PG Raptors - East Group B 1-0

Dick Tate · Post #41 » by **Dick Tate** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:45 am

The win was good. The Raptors are bad.

Plossum · Post #42 » by **Plossum** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:49 am

Warriors vs Mavs game shows how far off the pace we are this season.

Dick Tate · Post #43 » by **Dick Tate** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:50 am

drone3 wrote:I'm only looking at the block and steals column. Nothing else exists

It was good to see Wright with a pulse.

ajb905 · Post #44 » by **ajb905** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:53 am

Delon didn't look comfortable shooting but he made a lot of winning plays on offense and defense. Hope he can get it going and be a sustained presence. Need that BBIQ and D off the bench

chonestown · Post #45 » by **chonestown** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 6:18 am

ajb905 wrote:Need that...D off the bench

On a school night?

drone3 · Post #46 » by **drone3** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 6:49 am

Plossum wrote:Warriors vs Mavs game shows how far off the pace we are this season.

Was thinking exactly the same thing. We are barely an NBA team.

The amount of actions and movement for both teams was other worldly compared to our no brains iso blah

tsamo · Post #47 » by **tsamo** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:06 am

So apparently, according to Raptors' fans at least, Gradey Dick never hunted for contact, all his fouls were legit and we did not play good defense on him(not even once) that's why he shot 16 fts. That's why he spent half the game on the floor.

I really hope we don't sniff our own farts that much in here about our own role players.

-Jragon- · Post #48 » by **-Jragon-** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:43 am

drone3 wrote:
Plossum wrote:Warriors vs Mavs game shows how far off the pace we are this season.
Was thinking exactly the same thing. We are barely an NBA team.

The amount of actions and movement for both teams was other worldly compared to our no brains iso blah

Yeah... coaching too.. When I was annoyed Doc said nothing on media day, I was assured by my fellow brothers in here that after a full training camp and preseason that it would be clear what our strategy and Doc's system is.... Almost half of November is gone and I still don't see it, hear about it or know. There are more good ideas in here than anything I see Doc do.

Also, if we had a real coach he would tell a guy 0-3 or 1-4 on 3s to drive, pass or sit down for awhile (unless you're Dame or Khris)... how do we let the 3 stooges go 4-22 every game from 3.. it's confusing

We don't have real coaching.. I really think we're mostly still confused, players too, on where to go on offense and defense STILL.. are we hoping it clicks by April again?

mediocrityrules · Post #49 » by **mediocrityrules** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:13 am

ReginaldDwight wrote:
BigO wrote:1) The Bucks have never used Lopez on offense the right way, but this is getting ridiculous. Post him up when Giannis is on the bench. He's useless beyond the three. Why can't they see that? He's actually decent as a post up player.

3) The Bucks refuse to post Giannis down low. They let him create at the top of the key or post him up 20 feet from the basket. Post him down low and let them double him and create from there. Another obvious move.

Umm, those guys clearly don't want to be banging in the post.

At least twice Giannis was sitting in the corner 3 spot while the play was unfolding (and not moving). If ever there's a place he shouldn't be it's there.

-Jragon- · Post #50 » by **-Jragon-** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:30 am

Even on 3 v 1 fast breaks we look bad .. that's not coaching?

-Jragon- · Post #51 » by **-Jragon-** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:36 am

Our 3v1 fast breaks look like 1v1 fast breaks with extra people running right in front of each other.. even on the playground some MFers know how to space away from other players, get their own line to the hoop, find an angle where the passer can hit you, don't get too far in front of the dribbler -- fundamentals... I don't know if our coaches know more than the players... and that's saying a lot

JEIS · Post #52 » by **JEIS** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:19 am

-Jragon- wrote:
drone3 wrote:
Plossum wrote:Warriors vs Mavs game shows how far off the pace we are this season.
Was thinking exactly the same thing. We are barely an NBA team.

The amount of actions and movement for both teams was other worldly compared to our no brains iso blah

Yeah... coaching too.. When I was annoyed Doc said nothing on media day, I was assured by my fellow brothers in here that after a full training camp and preseason that it would be clear what our strategy and Doc's system is.... Almost half of November is gone and I still don't see it, hear about it or know. There are more good ideas in here than anything I see Doc do.

Also, if we had a real coach he would tell a guy 0-3 or 1-4 on 3s to drive, pass or sit down for awhile (unless you're Dame or Khris)... how do we let the 3 stooges go 4-22 every game from 3.. it's confusing

We don't have real coaching.. I really think we're mostly still confused, players too, on where to go on offense and defense STILL.. are we hoping it clicks by April again?

It seems like our game plan is to let the open guy shoot. This results in Pat C., Bobby, Trent & co. taking a lot of shots.

