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Re: PG Warriors - Bucks Run out of Gas 

Post#41 » by -Jragon- » Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:53 am

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paulpressey25 wrote:Usually don’t complain much about coaching moves game to game. Personnel is more important.

But tonight I think Doc broke me. Those lineups were infuriating.

And GSW understands we have severe problems getting the ball up the court. So selective trapping was killing us. And if you know they’re doing that, don’t have Kuz, Pat, Trent bring the ball up. Then later Dame just gave up. Why haven’t we figured out an answer on that yet?


They also understood that we have terrible transition defense, so moved the ball quickly down the court almost every possession and caught us out far too many times to count.


Once km comes back from his injury that will fix our perimeter D... haha jk sorry

I'm hoping the answer is kpj as the 2nd or 3rd ball handler after dame/ga (or before ga) instead of Kuz.. keep kuz and GTJ off ball where they are more dangerous
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Post#42 » by -Jragon- » Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:12 am

When it comes to GA sitting right now... last year around this time we had a wc road trip where GA could miss just 5 games and rest his calf for like 23 days or so.. I suggested he skip it and do nothing so he's ready for the playoffs and I got blasted, even some doctor dude (Jez) was in here saying resting it for 23 days won't help when all research available online said it would. Someone, either Giannis or team staff agreed on him playing through it and taking 1 game off at a time --- well they were all wrong as he missed the playoffs.

So I see this moment now as the closest spot in the schedule and that makes me think we finally learned --- and by we, let's be honest, it was likely GA insisting on playing -- doc is on record saying he didn't think he should have played starting the game after he had to miss because of some slip in warmups (or tightening). If doc stepped up and demanded he sit this time -- even better. We should do a Dame mini-shut down too (end of Feb/early Mar) at some point after Giannis comes back ... mid March and on hopefully we have everyone rolling, in shape, clicking, etc
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Re: PG Warriors - Bucks Run out of Gas 

Post#43 » by pifhluk23 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 10:38 am

3-7 in our last 10, truly pathetic. Good teams go 5-5 when they are playing bad.
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Re: PG Warriors - Bucks Run out of Gas 

Post#44 » by soxperry » Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:41 pm

I dont really care about the result if Giannis isnt playing. Thats the trade off of being a very top heavy team. We just aren't nearly the same without him.

Almost certainly we will end up in the 4/5 matchup, most likely against Indiana, so this is all kinda whatever
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Post#45 » by Profound23 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:46 pm

soxperry wrote:I dont really care about the result if Giannis isnt playing. Thats the trade off of being a very top heavy team. We just aren't nearly the same without him.

Almost certainly we will end up in the 4/5 matchup, most likely against Indiana, so this is all kinda whatever



Which is why on the second game of a back to back, against a team like GSW, you sit Dame instead of playing him 40 minutes. They learned nothing from last year. Run Giannis in to the ground until he is hurt, then run Dame into the ground until he is hurt. Playoffs come around and neither is able to play a full series.
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Re: PG Warriors - Bucks Run out of Gas 

Post#46 » by jute2003 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:47 pm

They looked like they were running out of gas after running more in these past two games than they have in the rest of the year combined.

I think kuzma is going to be a surprisingly good addition once they get some practice and time to gel. He moves off the ball better than anyone on the team and is a surprisingly capable defender. Giving up AJ Johnson for him is still a bitch.

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Re: PG Warriors - Bucks Run out of Gas 

Post#47 » by soxperry » Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:54 pm

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soxperry wrote:I dont really care about the result if Giannis isnt playing. Thats the trade off of being a very top heavy team. We just aren't nearly the same without him.

Almost certainly we will end up in the 4/5 matchup, most likely against Indiana, so this is all kinda whatever



Which is why on the second game of a back to back, against a team like GSW, you sit Dame instead of playing him 40 minutes. They learned nothing from last year. Run Giannis in to the ground until he is hurt, then run Dame into the ground until he is hurt. Playoffs come around and neither is able to play a full series.


