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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#41 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Dec 1, 2024 3:04 pm

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yb90 wrote:If Andre could hurry up and transform into the more athletic and taller version of Josh Hart the Bucks would be one step closer to a great starting 5. Lol.




Would much rather start green over ajax he absolutely sucks could find someone in the stands who shoots better than him


Maybe, but there's only a handful of guys in the NBA that can defend like him. He has an elite skill that this team desperately needs. He needs to continue to build a a shooter, but his 35% from 3 is a good starting point.

Good to see you finally come around on Dairy Bird, especially since GTJ has gone back in the tank.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#42 » by rilamann » Sun Dec 1, 2024 3:15 pm

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rilamann wrote:I have to say it just for old times sake.

What does Grayson Allen give you that AJ Green can't.

Glad someone (Doc) finally listened to me.

:D


Grayson was/is a far better athlete and could do more with the ball, but both guys are absolute snipers. Keep feeding Green.


If the topic of debate was More athletic doesn't always necessarily mean better player in basketball.

I would actually use Grayson Allen vs AJ Green as a textbook example.

I agree Grayson is more athletic than Green. But if I am picking a squad for a game 7, I am taking AJ Green over Grayson Allen 100 times out of 100.

Grayson Allen will get hunted relentlessly and mercilessly on the defensive end. I would also have significantly more trust in AJ hitting the big shots in crunch time than I would Grayson Allen.

And I don't care if this sounds cliche, but AJ Green is just a tougher and a more fierce competitor than Grayson is.

I seen Grayson Allen against Boston in 2022, I am pretty confident AJ Green wouldn't **** himself like that.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#43 » by ReddoverKobe » Sun Dec 1, 2024 3:44 pm

10 games this month outside the cup.

tough games @ boston, @ cle. Time to make up some ground
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#44 » by MiltownMadness » Sun Dec 1, 2024 3:47 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Long way from challenging Boston. But more important steps taken tonight.

I like you Pp but weird thought process when were down an allstar (no one knows how good our team actually is, we haven't seen it). Focusing on making the record good rn so we can even challenge them
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#45 » by MiltownMadness » Sun Dec 1, 2024 3:57 pm

BigO wrote:Lopez had a decent scoring game, but can he get a rebound:

AJJ-9 rebounds in 26 minutes
Dame-5 rebounds in 39 minutes
BP-6 rebounds in 23 minutes
Trent-4 rebounds in 19 minutes
Lopez- 0 rebounds in 35 minutes

Can a 7 footer actually get no defensive rebounds in 35 minutes? I know the answer. His elite block outs are responsible for every other players rebounds.

This is just a roundabout way to praise Bobby rebounding
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#46 » by Daver » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:18 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
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yb90 wrote:If Andre could hurry up and transform into the more athletic and taller version of Josh Hart the Bucks would be one step closer to a great starting 5. Lol.




Would much rather start green over ajax he absolutely sucks could find someone in the stands who shoots better than him


Maybe, but there's only a handful of guys in the NBA that can defend like him. He has an elite skill that this team desperately needs. He needs to continue to build a a shooter, but his 35% from 3 is a good starting point.

Good to see you finally come around on Dairy Bird, especially since GTJ has gone back in the tank.




Look im still a big trent fan n hope he gets back to where he was before think the bucks need him at the 2.However until or if that happens i think green isnt that much worse than jax at D n can absolutely 100% bring more to the table on O than jax can so im all for starting green.I really think you need more from your shooting guard than what jax brings you on a nightly basis.
I watched the game last night i didnt think jax was all that special on D n calling him elite like you do i think is whacked
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#47 » by BigO » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:25 pm

HKPackFan wrote:Happy I got to make this one, and happy my short trip to WI included a Bucks W.

Defense was ugly at times, but they did what they had to do. Not gonna complain about seeing a 40pt burger with a triple double from giannis.

Also some fun bombs from dame. I saw the time on the clock before halftime and realized I should take my phone out and just got to record dame as he hit the buzzer beater. That was fun.

Got to participate in an MVP chant towards the end of the game, I haven't done that in a long time.

I also heard an AJ Green chant late in the game, that was a first. Nice to see him beginning to become a fan favorite.

Also that Celtics scout nearby never left his seat the entire game until a late 3 sealed with a minute or so left. Then he ran out of there clutching his scouting report like he was holding some world secrets.


What did he learn???

Giannis is really really good at basketball.


As an early Green supporter (way before he was signed by the Bucks), I do think he has the potential to be better than Grayson Allen.

