a reflection of the head coach - the good, the bad, and the ugly.

[ReginaldDwight]

But who has developed outside Giannis? You cant sell me on Kidd helping Giannis more then he hurt him by psyching him outta shooting 3s in year 2

[emunney]

Given Kidd's contract, I don't think anything less than a total meltdown can get him fired before the end of next season.

[Jez2983]

Which happens first? Kidd fired or this thread goes another 100 pages?

The main reason we'll struggle with posts from here on is that the arguments as to why he should go have been elucidated in the previous thread and in various other places on the board.

Are you new? When has that stopped this board?

But for real, another 100 pages for sure. I don't have any confidence in him getting canned.

I'm just worried it'll take too long to get to 100 and therefore Kidd will be here too long. The fear is real.

[MikeIsGood]

Can we have an indepth article put up on http://saveourbucks.com/? Site needs some new content and considering the stagnant nature of the onfield product, it seems apt to invoke the site.

Working up to it. Damn hasn't broke yet with casual fans.

I think it's actually starting to, from some of those I've talked to. The Brogdon sitting all first half thing was eye opening to some, because he's a fan favorite.

[paulpressey25]

I think it's actually starting to, from some of those I've talked to. The Brogdon sitting all first half thing was eye opening to some, because he's a fan favorite.

I think the record needs to slide back to .500 or sub .500. The standard of excellence for the team set by the local media market here is about 44 wins. If it became clear we weren't going to meet that, they might start some reporting.

[ackypoo]

I know Kidd developed the **** out of MCW.

and rashad vaughn, and damien inglis, and johnny obryant, and thon maker, and dj wilson. these guys are a hair away from multiple all star games because kidd developed them.

We can never have a serious discussion about Jason Kidd because there are people who literally refuse to say a single good thing about him. Take another look at the players you listed in order to argue against Kidd's player development ability. Vaughn, Maker, and Wilson have spent their entire careers on the Bucks. Are you going to tell me they would be good players on another team? Inglis, JOB, and MCW all left the Bucks and have done what exactly?

we will never know whether or not kidd damaged the players that left or failed to develop the players that stayed and failed.

thats the point. you dont get to give him credit for being a good developer of talent when we have just as many failures as successes, hell, more failures. you dont get to say those players just simply had talent, and kidd developed talent in giannis.

you do not get to say that.

[paulpressey25]

we will never know whether or not kidd damaged the players that left or failed to develop the players that stayed and failed.

For me the biggest problem with Kidd is the impact on personnel decisions. I don't expect he or any coach for that matter to coach up Vaughn, Thon, DJ Wilson,etc. But I feel like Kidd had input into their selections in the first instance.

Think LED are going to be constant meddlers that will hold the team back, But Kidd has to go.

[MikeIsGood]

I think it's actually starting to, from some of those I've talked to. The Brogdon sitting all first half thing was eye opening to some, because he's a fan favorite.

I think the record needs to slide back to .500 or sub .500. The standard of excellence for the team set by the local media market here is about 44 wins. If it became clear we weren't going to meet that, they might start some reporting.

This is funny, sad, and true.

[Brewhoopfan]

But who has developed outside Giannis? You cant sell me on Kidd helping Giannis more then he hurt him by psyching him outta shooting 3s in year 2

Aside from Giannis:

I don't think anyone was disappointed in Jabari's development just prior to the 2nd knee injury. Henson is having his best season as a Buck. Middleton is having his best year offensively. Tony Snell has greatly improved since joining the Bucks. One could even argue Jet's towel waving is as vigorous as ever .

Everything, EVERYTHING, is a reflection of the head coach. There is no need to cherry pick the narrative. Keep it simple, because the totality of his contributions do not pass the smell test.

[ackypoo]

we will never know whether or not kidd damaged the players that left or failed to develop the players that stayed and failed.

For me the biggest problem with Kidd is the impact on personnel decisions. I don't expect he or any coach for that matter to coach up Vaughn, Thon, DJ Wilson,etc. But I feel like Kidd had input into their selections in the first instance.

Think LED are going to be constant meddlers that will hold the team back, But Kidd has to go.

yep. i dont take issue with his development of players. im just countering the "hes a good developer argument" because its absurd.

we know with a fair amount of certainty hes responsible for vaughn being picked, and i actually dont even dislike vaughn as a player. i dislike the way hes been handled. we are talking about a guy that played more minutes at 19yo in his rookie year, than any other year in his career. on top of that, we never provided him any consistent role in either the dleague/gleague, or in the nba.

i also believe that he finds some success elsewhere as a rotation guard.

[EastSideBucksFan]

Looks like I inadvertently kicked up some dust yesterday at 105.7 on the Fire Kidd campaign that I've done my best to stay out of. Just a tweet I posted about Bucks wasting MVP Giannis they decided to run with.

Not shocked these guys are defending Kidd to the death.

Thought it was kind of hilarious Sparky felt the need to ask Jason Terry all about the Fire Kidd crowd.

2pm Hour they kicked it right off with Kidd talk

http://www.1057fmthefan.com/media/audio-channel/2pm-are-bucks-wasting-giannis

Interview with Jason Terry who said if Kidd goes, he goes. So, if Kidd gets fired mid season at least we'll get a roster spot too.

http://www.1057fmthefan.com/media/audio-channel/jason-terry-if-kidd-gone-so-am-i

[Ron Swanson]

I think it's actually starting to, from some of those I've talked to. The Brogdon sitting all first half thing was eye opening to some, because he's a fan favorite.

I think the record needs to slide back to .500 or sub .500. The standard of excellence for the team set by the local media market here is about 44 wins. If it became clear we weren't going to meet that, they might start some reporting.

This is funny, sad, and true.

I would've believe this 5, hell, maybe even 2-3 years ago. But having a superstar changes everything, including media expectations. Once that first "Giannis is the future of the NBA, but why aren't the Bucks better?" article on ESPN drops, 44-wins ain't gonna cut it.

[Baddy Chuck]

Interview with Jason Terry who said if Kidd goes, he goes.