PG OKC - Bucks Fall Short

[drone3]

https://youtu.be/TttoCdab22c?si=LK3iNRrqmnBAUxH4

[ShootingtheJ]

The G-league squad losing to the 39-9 Thunder by 29.

Is much more respectable than our high priced starters losing by 26 to A 21-24 Spurs team that likley won't even make the play-in.

Sure, but it was a lot of fun watching our high priced stars spank the Thunder earlier in the year.

[Packbuckman]

Nope. Thought he should have been a late 2nd, and signed to a 2 year 2 way deal. Paying $2.7 million to a player who had 2 points in his last G League game is silly.

He has talent. He's a project. Seems to have a decent head on his shoulders. Still years away though. Some projects turn out. Hope he does, we need it.

I don’t think he is years away from contributing to this bucks team I would have him up here now playing just for his defense alone he can stay in front of his guy. He looked good tonite I don’t care about the G league I want to see how he plays with Giannis and dame off the bench as a back pg because we sure don’t have one now. I like Rollins but he’s not pg and wright is terrible play the kid and see how he does.

Johnson doesn't have much PG experience. He usually plays SG in the G League. They played a team that zone pressed a few games ago, and lost by 40. He needs experience at a beginner level.

Middleton is the backup PG, and we've been really good in those minutes.

Not on the defensive end we haven’t been we need AJ for his speed and being able to stay in front of his man which nobody on this team can do lately at all. I don’t care what they play him in the G League. I can see what Doc has him doing up here last nite and his ball handling and being able to get where he wants is better than anyone on this roster not named Giannis Dame and Middleton.

[ShootingtheJ]

I don’t think he is years away from contributing to this bucks team I would have him up here now playing just for his defense alone he can stay in front of his guy. He looked good tonite I don’t care about the G league I want to see how he plays with Giannis and dame off the bench as a back pg because we sure don’t have one now. I like Rollins but he’s not pg and wright is terrible play the kid and see how he does.

Johnson doesn't have much PG experience. He usually plays SG in the G League. They played a team that zone pressed a few games ago, and lost by 40. He needs experience at a beginner level.

Middleton is the backup PG, and we've been really good in those minutes.

Not on the defensive end we haven’t been we need AJ for his speed and being able to stay in front of his man which nobody on this team can do lately at all. I don’t care what they play him in the G League. I can see what Doc has him doing up here last nite and his ball handling and being able to get where he wants is better than anyone on this roster not named Giannis Dame and Middleton.

Sure, but only against the bottom of the roster Thunder players. He did nothing against the regulars.

[Packbuckman]

Johnson doesn't have much PG experience. He usually plays SG in the G League. They played a team that zone pressed a few games ago, and lost by 40. He needs experience at a beginner level.

Middleton is the backup PG, and we've been really good in those minutes.

Not on the defensive end we haven’t been we need AJ for his speed and being able to stay in front of his man which nobody on this team can do lately at all. I don’t care what they play him in the G League. I can see what Doc has him doing up here last nite and his ball handling and being able to get where he wants is better than anyone on this roster not named Giannis Dame and Middleton.

Sure, but only against the bottom of the roster Thunder players. He did nothing against the regulars.

But he also didn’t have Giannis Dame and Middleton to play with which I want to see how he does with that I think it would invaluable experience for him better than playing G League

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

personally more games like these please.... id much rather watch high energy youngsters get spanked over a knee than supposed hof'ers on a fugazi championship run

[BUCKnation]

Was at the game. Almost didn't go, but got a good deal on tix a few rows behind the Bucks bench. Brook was on the bench for the whole game, Dame came out about halfway through the first and was there the whole time and both stayed late signing autographs around the tunnel, no sign of Khris or Giannis. I assume Giannis was there, bc Mariah and kids were about 5 rows behind me and went to tunnel for the locker room late. If the goat TA was there, I would have definitely tried to get a pic

The athleticism is pretty crazy and clear from guys like AJax and AJ Johnson. AJax is supremely frustrating in that he'd rather kick it out than go up strong for a lay up or dunk. I don't mind it some times, but tonight it was really evident in this one without the Dame/Giannis gravity that he was trading good looks around the rim for a potential halfway open look on the 3 pt line. AJ Johnson is rapid and was about to bring the house down if he got that dunk on IHart. Thought he looked pretty solid.

Idk why the Thunder played their starters for so long, I get SGA stat padding, but bringing them out and playing like 8 min of the 3rd up 40 was weird.

Felt bad for GTJ, he had like 6 rim outs and showed legit shot creation.