Green has a much quicker release, which in the NBA is very valuable. Allen attacks the basket better, but he still isn't good at it. Green has started to take the midrange. He has to do that or be relegated to sitting in the corner his entire career.

Allen got a lot better on defense than when he started (he was horrific) and probably is quicker than Green, but we aren't talking about a big advantage.

If Green could learn a floater it would make him much more valuable.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#48 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:38 pm

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ShootingtheJ wrote:
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Would much rather start green over ajax he absolutely sucks could find someone in the stands who shoots better than him


Maybe, but there's only a handful of guys in the NBA that can defend like him. He has an elite skill that this team desperately needs. He needs to continue to build a a shooter, but his 35% from 3 is a good starting point.

Good to see you finally come around on Dairy Bird, especially since GTJ has gone back in the tank.




Look im still a big trent fan n hope he gets back to where he was before think the bucks need him at the 2.However until or if that happens i think green isnt that much worse than jax at D n can absolutely 100% bring more to the table on O than jax can so im all for starting green.I really think you need more from your shooting guard than what jax brings you on a nightly basis.
I watched the game last night i didnt think jax was all that special on D n calling him elite like you do i think is whacked


Statistally he's been elite on ball.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#49 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:41 pm

BigO wrote:
HKPackFan wrote:Happy I got to make this one, and happy my short trip to WI included a Bucks W.

Defense was ugly at times, but they did what they had to do. Not gonna complain about seeing a 40pt burger with a triple double from giannis.

Also some fun bombs from dame. I saw the time on the clock before halftime and realized I should take my phone out and just got to record dame as he hit the buzzer beater. That was fun.

Got to participate in an MVP chant towards the end of the game, I haven't done that in a long time.

I also heard an AJ Green chant late in the game, that was a first. Nice to see him beginning to become a fan favorite.

Also that Celtics scout nearby never left his seat the entire game until a late 3 sealed with a minute or so left. Then he ran out of there clutching his scouting report like he was holding some world secrets.


What did he learn???

Giannis is really really good at basketball.


As an early Green supporter (way before he was signed by the Bucks), I do think he has the potential to be better than Grayson Allen.

Green has a much quicker release, which in the NBA is very valuable. Allen attacks the basket better, but he still isn't good at it. Green has started to take the midrange. He has to do that or be relegated to sitting in the corner his entire career.

Allen got a lot better on defense than when he started (he was horrific) and probably is quicker than Green, but we aren't talking about a big advantage.

If Green could learn a floater it would make him much more valuable.



Allen's biggest issue on both ends is that he plays with zero physicality, which is a death sentence come playoff time.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#50 » by yb90 » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:45 pm

Daver wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
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Would much rather start green over ajax he absolutely sucks could find someone in the stands who shoots better than him


Maybe, but there's only a handful of guys in the NBA that can defend like him. He has an elite skill that this team desperately needs. He needs to continue to build a a shooter, but his 35% from 3 is a good starting point.

Good to see you finally come around on Dairy Bird, especially since GTJ has gone back in the tank.




Look im still a big trent fan n hope he gets back to where he was before think the bucks need him at the 2.However until or if that happens i think green isnt that much worse than jax at D n can absolutely 100% bring more to the table on O than jax can so im all for starting green.I really think you need more from your shooting guard than what jax brings you on a nightly basis.
I watched the game last night i didnt think jax was all that special on D n calling him elite like you do i think is whacked

I think you keep AJ Green on the bench to help spread out your scoring and shooters. Let Ajax continue to grow and if he doesn't come around move up Green.

I just want to see Green and Ajax on the floor together playing defense and hustling.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#51 » by old skool » Sun Dec 1, 2024 7:50 pm

I think the current story of Ajax and Green is less about what they are as players, but rather what they can become. Both have grown noticeably since last year.

So maybe their slower insertion into the rotation that many here preferred has been a good plan. That plan is working.

I don't think it is good for an NBA team to necessarily start their best 5 man unit.

The Bucks need to maintain a balance of defense and scoring capabilites throughout the game. With Antetokounmpo, Lillard and Lopez starting, the Bucks have ample offensive options to start the game. When Lillard goes to the bench around 5-minutes left in the 1st quarter, it helps to have Green on the floor to maintain 3-point capability. It's the same principle of not playing both Giannis and Lillard the entire 1st quarter, and then starting the 2nd quarter with both of them on the bench.

Green has been finishing games, which makes sense. He made game winning shots in Miami, even the one after the shot clock expired.
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Post#52 » by old skool » Sun Dec 1, 2024 7:56 pm

The Bucks need continued growth from both Ajax and Green. But don't điscount the value of the other wings. Prince made a key momentum changing 4th quarter 3, with the offense stalled and the shot clock about to reach 0.0.