This puts the pressure back on Dame and Giannis to take bad shots to claw back into games, but they miss as well.

We basically take what the defense gives, which makes sense, but then we are relying on our not so good players to win and keep us in games, so... we are playing into other teams traps.

We are also currently a$$ on defense. It is a copy cat league. So a lot of these young teams are copying what works for teams like Boston, so we struggle against them too.

They are taking a Giannis 1 for 2 or 0 for 2 from the free throw line all day, while jacking up high % 3's the whole game. Then come playoff time, teams will bit%# about how unfair the Giannis whistle was in the regular season, the refs will let the teams play more, Giannis will get the ball stolen or miss bunnies he normally gets calls on.

If we can't set a screen, it will be difficult to run set offensive plays. We have been running give Giannis the ball, let him run down hill for a dunk or lay up for 8+ years. Defenses in the NBA can shut down our slow half court team that doesn't set quality screens.

From watching summer league, Tyler Smith seems not afraid to set a screen and was semi- successful.

There seems to be a lot of learning on the job happening right now. Hopefully, things start to click and players get comfortable.

I don't mind them using the regular season to set up stuff for the post season as long as Dame and Giannis buy in and don't ask for a trade. The losses are frustrating, but if they can unlock some useful set plays, I think we all would be happy.

Bud did a better job of hiding individual players weaknesses. It seems like Doc and even Griff, were more so implimenting their systems and making players try to adjust to the system.

jschligs · Post #53 » by **jschligs** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:08 pm

Got to sit Loft seats for free last night. All you can eat and drink. It was awesome and the win was the cherry on top.

Stadium was so empty it was a bit sad. Fandom really falls off when we’re not playing well

chonestown · Post #54 » by **chonestown** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:11 pm

When the Kansas swingman inexplicably has his minutes cut, something that Toronto fans can implore towards the coaching staff is a demand for mo' G. Dick feel free to use no big deal

DanoMac · Post #55 » by **DanoMac** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:50 pm

I swear there's not a more frustrating shot right now than watching Brook chuck up a 3. Dude's 26% on the season.

jschligs · Post #56 » by **jschligs** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:51 pm

DanoMac wrote:I swear there's not a more frustrating shot right now than watching Brook chuck up a 3. Dude's 26% on the season.

Bobby is 24% from deep with 3.5 attempts. But Brook is over 5 attempts. Both are just trash this year.

BUCKnation · Post #57 » by **BUCKnation** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:23 pm

Bucks were pretty terrible in games without Dame last year. I'll take any win, especially one where the defense was so good. Raps are bad, but they haven't really been a bad offensive team this year.

BUCKnation · Post #58 » by **BUCKnation** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:31 pm

jschligs wrote:
DanoMac wrote:I swear there's not a more frustrating shot right now than watching Brook chuck up a 3. Dude's 26% on the season.

Bobby is 24% from deep with 3.5 attempts. But Brook is over 5 attempts. Both are just trash this year.

For historically decent/good 3 pt shooters, its crazy how guys like Bobby, Brook, Pat, GTJ and Wright are all below 28%. That is 5 should be rotation guys all 8-10% below they recent avg's and the latter 2 have fallen out of the rotation b/c of it. Hard to predict that kind of thing going into the season.

Milbucks96 · Post #59 » by **Milbucks96** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:35 pm

BUCKnation wrote:
jschligs wrote:
DanoMac wrote:I swear there's not a more frustrating shot right now than watching Brook chuck up a 3. Dude's 26% on the season.

Bobby is 24% from deep with 3.5 attempts. But Brook is over 5 attempts. Both are just trash this year.

For historically decent/good 3 pt shooters, its crazy how guys like Bobby, Brook, Pat, GTJ and Wright are all below 28%. That is 5 should be rotation guys all 8-10% below they recent avg's and the latter 2 have fallen out of the rotation b/c of it. Hard to predict that kind of thing going into the season.

It’s really the thing that’s killing the offense. Defense is still a huge problem but we are missing open shots at a crazy rate.

BUCKnation · Post #60 » by **BUCKnation** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:45 pm

Milbucks96 wrote:
BUCKnation wrote:
jschligs wrote:
Bobby is 24% from deep with 3.5 attempts. But Brook is over 5 attempts. Both are just trash this year.

For historically decent/good 3 pt shooters, its crazy how guys like Bobby, Brook, Pat, GTJ and Wright are all below 28%. That is 5 should be rotation guys all 8-10% below they recent avg's and the latter 2 have fallen out of the rotation b/c of it. Hard to predict that kind of thing going into the season.

It’s really the thing that’s killing the offense. Defense is still a huge problem but we are missing open shots at a crazy rate.

It's obviously not this simple, but even 2-3 more 3's made per game out this group would change a lot.