2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - News/Trades/Transactions - Bucks Fined $50K for Tampering LOL

[Bucksfan28]

I wish we could've seen WSH with both dudes in their primes and fully healthy. Beal was kinda injury prone early on and obviously now Wall. Not that either would be justified for a supermax but I think they could've flirted with contention.

[Frank Nova]

From the end of the other thread, just wanted to point out that if we traded for Beal, he'd no longer be eligible for the supermax.

Supermax was only put into place for teams to not lose their superstars without a fighters chance of resigning them way above market price right?

Sent from my SM-N950U using RealGM mobile app

[emunney]

From the end of the other thread, just wanted to point out that if we traded for Beal, he'd no longer be eligible for the supermax.

Supermax was only put into place for teams to not lose their superstars without a fighters chance of resigning them way above market price right?

Sent from my SM-N950U using RealGM mobile app

Yeah. You have to have had the player on his rookie deal (either drafted him or traded for him while he was still on his rookie deal) to offer it.

[raferfenix]

In theory the Bucks could have passed on Brogdon in part because we wanted to make a play for an upgrade like Beal when one becomes available.

However I'm not sure if Beal would ultimately be worth it vs just keeping Brogdon considering how much asset value we'd need to give up and then how much we'd need to pay to keep him (while risking that he leaves for nothing too).

Or what do we think? I don't mean to overrate Brogdon and underrate Beal.

On the flipside the most likely scenario is that the Bucks just didn't want to pay the luxury tax this year and are cool running with a SG rotation of vets on the minimum and young guys on rookie deals -- despite it being the season before Giannis decides whether to extend.

[raferfenix]

More on prospective Beal trade scenarios in this piece: The Summer of Star Movement Isn’t Over Until Bradley Beal Says It’s Over.

While Beal is “grateful for the gesture” of the Wizards offering him a max extension at their earliest opportunity, according to David Aldridge of The Athletic, and while “amiable discussions” between Bartelstein and a restructured Washington front office led by just-promoted general manager Tommy Sheppard will reportedly continue this week, that still leaves the nettlesome matter of the Wizards being very bad, even with Beal putting up historic numbers in an effort to carry them. (Only 12 guards in NBA history have averaged 25 points, five rebounds, and five assists per game for a full season. Beal became one of them last season.) Washington will carry a top-10 payroll for what is projected to be a bottom-five team this season, and the pain isn’t likely to end there.

After battling injury issues early in his career—issues that, at one point, had Beal expecting playing-time restrictions for the rest of his career—nobody has played more minutes than Beal over the last three seasons. How long will he want to keep shouldering that kind of burden for a team with such limited prospects? Time is on Beal’s side, but in an ever-accelerating league that has grown short on long-term goals, it’s also of the essence.

“Washington is where I’ve been the last seven years, going on eight,” Beal told reporters last month. “It would be great to play in one place forever. But at the same time, you want to win and make sure you’re in a position to do so.”

He’d make a ton of sense alongside Nikola Jokic in Denver, perhaps for a package including an established young player like Gary Harris, a lottery ticket like Michael Porter Jr., and a couple of future first-round picks. The Celtics reportedly viewed Beal as a target if they lost Kyrie Irving in free agency, but that was before they landed Walker; would Danny Ainge view Beal as enough of an upgrade on the status quo to offer up something like Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, and future first-rounders?

He might also, however, be the best option left on the board for a team that considers itself one big move away from making real noise in a post-Warriors-dynasty NBA. Is that combination of scarcity and opportunity compelling enough to convince a bidder to make the kind of multiple-picks-and-young-pieces offer it’d likely take to get the Wizards to change their minds about standing pat on Beal? Or will teams that think they could get Beal prefer to keep their powder dry and wait the Wizards out, knowing that every day he doesn’t sign that extension or otherwise commit to a long-term future in D.C., he gets one day closer to free agency, and his price tag drops a little bit more?

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/7/29/8938000/bradley-beal-nba-washington-wizards-trade

[jute2003]

Beal isn't even remotely worth the super-max anyways so it seems like a moot point. Would be hilarious to see the Wizards lock up 70% of their cap room in two fringe All-Star caliber guys in Wall and Beal though.

Though I agree that Beal isn't worth the supermax, it's more because there are only a few players imo that are. He is a legit All star.

[LuessiT]

Beal isn't even remotely worth the super-max anyways so it seems like a moot point. Would be hilarious to see the Wizards lock up 70% of their cap room in two fringe All-Star caliber guys in Wall and Beal though.

