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Post#41 » by RiotPunch » Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:20 pm

pifhluk23 wrote:Who is losing 25-35 minutes when Middleton comes back? The rotations right now are really good, Doc is playing the guys who play well instead of being pigeon holed into rotations (Bud) and he's staggering Dame/Giannis so they each have enough time on the court without the other.

Doc has been pretty solid with rotations lately. I would say Bobby and Prince lose the most minutes with Khris back.
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Post#42 » by Balls2TheWalls » Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:34 pm

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pifhluk23 wrote:Who is losing 25-35 minutes when Middleton comes back? The rotations right now are really good, Doc is playing the guys who play well instead of being pigeon holed into rotations (Bud) and he's staggering Dame/Giannis so they each have enough time on the court without the other.

Doc has been pretty solid with rotations lately. I would say Bobby and Prince lose the most minutes with Khris back.


Agree on the rotations. I will say that one thing that Bud did that I give him a lot of credit for was give Bobby an incredibly quick hook if he felt like it was a bad Bobby night. It could be that we are just not in a place to play other bigs.
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Post#43 » by raferfenix » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:16 pm

Whatever we do I hope Green and Ajax don’t get their clock cut.

Team started to turn it around when they got going.

Worth the developmental minutes.
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Post#44 » by JayMKE » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:20 pm

I imagine Khris will be on a minutes restriction when he does come back as he has been in previous seasons.
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Post#45 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:07 pm

JayMKE wrote:I imagine Khris will be on a minutes restriction when he does come back as he has been in previous seasons.



That does make sense, but part of Khris sitting out longer is to get more time to condition for his return than he's had in the past.

I would hope with Khris on the floor we blow teams out and finish games with the youngsters.
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Post#46 » by MickeyDavis » Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:33 pm

Figuring out the rotation when Khris comes back is a good "problem" to have. He'll definitely come off the bench initially but I'm anxious to see Giannis/Dame/Khris lineups. If I'm forced to cut minutes between Green and AJJ I'd cut AJJ.
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Post#47 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:37 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Figuring out the rotation when Khris comes back is a good "problem" to have. He'll definitely come off the bench initially but I'm anxious to see Giannis/Dame/Khris lineups. If I'm forced to cut minutes between Green and AJJ I'd cut AJJ.


Prince should be on this discussion too. His inability to defend off the dribble is killer versus good teams. Also, his inevitable 3 point regression will be painful, unless he's developed into Kyle Korver over 1 offseason.
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Post#48 » by drew881 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:40 pm

Maybe some small lineups and minimize wear on Brook.
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Post#49 » by drdrG » Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:47 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Figuring out the rotation when Khris comes back is a good "problem" to have. He'll definitely come off the bench initially but I'm anxious to see Giannis/Dame/Khris lineups. If I'm forced to cut minutes between Green and AJJ I'd cut AJJ.


I think Green has earned Pat's spot and is here to stay. I do think AJJ is a good fit for non-Giannis, Khris+Dame minutes. Those two are prone to low energy, show an inability to grab loose balls and fail to rotate out to shooters, all things AJJ can make up for. Plus his spacing concerns aren't nearly as problematic when Giannis isn't on the floor
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Post#50 » by raferfenix » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:11 pm

Disagree about Ajax being the odd man out.

This team desperately needs all the athleticism, defense, and hustle plays we can get.

Bucks absolutely should invest developmental minutes to make it happen during the doldrums of the regular season.

Cut the cord and trade Bobby to open up clock if we have to. Prince is way more of a 4 and Khris handles small ball PF just fine too.
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Post#51 » by raferfenix » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:24 pm

Bucks have been linked to De’Andre Hunter before.

He’s not in Atlanta’s long term plans but they aren’t tanking. Not sure what a deal would look like just noting:

Hunter is averaging a career-high 20.5 points per game to go with 4.5 rebounds and 1.5 assists while shooting 47.8% from beyond the arc, which is also a career-best mark.

It has come in just four games but has also looked very sustainable.

Part of it has come due to a refinement in Hunter’s shot diet. His is shooting a smaller percentage of his looks from 10’ to just short of three-point range than he has since his rookie season.


Hunter is in Year 2 of a four-year, $90 million contract. But the Hawks drafted Zaccharie Risacher with the No. 1 overall pick of the 2024 NBA Draft.


