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Post#41 » by Chad34 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:19 am

GoldenAntlers wrote:I don't see it with Prince. Trent...not a lot going on there. Wright who? What rookies? Young guys? Never heard of 'em.

I think they would be fine a little down the chart. I thought Trent played better tonight, but wright has been the worat
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Post#42 » by ShootingtheJ » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:21 am

yb90 wrote:How did last year offense generate so many 3s to start the season under Griffin? Why is Giannis waiting on Lillard so much out top instead of swinging the ball to the other side? The offense needs a major overall haul. Giannis is a major part of the problem. He needs to go into each game passing first. He can get his points anytime without being set up but Trent and Prince need shots.


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Post#43 » by GoldenAntlers » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:22 am

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GoldenAntlers wrote:I don't see it with Prince. Trent...not a lot going on there. Wright who? What rookies? Young guys? Never heard of 'em.

I think they would be fine a little down the chart. I thought Trent played better tonight, but wright has been the worat
One slot down the chart? I'm not sure if Middleton is enough to lock the entire team into place, but it's possible.
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Post#44 » by ShootingtheJ » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:23 am

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GoldenAntlers wrote:I don't see it with Prince. Trent...not a lot going on there. Wright who? What rookies? Young guys? Never heard of 'em.

I think they would be fine a little down the chart. I thought Trent played better tonight, but wright has been the worat


Wright has barely played. Prince has been completely cooked in half the games. He's always been an awful player.
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Post#45 » by Ruben Quevedo » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:26 am

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Post#46 » by Lippo » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:26 am

At least we still have our 2031 1st.
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Post#47 » by paulpressey25 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:27 am

Ron Swanson wrote:We all got a huge reminder tonight of why Bobby was essentially benched in the 2022 playoff series, and why Doc actually has a deserved moniker (unlike a previous coach) of being an inflexible coach who "doesn't make adjustments".

I'd feel better about this effort if we didn't just lose to the Bulls and Nets. Sad.


I like the Doc critiques obviously.

On the Bobby thing, I just can’t go there. The guy has been a massive bargain on the contracts he had. He’s an great instant offense guy off the bench, who can be a minutes eater if there is an injury. He’s worth every penny we pay him. As you said, it’s just up to the coach to find the right spots for him, and for the GM to acquire an athletic defensive big who we can situationally sub-in.
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Post#48 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:27 am

One problem I'm seeing (W)right away is Delon Wright is not a point guard, on either end. I think he's a fine piece but especially with Khris out once Dame is off the court we have nobody who can run the offense. Through four -21.7 with him on the court, offense at 100 ortg.
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Post#49 » by JayMKE » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:27 am

Prince gets burned on perimeter by almost everyone guys go right around him, don't really see much use for a guy like that is.

Trent and Wright haven't much of an impression.

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Post#50 » by paulpressey25 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:30 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:One problem I'm seeing (W)right away is Delon Wright is not a point guard, on either end. I think he's a fine piece but especially with Khris out once Dame is off the court we have nobody who can run the offense. Through four -21.7 with him on the court, offense at 100 ortg.


Wright is 32 years old and has played for 8 teams in the last six years. That ain’t moving the needle for anyone.
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Post#51 » by mattg » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:30 am

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blazza18 wrote:I hope I'm wrong but this team feels like it's on the very edge of being done. No quick fixes, no young players coming up to spark something and what might be most critical at this very moment is the best player's playing style isn't helping things or bailing us out.


This is where I’m at. We are who we are at this point. Lillard and the coaching changes were the big move left in the tank and its not working. We’re stuck riding it out or have to decide if its time to cash out on Lillard.


After tonight’s game, we might be able to get 75 cents on the dollar we paid. We need to make some calls and get creative.

The creative move is to trade Giannis for an absolute monster return of prospects, picks, and win now pieces that lets you rebuild on the fly before he either gets hurt, or everyone else figures out that Giannis is not who Giannis used to be. 2022-present Giannis is "eff you I'm gonna get mine", a tunnel visioning, uber efficient volume scorer who plays with no regard for situation and is mediocre on defense. This forum would have lambasted players like him for being considered MVP caliber. And they'd have been right.

How the eff are you supposed to build a contender around current Giannis with what he does and does not do? What's the dream lineup that works under the salary cap if you could drop any 5 guys into a lineup?
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Post#52 » by Chad34 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:31 am

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GoldenAntlers wrote:I don't see it with Prince. Trent...not a lot going on there. Wright who? What rookies? Young guys? Never heard of 'em.

I think they would be fine a little down the chart. I thought Trent played better tonight, but wright has been the worat


Wright has barely played. Prince has been completely cooked in half the games. He's always been an awful player.

One thing thats jumped out about him to me, is I don’t want him making decisions with the ball. It’s a disaster almost every time. He just needs to play D and hit the three
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Post#53 » by blazza18 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:33 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:One problem I'm seeing (W)right away is Delon Wright is not a point guard, on either end. I think he's a fine piece but especially with Khris out once Dame is off the court we have nobody who can run the offense. Through four -21.7 with him on the court, offense at 100 ortg.


I think he's got a pretty tough gig atm adjusting to how Giannis wants to do things. Think he'd be better if we let him handle the ball more instead of standing in a corner.
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Post#54 » by steger_3434 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:34 am

Khris has made $778,000 per game played the past two years and it keeps rising. Thats more than the majority of superstars let alone guys who are “3rd” stars on their team. That’s a problem when you play in a league with a salary cap and penalties for going over it.


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Post#55 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:35 am

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Baddy Chuck wrote:One problem I'm seeing (W)right away is Delon Wright is not a point guard, on either end. I think he's a fine piece but especially with Khris out once Dame is off the court we have nobody who can run the offense. Through four -21.7 with him on the court, offense at 100 ortg.


Wright is 32 years old and has played for 8 teams in the last six years. That ain’t moving the needle for anyone.

There's plenty of 30 year old journey men who make impacts in spots, I'm saying I don't think Delon at backup point guard is utilizing any of his skills. He's currently the point guard in Giannis/Bobby/Pat lineups, pretty trash roll out to begin with that is exacerbated by not having a point guard to settle things down when they get too idiot Bobby/Giannis heavy.
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Post#56 » by paulpressey25 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:37 am

steger_3434 wrote:Khris has made $778,000 per game played the past two years and it keeps rising. Thats more than the majority of superstars let alone guys who are “3rd” stars on their team. That’s a problem when you play in a league with a salary cap and penalties for going over it.


The contract Khris has isn’t stopping us from anything. It was a very fair deal when signed. The problem is we got nostalgic (and maybe bound by Giannis) from dealing him two years ago.
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Post#57 » by Jez2983 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:37 am

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Post#58 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:40 am

Positive note, I've been pretty happy with Dame this season so far?
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Post#59 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:41 am

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Post#60 » by steger_3434 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:42 am

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steger_3434 wrote:Khris has made $778,000 per game played the past two years and it keeps rising. Thats more than the majority of superstars let alone guys who are “3rd” stars on their team. That’s a problem when you play in a league with a salary cap and penalties for going over it.


The contract Khris has isn’t stopping us from anything. It was a very fair deal when signed. The problem is we got nostalgic (and maybe bound by Giannis) from dealing him two years ago.

Gianni’s has made 639,000 per game played over the same period of time. Khris being unavailable is a major problem no matter how friendly his deal was. He makes damn near $150,000 more than Gianni’s per game actually played the past 2 plus years


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