PG Portland - Bucks Lose

[jakecronus8]

Also I'll repeat what I said in the GT... optically speaking, KM is the worst NBA defender I've ever seen. It's honestly embarrassing, I didn't see 1 play last night where KM was in a proper position with his knees bent and a forearm low on someone's hip. 1 time they even had him in the paint spun like sideways or backwards. On drives, he sporadically just like jumps into guys trying to cut them off with his arms at their shoulders level instead of staying down and sliding, giving him a little space. It's too easy of a foul call for a ref. The KM dudes were saying it's a weak call but that is getting called 9 of 10 times just from not being in a proper position -- like ever.

He’s not even the worst bucks defender in recent memory. Jabari makes present day Khris look like prime Worm. And this is coming from trade Middleton guy.

[Siefer]

Young teams that sprint around hacking and chucking are rough on us. We're old, slow, and "can't call 'em all" has long been a high value strategy against our front line.

I'm mostly fixated on the minutes our starters are playing, and the complete lack of depth up front. I think it's both true that it's unacceptable to not have another NBA caliber big on the roster, and Doc is missing the forest for the trees with how he's running Giannis, Dame, and Brook. Giannis was just ignoring every other rebound last night, and I think it was largely fatigue.

[-Jragon-]

Also I'll repeat what I said in the GT... optically speaking, KM is the worst NBA defender I've ever seen. It's honestly embarrassing, I didn't see 1 play last night where KM was in a proper position with his knees bent and a forearm low on someone's hip. 1 time they even had him in the paint spun like sideways or backwards. On drives, he sporadically just like jumps into guys trying to cut them off with his arms at their shoulders level instead of staying down and sliding, giving him a little space. It's too easy of a foul call for a ref. The KM dudes were saying it's a weak call but that is getting called 9 of 10 times just from not being in a proper position -- like ever.

He’s not even the worst bucks defender in recent memory. Jabari makes present day Khris look like prime Worm. And this is coming from trade Middleton guy.

I know cognitively that KM is more savy that the Brynn Forbes types and yeah probably Jabari. I'm talking about just looks, appearance... the way he's standing, where he is compared to the offensive player and the way he can't move. Visually it looks terrible and I'm not surprised when he gets calls on him because he's always out of position. Pretty comparable to Jabari actually.

[ShootingtheJ]

Also I'll repeat what I said in the GT... optically speaking, KM is the worst NBA defender I've ever seen. It's honestly embarrassing, I didn't see 1 play last night where KM was in a proper position with his knees bent and a forearm low on someone's hip. 1 time they even had him in the paint spun like sideways or backwards. On drives, he sporadically just like jumps into guys trying to cut them off with his arms at their shoulders level instead of staying down and sliding, giving him a little space. It's too easy of a foul call for a ref. The KM dudes were saying it's a weak call but that is getting called 9 of 10 times just from not being in a proper position -- like ever.

He’s not even the worst bucks defender in recent memory. Jabari makes present day Khris look like prime Worm. And this is coming from trade Middleton guy.

Dame is the worst defender on the Bucks, and its not particularly close.

[Siefer]

Also I'll repeat what I said in the GT... optically speaking, KM is the worst NBA defender I've ever seen. It's honestly embarrassing, I didn't see 1 play last night where KM was in a proper position with his knees bent and a forearm low on someone's hip. 1 time they even had him in the paint spun like sideways or backwards. On drives, he sporadically just like jumps into guys trying to cut them off with his arms at their shoulders level instead of staying down and sliding, giving him a little space. It's too easy of a foul call for a ref. The KM dudes were saying it's a weak call but that is getting called 9 of 10 times just from not being in a proper position -- like ever.

He’s not even the worst bucks defender in recent memory. Jabari makes present day Khris look like prime Worm. And this is coming from trade Middleton guy.

Dame is the worst defender on the Bucks, and its not particularly close.

That's disrespectful to Gary Trent Jr. tbh.