AJ Green was working hard, but they knew the gameplan was probably to get him a ton a shots. He was guarded incredibly tight and never really found any open space. Worked hard to try and create for himself, but it was tough sledding.

Livingston is limited, but I'd still want to see him surrounded by real guys. He was fighting hard for rebound and made I Hart, who is like 5 inches taller and 50 lbs heavier work pretty hard. I definitely think he could have helped against Memphis for short spells in an effort to stem the tide of their rebounding onslaught.

Defense obviously wasn't great, but they had a really good shooting night too. If Ousmane Dieng is dropping 20 on you, w/e.

In general most of these guys, as we've seen all season, look way better when playing with the starters, and I think it'd be worth while to sprinkle in PT for some of these guys depending on the matchups and availability.

[Bernman]

Few guys could stay in front of their man on the night, even those you could usually count on for that. I don't know what was up w/ it. Seems to be a trend lately; not just in this game.

Last yr Livingston effectively marked guys like Clarkson & Pritchard. SGA is a different beast, but Chris struggled w/ the other guys too. IDK if he/they were over-amped/nervous, expending too much on o, or his growth spurt has made him go from versatile to tweener. I'm not sold on the outside shot, but the rebounding is an asset, & the defense SHOULD be.

[Ron Swanson]

I think if anything this game should make it crystal clear to everyone that defense isn't just about having "young athletes". The best Bucks defense of my lifetime had 33-year olds Wes Matthews, George Hill, Ersan Illyasova (probably 35 if we're being honest), and 38-year old Kyle Korver playing a combined 77-minutes per game.

[Bernman]

Nope. Thought he should have been a late 2nd, and signed to a 2 year 2 way deal. Paying $2.7 million to a player who had 2 points in his last G League game is silly.

He has talent. He's a project. Seems to have a decent head on his shoulders. Still years away though. Some projects turn out. Hope he does, we need it.

He had 13 in his only NBA game w/ real minutes & you are your averages. His g-league #'s are OK, especially for his age & experience level. He out-played many who went before late 2nd in the combine, & a late 1st in this game.

You can claim he should/would have went late 2nd, but the Bucks were spooked he'd go before 33 after their interest was leaked. I think no player who ended up a core guy has went in the 50's of the draft this century. AJ has that upside. He's a boom-bust, more likely the former, but latter is realistic. You may not take take that gamble, but many FO's don't think like you, not just the Bucks.

[Bernman]

I think if anything this game should make it crystal clear to everyone that defense isn't just about having "young athletes". The best Bucks defense of my lifetime had 33-year olds Wes Matthews, George Hill, Ersan Illyasova (probably 35 if we're being honest), and 38-year old Kyle Korver playing a combined 77-minutes per game.

Yet, in specific match-ups, that team got crushed too, & ultimately the playoffs, if you want to cherry-pick.

[emunney]

BTW is Robbins injured? If you can't call him up for a game when you're sitting all your bigs and starting Chris Livingston at C, when can you call him up? Not that I'm the first to say it, but probably time to move on.

[Bernman]

BTW is Robbins injured? If you can't call him up for a game when you're sitting all your bigs and starting Chris Livingston at C, when can you call him up? Not that I'm the first to say it, but probably time to move on.

He was listed as out, only it said "2-way". He hasn't been playing lately for the Herd. So I assume there's another explanation than he's not even good enough for the assignment. Though I don't think he is & they should switch it to Badji (Ellenson's ineligible).

BTW, Umude was listed as out, but he played for the Herd. Which tells you we should be doing something else w/ those 2-ways. You could give it to Terence Davis.

[emunney]

BTW is Robbins injured? If you can't call him up for a game when you're sitting all your bigs and starting Chris Livingston at C, when can you call him up? Not that I'm the first to say it, but probably time to move on.

He was listed as out, only it said "2-way". He hasn't been playing lately for the Herd. So I assume there's another explanation than he's not even good enough for the assignment. Though I don't think he is & they should switch it to Badji (Ellenson's ineligible).

BTW, Umude was listed as out, but he played for the Herd. Which tells you we should be doing something else w/ those 2-ways. You could give it to Terence Davis.

Davis isn't eligible either, is he?

[Bernman]

BTW is Robbins injured? If you can't call him up for a game when you're sitting all your bigs and starting Chris Livingston at C, when can you call him up? Not that I'm the first to say it, but probably time to move on.

He was listed as out, only it said "2-way". He hasn't been playing lately for the Herd. So I assume there's another explanation than he's not even good enough for the assignment. Though I don't think he is & they should switch it to Badji (Ellenson's ineligible).