Yeah, we need to relax on the high minutes. Im assuming thats part of why we got Kpj who had a pretty damn high usage in LA. 28%!!

Im assuming hes going to eat up a ton of those Dame off minutes at least for the rest of the regular season.
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Post#48 » by neiLz » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:01 pm

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Post#49 » by RogerMurdock » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:11 pm

rilamann wrote:Even with a healthy Giannis and the Bucks playing at the height of their collective ceiling. They still would have no shot at beating one of those teams in a best of 7 series. And the Bucks likley wouldn't beat the Pacers in a 7 game series.


A healthy Bucks team firing on all cylinders clearly has a shot to beat the best teams in the league in a full series. The Bucks' A-game can beat anyone and thus the Bucks have a chance to win a title.

The problem is not that the Bucks don't have the potential, it's that the likelihood of hitting that potential enough times is not high.

So do the Bucks have a chance to go deep in the playoffs/win it all? Yes. Would I bet on it? Hell no.
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Re: PG Warriors - Bucks Run out of Gas 

Post#50 » by pifhluk23 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:45 pm

soxperry wrote:I dont really care about the result if Giannis isnt playing. Thats the trade off of being a very top heavy team. We just aren't nearly the same without him.

Almost certainly we will end up in the 4/5 matchup, most likely against Indiana, so this is all kinda whatever


We should be playing for the #3 though because I think we match up much better against the Celtics than the Cavs, not to mention they are young and hungry.
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Re: PG Warriors - Bucks Run out of Gas 

Post#51 » by stillgotgame » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:07 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:Usually don’t complain much about coaching moves game to game. Personnel is more important.

But tonight I think Doc broke me. Those lineups were infuriating.

And GSW understands we have severe problems getting the ball up the court. So selective trapping was killing us. And if you know they’re doing that, don’t have Kuz, Pat, Trent bring the ball up. Then later Dame just gave up. Why haven’t we figured out an answer on that yet?


They also understood that we have terrible transition defense, so moved the ball quickly down the court almost every possession and caught us out far too many times to count.


But I thought we hired Doc to fix the transition defense? Wasn’t that entirely Griff’s fault?

Doc sucks. I’m nauseous watching the game. He’s an old geezer like me(I’m 61). Get a young guy out there and actually coach the players, not just gaslight post game.
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Post#52 » by emunney » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:13 pm

neiLz wrote:Member when patty c dribbled up the court and slowly fell to the ground and the heat just took the ball away and scored? I member.


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Re: PG Warriors - Bucks Run out of Gas 

Post#53 » by rilamann » Wed Feb 12, 2025 8:38 pm

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rilamann wrote:Even with a healthy Giannis and the Bucks playing at the height of their collective ceiling. They still would have no shot at beating one of those teams in a best of 7 series. And the Bucks likley wouldn't beat the Pacers in a 7 game series.


A healthy Bucks team firing on all cylinders clearly has a shot to beat the best teams in the league in a full series. The Bucks' A-game can beat anyone and thus the Bucks have a chance to win a title.

The problem is not that the Bucks don't have the potential, it's that the likelihood of hitting that potential enough times is not high.

So do the Bucks have a chance to go deep in the playoffs/win it all? Yes. Would I bet on it? Hell no.


Sure, if if you looked at the Bucks on paper and assumed they were healthy and firing on all cylinders, I agree they could win a series and make some noise in the playoffs.

But the thought of them actually doing that based on what we have seen from the Bucks since October is beyond laughable.

You can say the exact same thing about the Sixers that you can say about the Bucks.

If the Sixers are healthy and firing on all cylinders they could make some noise in the playoffs. A big 3 of Embiid, Maxey and PG13 could be dangerous in the playoffs.

But the idea if the Sixers suddenly firing on all cylinders and making any noise on in the playoffs based what we have seen from them so far, is just as laughable as it is when you think of the Bucks making noise in the playoffs.
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