Though I agree that Beal isn't worth the supermax, it's more because there are only a few players imo that are. He is a legit All star.

The problem lies within the utilization of the word 'worth'. The question is would you rather have Beal on a supermax or no Beal at all. If the answer is the former, then Beal is clearly worth the supermax. And I think every team in the league would chose the former.

[jute2003]

Beal isn't even remotely worth the super-max anyways so it seems like a moot point. Would be hilarious to see the Wizards lock up 70% of their cap room in two fringe All-Star caliber guys in Wall and Beal though.

Though I agree that Beal isn't worth the supermax, it's more because there are only a few players imo that are. He is a legit All star.

The problem lies within the utilization of the word 'worth'. The question is would you rather have Beal on a supermax or no Beal at all. If the answer is the former, then Beal is clearly worth the supermax. And I think every team in the league would chose the former.

I'm not so sure. A team that already has one player on a supermax is going to have to think about it. That is a lot of money wrapped up on two players. It is one thing if it is two top 5 players. It is completely different if it is two top 20 or worse players. I think Beal is very much a worthy Allstar but he isnt carrying a team anywhere. 70% of your cap wrapped up in two players who dont automatically make you a contender is bad business.

[Chuck Diesel]

Imagine Vlade and the Belgrade/Sacramento Kings will elect to pay Bogdanovic over Buddy Hield if a choice is necessary. Buddy would be really interesting in Milwaukee. Would likely have to involve third team to take Bledsoe and have something worthwhile for the Kings. Would also need to be predicted on a commitment from Hield to re up this summer.

[LuessiT]

Though I agree that Beal isn't worth the supermax, it's more because there are only a few players imo that are. He is a legit All star.

The problem lies within the utilization of the word 'worth'. The question is would you rather have Beal on a supermax or no Beal at all. If the answer is the former, then Beal is clearly worth the supermax. And I think every team in the league would chose the former.

I'm not so sure. A team that already has one player on a supermax is going to have to think about it. That is a lot of money wrapped up on two players. It is one thing if it is two top 5 players. It is completely different if it is two top 20 or worse players. I think Beal is very much a worthy Allstar but he isnt carrying a team anywhere. 70% of your cap wrapped up in two players who dont automatically make you a contender is bad business.

The problem isn't the money wrapped up in two players, the problem is having injured John Wall on a supermax. The only way to salvage this is to get John Wall off the roster. This got nothing to do with Beal. Also Beal isn't a top 20 or worse player - he's nearing top 10 (if he isn't already).

[Ruzious]

I'd look at San Antonio for a trade sometime during the season. At some point - and I think they know it already, they're going to throw in the towel and realize it's time to rebuild. Aldridge is 34, Gay will start the season at 33, Carroll wil be 34, Derozan will be 30. I like their draft - and they've got a bunch of young players with potential, but they aren't winning anything anytime soon. It's going to be hard to match up salaries to make a trade for Gay - maybe things will change. Carroll might be an alternative. Maybe they buy out Belinelli - though he might not have enough left to help us.

[Chuck Diesel]

Would like to point out that after years of tremendous scorn and ridicule for my unwavering belief in Ish Smith as a capable rotation player, he will have earned $33 million over eight seasons (once his freshly signed deal is up) after 16 games and a summer league with the Bucks back in 2013. Elite foresight & talent evaluation. #IStandWithIsh

[DrWood]

Imagine Vlade and the Belgrade/Sacramento Kings will elect to pay Bogdanovic over Buddy Hield if a choice is necessary. Buddy would be really interesting in Milwaukee. Would likely have to involve third team to take Bledsoe and have something worthwhile for the Kings. Would also need to be predicted on a commitment from Hield to re up this summer.

I really wanted them to acquire Hield before last year (when his value increased). Sac. wanted a SF early in the year, and I would have sent them Midds.

[jute2003]

The problem lies within the utilization of the word 'worth'. The question is would you rather have Beal on a supermax or no Beal at all. If the answer is the former, then Beal is clearly worth the supermax. And I think every team in the league would chose the former.

I'm not so sure. A team that already has one player on a supermax is going to have to think about it. That is a lot of money wrapped up on two players. It is one thing if it is two top 5 players. It is completely different if it is two top 20 or worse players. I think Beal is very much a worthy Allstar but he isnt carrying a team anywhere. 70% of your cap wrapped up in two players who dont automatically make you a contender is bad business.