[-Jragon-]

If he gets traded to Miami and we make them switch so KM's on Giannis.... imagine the carnage.. I want to see it so badly

[-Jragon-]

Also I'll repeat what I said in the GT... optically speaking, KM is the worst NBA defender I've ever seen. It's honestly embarrassing, I didn't see 1 play last night where KM was in a proper position with his knees bent and a forearm low on someone's hip. 1 time they even had him in the paint spun like sideways or backwards. On drives, he sporadically just like jumps into guys trying to cut them off with his arms at their shoulders level instead of staying down and sliding, giving him a little space. It's too easy of a foul call for a ref. The KM dudes were saying it's a weak call but that is getting called 9 of 10 times just from not being in a proper position -- like ever.

He’s not even the worst bucks defender in recent memory. Jabari makes present day Khris look like prime Worm. And this is coming from trade Middleton guy.

Dame is the worst defender on the Bucks, and its not particularly close.

Jabari was a good comparison to KM but you can't compare Dame to KM.. Dame is athletic, quick twitch... Malik Beasely might be a better comparison but Dame is more intuitive than Malik.. Malik would end up like 3 steps away from a dude without even a screen.. he's just hop the wrong way. There isn't anything actually that KM is better than Dame at.. except scheduling cleanup surguries for end of July.. mf undefeated at that

[Fotis St]

I am watching the game now ... Brook was just terrible on the 1st half. Especially in the second quarter when we needed a bucket he just bricked multiple long early 3s ... On defense he only cares about his block stats. He gumbles for blocks leaving opponents get multiple offensive rebounds.

I don't want to see a single minute of Brook any more.
Get him out of here

[ShootingtheJ]

He’s not even the worst bucks defender in recent memory. Jabari makes present day Khris look like prime Worm. And this is coming from trade Middleton guy.

Dame is the worst defender on the Bucks, and its not particularly close.

Jabari was a good comparison to KM but you can't compare Dame to KM.. Dame is athletic, quick twitch... Malik Beasely might be a better comparison but Dame is more intuitive than Malik.. Malik would end up like 3 steps away from a dude without even a screen.. he's just hop the wrong way. There isn't anything actually that KM is better than Dame at.. except scheduling cleanup surguries for end of July.. mf undefeated at that

It doesn't matter if Dame is quick, as that only shows how lazily he defends. Middleton is the smartest player on the floor every time he steps on the floor. That's how he survives defensively despite a lack of speed.

[engelmartin]

I am watching the game now ... Brook was just terrible on the 1st half. Especially in the second quarter when we needed a bucket he just bricked multiple long early 3s ... On defense he only cares about his block stats. He gumbles for blocks leaving opponents get multiple offensive rebounds.

I don't want to see a single minute of Brook any more.
Get him out of here

“Gumbles” haha I love it

[-Jragon-]

I am watching the game now ... Brook was just terrible on the 1st half. Especially in the second quarter when we needed a bucket he just bricked multiple long early 3s ... On defense he only cares about his block stats. He gumbles for blocks leaving opponents get multiple offensive rebounds.

I don't want to see a single minute of Brook any more.
Get him out of here

You'll see times where AJJ was blown by also... Rollins and Dame were actually in position and their guys were making ridiculous shots over them. Prince was in front of his guy usually but played soft and his guy could get pretty close. 3 was our worst defensive position yesterday overall. I agree with your Brook stuff

[-Jragon-]

Dame is the worst defender on the Bucks, and its not particularly close.

Jabari was a good comparison to KM but you can't compare Dame to KM.. Dame is athletic, quick twitch... Malik Beasely might be a better comparison but Dame is more intuitive than Malik.. Malik would end up like 3 steps away from a dude without even a screen.. he's just hop the wrong way. There isn't anything actually that KM is better than Dame at.. except scheduling cleanup surguries for end of July.. mf undefeated at that

It doesn't matter if Dame is quick, as that only shows how lazily he defends. Middleton is the smartest player on the floor every time he steps on the floor. That's how he survives defensively despite a lack of speed.