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Post#52 » by theFireBlanket » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:29 pm

raferfenix wrote:Whatever we do I hope Green and Ajax don’t get their clock cut.

Team started to turn it around when they got going.

Worth the developmental minutes.


Delon is playing less than either, no? I'm betting he's the cut.
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Post#53 » by Ron Swanson » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:33 pm

“It has come in just 4-games but has also looked very sustainable” is a completely nonsensical phrase lol. Hunter is a guy I’ve always thought could be a good buy low option, but Middleton’s really the only trade chip that works.
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Post#54 » by German Athens » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:33 pm

Assuming we don’t have the assets for

Eason
Herb
Camara

And we don’t feel good about the cancer of

Grant Williams

Who are players between those two groups?


I think Grant could possibly help us, but I don’t like him, and I don’t think our players do either. If you’re worse than Grant, you won’t be able to help us - that’s where we’ve been with the Marvin Williams and Jae crowder acquisitions.
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Post#55 » by randy84 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:53 pm

German Athens wrote:Assuming we don’t have the assets for

Eason
Herb
Camara

And we don’t feel good about the cancer of

Grant Williams

Who are players between those two groups?


I think Grant could possibly help us, but I don’t like him, and I don’t think our players do either. If you’re worse than Grant, you won’t be able to help us - that’s where we’ve been with the Marvin Williams and Jae crowder acquisitions.


Depends what you are willing to give up. Brook for Eason, Landale, and Sheppard works. Herb is almost impossible to get unless you can get a third team involved. Camara could be had for a number of our cheap contracts if Blazers would want them.
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Post#56 » by German Athens » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:58 pm

These aren’t all same type of guys, but the start of a list of guys that may answer my question above:

Dean Wade
Josh Hart
Naji Marshall
Derrick Jones jr
Jonathan Mogbo
De’Andre Hunter
PJ Washington
Nic Batum
Royce O’Neal
Dorian Finney-Smith
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Post#57 » by German Athens » Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:08 pm

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German Athens wrote:Assuming we don’t have the assets for

Eason
Herb
Camara

And we don’t feel good about the cancer of

Grant Williams

Who are players between those two groups?


I think Grant could possibly help us, but I don’t like him, and I don’t think our players do either. If you’re worse than Grant, you won’t be able to help us - that’s where we’ve been with the Marvin Williams and Jae crowder acquisitions.


Depends what you are willing to give up. Brook for Eason, Landale, and Sheppard works. Herb is almost impossible to get unless you can get a third team involved. Camara could be had for a number of our cheap contracts if Blazers would want them.


Brook isn’t netting you Eason. Eason has exploded this year, and his value would be absurdly high on the open market.

Camara would likely cost more than 1 first to get Portland to bite, and at that point, it’s a really risky trade for the team acquiring him.

Herb is interesting, because I think his value is less than OG’s, who was acquired for Quickly and Barrett, but I still firmly think that’s north of 1 first.

I think one thing not often discussed is what the value of that 31 first actually is. People often just state how many firsts a player is worth without considering the quality of that pick at all. A lottery pick is more valuable than two picks in the mid- twenties, for instance.
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Post#58 » by Matches Malone » Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:11 pm

raferfenix wrote:Whatever we do I hope Green and Ajax don’t get their clock cut.

Team started to turn it around when they got going.

Worth the developmental minutes.


Was thinking the same. Especially Ajax. His offense is an issue, but the defense is otherworldly right now. Him taking on the tough guards has helped so much.

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Post#59 » by BuckFan25226 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:22 pm

Middleton is the difference from blowing these big leads to maintaining them.


Wright's minutes will be cut for sure. But you don't need to cut into AJG, GJT,and AJJ's minutes much, if at all. You actually cut into BP, BroLo, Dame and Giannis' minutes. I'm not crazy about Dame and Giannis hovering around mid to high 30'smpg all year.
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Post#60 » by Bernman » Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:41 pm

Subs for defense when you're protecting a sizable lead would make logical sense. So naturally Doc doesn't do it. He doesn't exactly have his finger on a pulse in a game. And I don't know what all the experienced assistants are for if they don't get his attention.

When Middleton returns, our only substantial concerns are Doc's match-up decisions which could really hurt you in a playoff series, & Bobby/a lack of athletic big besides Giannis; probably in that order.

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