The problem isn't the money wrapped up in two players, the problem is having injured John Wall on a supermax. The only way to salvage this is to get John Wall off the roster. This got nothing to do with Beal. Also Beal isn't a top 20 or worse player - he's nearing top 10 (if he isn't already).

Top 12, top 14, top 20....it doesn't matter. He isn't good enough like a Lebron or even our very own Giannis to make a team good by himself. Even with a healthy Wall, they weren't good enough to truly compete and that was before a Beal supermax. There are teams that would sign two similar caliber players to those massive numbers. I don't think its unreasonable to say that there are plenty of teams that wouldn't however.

[chonestown]

Would like to point out that after years of tremendous scorn and ridicule for my unwavering belief in Ish Smith as a capable rotation player, he will have earned $33 million over eight seasons (once his freshly signed deal is up) after 16 games and a summer league with the Bucks back in 2013. Elite foresight & talent evaluation. #IStandWithIsh

Chuck isn't adverse to hyping domestic products. Keep stuntin' on'em, son!

[DrWood]

The problem lies within the utilization of the word 'worth'. The question is would you rather have Beal on a supermax or no Beal at all. If the answer is the former, then Beal is clearly worth the supermax. And I think every team in the league would chose the former.

I'm not so sure. A team that already has one player on a supermax is going to have to think about it. That is a lot of money wrapped up on two players. It is one thing if it is two top 5 players. It is completely different if it is two top 20 or worse players. I think Beal is very much a worthy Allstar but he isnt carrying a team anywhere. 70% of your cap wrapped up in two players who dont automatically make you a contender is bad business.

The problem isn't the money wrapped up in two players, the problem is having injured John Wall on a supermax. The only way to salvage this is to get John Wall off the roster. This got nothing to do with Beal. Also Beal isn't a top 20 or worse player - he's nearing top 10 (if he isn't already).

That's absurd. Beal doesn't play defense. The only thing he's top 20 in is minutes played. You've crowned him the most over-rated player on the Bucks realgm board.

[Bucksfan28]

Anywhere in the top 16-25 range seems about right for Beal.

[BroncoBuck]

Imagine Vlade and the Belgrade/Sacramento Kings will elect to pay Bogdanovic over Buddy Hield if a choice is necessary. Buddy would be really interesting in Milwaukee. Would likely have to involve third team to take Bledsoe and have something worthwhile for the Kings. Would also need to be predicted on a commitment from Hield to re up this summer.

I really wanted them to acquire Hield before last year (when his value increased). Sac. wanted a SF early in the year, and I would have sent them Midds.

Buddy being only one year younger than Midds really dampens his value. I think Midds is the far better overall player, but Buddy is definitely the better shooter.

[skones]

Imagine Vlade and the Belgrade/Sacramento Kings will elect to pay Bogdanovic over Buddy Hield if a choice is necessary. Buddy would be really interesting in Milwaukee. Would likely have to involve third team to take Bledsoe and have something worthwhile for the Kings. Would also need to be predicted on a commitment from Hield to re up this summer.

I really wanted them to acquire Hield before last year (when his value increased). Sac. wanted a SF early in the year, and I would have sent them Midds.

Buddy being only one year younger than Midds really dampens his value. I think Midds is the far better overall player, but Buddy is definitely the better shooter.

This is wild for me to think about. In my head I know he was really old for a rookie but his age was like frozen in time at like 24 or 25. With that being said, I'm not sure it should REALLY dampen his value given the mammoth leap he took in overall sustained volume along with an increase in efficiency during his age 26 season. It's the age in NBA year's thing. He may have a little more burst left.

[PANDEMONEUM]

Robert Covington 29y - Twolves
$11,301,219 $12,138,345 $12,975,471

how much would he cost from the Bucks?
Ersan 7$ + S.Brown 2$ + Indianas 2020 1st

*
how about these guys?

CJ Miles 32y - Grizzlies
$8,730,158

Jae Crowder 29y - Grizzlies
$7,815,533

Trevor Ariza 34y - Kings
$12,200,000

Bogdan Bogdanovic 27y - Kings
$8,529,386

i just feel like we should get a starting SG,
and solidify the starters.
then whoever remains gets mins as available.
if we really are going for IT,
then im ok moving youngs and future picks.
my order from these guys would be Cov, Jae, Bogdan, Ariza, Miles.