Glad he's smart.. too bad we aren't out there taking physics tests.. I'd rather him be good at basketball an not basically foul himself out of a game and get a goose egg... how many points didn't the genius have?

[-Jragon-]

I am watching the game now ... Brook was just terrible on the 1st half. Especially in the second quarter when we needed a bucket he just bricked multiple long early 3s ... On defense he only cares about his block stats. He gumbles for blocks leaving opponents get multiple offensive rebounds.

I don't want to see a single minute of Brook any more.
Get him out of here

“Gumbles” haha I love it

GTJ had some nice steals and also let some wide open drives going. I wonder if he was "gumbling" too

[-Jragon-]

I think the offensive rebound #'s are a little misleading.. there were some plays where the same dude on their team would keep tapping the ball up and miss over and over .. like 9 of those offensive rebounds were on 2 plays and led to 4 points.

[Dick Tate]

B2B board overreaction meltdown in progress.
The starters played heavy minutes last night. Who could see THIS coming?!

They played heavy minutes to beat the Jazz which tells you all you need to know about this team.

Yep, it tells me the team could've used 50 minutes or so of Bobby and AJ the last few games.

[emunney]

I am watching the game now ... Brook was just terrible on the 1st half. Especially in the second quarter when we needed a bucket he just bricked multiple long early 3s ... On defense he only cares about his block stats. He gumbles for blocks leaving opponents get multiple offensive rebounds.

I don't want to see a single minute of Brook any more.
Get him out of here

“Gumbles” haha I love it

GTJ had some nice steals and also let some wide open drives going. I wonder if he was "gumbling" too

Trent's a notorious gumbler. He's got a gumbling addiction

[Wonka]

The fact that we have to discuss whether or not Khris should've played a back to back or not just illustrates how we've let this go on for too long. The discussion isn't whether or not he can handle a back to back, it's whether or not he can handle a genuine Finals run. I don't have any idea how any poster here can pretend that he's a bonafide third option as is, nor that we can pretend that his health is going to randomly and magically turn a corner. He's a role player being paid as a star, and to be honest, there are few too many nights and far too many matchups where he looks worse than a role player.

[randy84]

The fact that we have to discuss whether or not Khris should've played a back to back or not just illustrates how we've let this go on for too long. The discussion isn't whether or not he can handle a back to back, it's whether or not he can handle a genuine Finals run. I don't have any idea how any poster here can pretend that he's a bonafide third option as is, nor that we can pretend that his health is going to randomly and magically turn a corner. He's a role player being paid as a star, and to be honest, there are few too many nights and far too many matchups where he looks worse than a role player.

The guy lost his starting spot to Taurean Prince, the quintessential role player. That's how far he has fallen.

[mediocrityrules]

I think the offensive rebound #'s are a little misleading.. there were some plays where the same dude on their team would keep tapping the ball up and miss over and over .. like 9 of those offensive rebounds were on 2 plays and led to 4 points.

We said the same thing about the Jazz game. If it keeps happening we're clearly still doing something wrong on the glass on that end if the opposition can have multiple attempts at a basket on the one possession, and it's not just a case of being unlucky (I think is the point you're trying to make?)

[-Jragon-]

I think the offensive rebound #'s are a little misleading.. there were some plays where the same dude on their team would keep tapping the ball up and miss over and over .. like 9 of those offensive rebounds were on 2 plays and led to 4 points.

We said the same thing about the Jazz game. If it keeps happening we're clearly still doing something wrong on the glass on that end if the opposition can have multiple attempts at a basket on the one possession, and it's not just a case of being unlucky (I think is the point you're trying to make?)

Good point... yeah if it keeps happening like that we're obviously not boxing out and being physical.

My point was -- how many points did we get off our 8 offensive rebounds compared to the amount of points they got off of their 17.. (I think those were the #s).. I'd guess we got close to as many points on ours.. I remember Giannis and Rollins getting easy putbacks. If they got half of theirs on 2 plays then it's not a main reason they won. I think they just made more tough shots.