Clutch shot making at a high percentage.
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Post#53 » by yb90 » Sun Dec 1, 2024 8:38 pm

I think its time for Doc to get Rolluns some time over Wright. If he is healthy he needs to play because Wright right now is a slightly better version of Patty C.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#54 » by HKPackFan » Sun Dec 1, 2024 8:59 pm

BigO wrote:
HKPackFan wrote:Happy I got to make this one, and happy my short trip to WI included a Bucks W.

Defense was ugly at times, but they did what they had to do. Not gonna complain about seeing a 40pt burger with a triple double from giannis.

Also some fun bombs from dame. I saw the time on the clock before halftime and realized I should take my phone out and just got to record dame as he hit the buzzer beater. That was fun.

Got to participate in an MVP chant towards the end of the game, I haven't done that in a long time.

I also heard an AJ Green chant late in the game, that was a first. Nice to see him beginning to become a fan favorite.

Also that Celtics scout nearby never left his seat the entire game until a late 3 sealed with a minute or so left. Then he ran out of there clutching his scouting report like he was holding some world secrets.


What did he learn???

Giannis is really really good at basketball.


As an early Green supporter (way before he was signed by the Bucks), I do think he has the potential to be better than Grayson Allen.

Green has a much quicker release, which in the NBA is very valuable. Allen attacks the basket better, but he still isn't good at it. Green has started to take the midrange. He has to do that or be relegated to sitting in the corner his entire career.

Allen got a lot better on defense than when he started (he was horrific) and probably is quicker than Green, but we aren't talking about a big advantage.

If Green could learn a floater it would make him much more valuable.


I love that green has added the midrange shot to his game. I like that if they come up on him as a 3pt threat he can blow passed the defender and has that, shot available. It definitely makes him more dangerous.

Also agreed his release is quicker. Grayson fades in the playoffs. His scoring ability is reduced as soon as teams are playing for his shot and he doesn't have the wide open 3 available. It's a reason so many of our 3pt guys disappear in the playoffs.

I'm encouraged by greens quick release, his developing midrange move, and his on ball defense. I think he keeps working these last 2 and he can be impactful in the playoffs.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#55 » by pifhluk23 » Sun Dec 1, 2024 10:06 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Long way from challenging Boston. But more important steps taken tonight.


Eh, really just a Zingus injury away from beating them right now. We still have a higher ceiling as well but need to get there over the next 6 months.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#56 » by chonestown » Sun Dec 1, 2024 11:56 pm

Daver wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:Long way from challenging Boston. But more important steps taken tonight.




Dont know about that they beat us by 8 n 6 points both games the bucks lead they had no KP we had no midds dont think the Cs are that much better thsn we are record aside


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Post#57 » by stellation » Mon Dec 2, 2024 12:11 am

I don't want to be all "I know the most about the NBA" or anything, but it's actually PJ Washington.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#58 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon Dec 2, 2024 12:26 am

rilamann wrote:I have to say it just for old times sake.

What does Grayson Allen give you that AJ Green can't.

Glad someone (Doc) finally listened to me.

:D


very similar players and impact. contracts will be similar thru their careers. i wasnt a numbnut who undervalued or wanted to dump grayson and i wont be one with dairy bird either. good stuff there with him now especially while hes on that rookie deal. hope we dont ddv him down the road but if we do at least get a grayson. the team needs somebody in that role
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#59 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon Dec 2, 2024 12:31 am

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rilamann wrote:I have to say it just for old times sake.

What does Grayson Allen give you that AJ Green can't.

Glad someone (Doc) finally listened to me.

:D


Grayson was/is a far better athlete and could do more with the ball, but both guys are absolute snipers. Keep feeding Green.


grayson was a great team concept guy on defense...... but green is more physical at the point of attack which i appreciate for this team.

grayson could put it on the floor and had a wider offensive game by far than green..... but greens ability to quick pull his shot is superior.

i like green better as a fit on this team with dame....grayson better with jrue....but impact very very similar.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#60 » by blazza18 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 12:38 am

raferfenix wrote:2. Ajax was the only hustle guy we had and wow is it a big deal if he keeps improving! This team needs an elite defensive specialist / athlete who can make things happen in a bad way. Our matador perimeter defense, disappearance from the offensive boards, and absence of partners for Giannis on the break really showed.


Really sticks out on nights like last night when the vets bring next to no energy on the boards or defence. All night you could see Dre fly in from out of frame to disrupt plays while every other guy was jogging or walking back.
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