BTW, Umude was listed as out, but he played for the Herd. Which tells you we should be doing something else w/ those 2-ways. You could give it to Terence Davis.

Davis isn't eligible either, is he?

You may be right, unless there's a game minimum for it to count as a season. He's played over 4.

Otherwise I guess w/ him they'd have to offer 10-days like Meyer Leonard. He did then make the postseason roster.

[ShootingtheJ]

Nope. Thought he should have been a late 2nd, and signed to a 2 year 2 way deal. Paying $2.7 million to a player who had 2 points in his last G League game is silly.

He has talent. He's a project. Seems to have a decent head on his shoulders. Still years away though. Some projects turn out. Hope he does, we need it.

He had 13 in his only NBA game w/ real minutes & you are your averages. His g-league #'s are OK, especially for his age & experience level. He out-played many who went before late 2nd in the combine, & a late 1st in this game.

You can claim he should/would have went late 2nd, but the Bucks were spooked he'd go before 33 after their interest was leaked. I think no player who ended up a core guy has went in the 50's of the draft this century. AJ has that upside. He's a boom-bust, more likely the former, but latter is realistic. You may not take take that gamble, but many FO's don't think like you, not just the Bucks.

The likely rookie of the year was drafted after both AJ and Smith.

[Packbuckman]

Nope. Thought he should have been a late 2nd, and signed to a 2 year 2 way deal. Paying $2.7 million to a player who had 2 points in his last G League game is silly.

He has talent. He's a project. Seems to have a decent head on his shoulders. Still years away though. Some projects turn out. Hope he does, we need it.

He had 13 in his only NBA game w/ real minutes & you are your averages. His g-league #'s are OK, especially for his age & experience level. He out-played many who went before late 2nd in the combine, & a late 1st in this game.

You can claim he should/would have went late 2nd, but the Bucks were spooked he'd go before 33 after their interest was leaked. I think no player who ended up a core guy has went in the 50's of the draft this century. AJ has that upside. He's a boom-bust, more likely the former, but latter is realistic. You may not take take that gamble, but many FO's don't think like you, not just the Bucks.

The likely rookie of the year was drafted after both AJ and Smith.

That don’t mean he will have a better career just means he was older and more ready just like brogdon and MCW but not much upside. I rather take the chance on youth and upside which this team needs. The trading of Donte was the idiotic move this team made not drafting AJ let’s see who looks better next yr and the yr after that.

[Bernman]

The likely rookie of the year was drafted after both AJ and Smith.

You said yourself rookie of the year. So by that metric he'd warrant the 1st pick, not in the 50's like you said for Johnson. Grand Canyon Gap between those things.

And guys can of course surpass them in time, as you know they were drafted not for what they are this season, but future ones. Brogdon was ROY in a draft that included Jaylen Brown, Jamal Murray, Sabonis, Siakam, etc. Who should have been picked higher?

[ShootingtheJ]

He had 13 in his only NBA game w/ real minutes & you are your averages. His g-league #'s are OK, especially for his age & experience level. He out-played many who went before late 2nd in the combine, & a late 1st in this game.

You can claim he should/would have went late 2nd, but the Bucks were spooked he'd go before 33 after their interest was leaked. I think no player who ended up a core guy has went in the 50's of the draft this century. AJ has that upside. He's a boom-bust, more likely the former, but latter is realistic. You may not take take that gamble, but many FO's don't think like you, not just the Bucks.

The likely rookie of the year was drafted after both AJ and Smith.

That don’t mean he will have a better career just means he was older and more ready just like brogdon and MCW but not much upside. I rather take the chance on youth and upside which this team needs. The trading of Donte was the idiotic move this team made not drafting AJ let’s see who looks better next yr and the yr after that.

Betting that Horst made a good pick is being against the odds. Hope he finally got one right, but that would be bucking history

[Packbuckman]

The likely rookie of the year was drafted after both AJ and Smith.

That don’t mean he will have a better career just means he was older and more ready just like brogdon and MCW but not much upside. I rather take the chance on youth and upside which this team needs. The trading of Donte was the idiotic move this team made not drafting AJ let’s see who looks better next yr and the yr after that.

Betting that Horst made a good pick is being against the odds. Hope he finally got one right, but that would be bucking history

I know horst hasn’t in the past but he has never drafted high in draft either. I really like this kid there’s something very intriguing about him like there was with Giannis he just happened to be 6’9 and we sucked so he played more. I would play this kid to see how he does it sure won’t hurt our defense lol