Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks

[sidney lanier]

Sign this guy right away, please.

[JayMKE]

Sign this guy right away, please.

Winning the Thanasis sweepstakes is key to retaining Giannis

[tedbrogen]

Give me the Risacher/Johnson/Daniels/Gueye and picks package from Atlanta over any Cavs package.

Mobley and Garland are not leading us to title contention, and they don't have much draft capital that leads me to believe that we might add a legitimate star down the road that will take us to that next level. We're basically stuck with those guys through 2028 with little draft capital, and I doubt those guys will be pulling in any title-swinging FAs. Garland is a FA in 2028 and Mobley is a FA in 2030. By the time we start having draft picks to surround those guys, they've got one foot out the door.

The Hawks package gives us young talent to build with and lots of quality draft picks. Giannis and Trae play together in a weak East. With a few smart additions, they can make some noise.

This. While the Cavs package gives you two good young players immediately, the most they can offer is 30 and 32 1sts and 31 swap.
Hawks can offer these picks: 2025 13, 2025 22, 2027 lesser of Bucks and Pels picks, 2029, 2031, 2030 swap.
So ignoring the two picks and swap at the end for both teams, Hawks give you three extra firsts with one being the Bucks own pick back.
Is being a treadmill team while hoping Mobley has another leap in him worth more than the extra picks and four guys with potential?

This is all assuming we are in a world where Giannis wants out or won’t extend and those two offers are on the table and Flagg isn’t on the table.

That said, Mobley/Garland/Wade/30/32/31swap/four future seconds/rights to their eight draft and stash guys for Giannis/Kuz is worth discussing based on how young Mobley and Garland are. (Needs to include Wade’s expiring salary to get them out of the second apron and Bucks could use that and Pat’s expiring to get further assets)

Garland/KPJ/AJG/Mobley/Portis with Rollins/Wade/Smith/Sims/whoever they use the MLE on seems like a playin team. The upside is determined if you think Mobley levels up. It’s just a shame the Cavs don’t have a couple more picks.

[ReasonablySober]

Give me the Risacher/Johnson/Daniels/Gueye and picks package from Atlanta over any Cavs package.

Mobley and Garland are not leading us to title contention, and they don't have much draft capital that leads me to believe that we might add a legitimate star down the road that will take us to that next level. We're basically stuck with those guys through 2028 with little draft capital, and I doubt those guys will be pulling in any title-swinging FAs. Garland is a FA in 2028 and Mobley is a FA in 2030. By the time we start having draft picks to surround those guys, they've got one foot out the door.

The Hawks package gives us young talent to build with and lots of quality draft picks. Giannis and Trae play together in a weak East. With a few smart additions, they can make some noise.

This. While the Cavs package gives you two good young players immediately, the most they can offer is 30 and 32 1sts and 31 swap.
Hawks can offer these picks: 2025 13, 2025 22, 2027 lesser of Bucks and Pels picks, 2029, 2031, 2030 swap.
So ignoring the two picks and swap at the end for both teams, Hawks give you three extra firsts with one being the Bucks own pick back.
Is being a treadmill team while hoping Mobley has another leap in him worth more than the extra picks and four guys with potential?

This is all assuming we are in a world where Giannis wants out or won’t extend and those two offers are on the table and Flagg isn’t on the table.

That said, Mobley/Garland/Wade/30/32/31swap/four future seconds/rights to their eight draft and stash guys for Giannis/Kuz is worth discussing based on how young Mobley and Garland are. (Needs to include Wade’s expiring salary to get them out of the second apron and Bucks could use that and Pat’s expiring to get further assets)

Garland/KPJ/AJG/Mobley/Portis with Rollins/Wade/Smith/Sims/whoever they use the MLE on seems like a playin team. The upside is determined if you think Mobley levels up. It’s just a shame the Cavs don’t have a couple more picks.

Obviously I want the best possible package, but I don't think we get the Hawks young players AND picks. Johnson was on his way to his first ASG, and he's locked up for the next five years on a ridiculous bargain of a deal. Daniels won NBA's most improved this season. Risacher was last year's #1 overall and showed flashes of future stardom as a 19 year old.

[Bernman]

Flagg plus is the only thing I can think of that doesn’t make me check out for a half decade. What I find most interesting is a few months ago about 5% of this board was willing to trade him, now it seems like 50% + are there. Consciously or sub consciously seems we are mentally preparing there, we see the end. That’s the real story

That Atlanta package making us decent right away w/ guys who have upside, the middle of the 1st season would already have you like:

[humanrefutation]

Flagg plus is the only thing I can think of that doesn’t make me check out for a half decade. What I find most interesting is a few months ago about 5% of this board was willing to trade him, now it seems like 50% + are there. Consciously or sub consciously seems we are mentally preparing there, we see the end. That’s the real story

All of these proposals depend on Giannis asking out. I don't think most people here would trade him otherwise.

Plus, it's the offseason. Whether Giannis stays or goes is the domino that'll determine what else we do. Not much to talk about otherwise.

[BigO]

Flagg plus is the only thing I can think of that doesn’t make me check out for a half decade. What I find most interesting is a few months ago about 5% of this board was willing to trade him, now it seems like 50% + are there. Consciously or sub consciously seems we are mentally preparing there, we see the end. That’s the real story

I used to think it was interesting to think about what we could get in a Giannis trade but it’s depressing staring it in the face. I couldn’t care less what any report says unless its shams or Haynes breaking the news he’s leaving, but I can’t help but feel like it’s coming to an end just by looking at our situation. I hope it isn’t the end but it sure feels like it.

It's amazing how day by day so many posters lower the value of Giannis thru worse and worse trade ideas. Nothing has really changed, except their fear of losing him for nothing, so they subconsciously lower his trade value.

Stay strong. Flagg or bust until something signifcantly changes.

And don't downplay signing Thanasis. I'd even tempt Giannis by signing his other brother. You don't need 15 guys in the playoffs. But you do need Giannis.

[humanrefutation]

Obviously I want the best possible package, but I don't think we get the Hawks young players AND picks. Johnson was on his way to his first ASG, and he's locked up for the next five years on a ridiculous bargain of a deal. Daniels won NBA's most improved this season. Risacher was last year's #1 overall and showed flashes of future stardom as a 19 year old.

Pretend you're a Hawks fan or Hawks ownership. Your team has been on a treadmill of mediocrity since, well, forever. You can choose those guys/picks who might turn out to really good but likely never as good as Giannis, or you can trade them for a Top 2 NBA player still in his prime with two full seasons under contract. You look at the East, and figure that you can pair Giannis with Trae, have a good coach, a few other quality players, and an offseason to fill in the margins, and you're a serious contender. Tell me you say no to that?

[ReasonablySober]

Obviously I want the best possible package, but I don't think we get the Hawks young players AND picks. Johnson was on his way to his first ASG, and he's locked up for the next five years on a ridiculous bargain of a deal. Daniels won NBA's most improved this season. Risacher was last year's #1 overall and showed flashes of future stardom as a 19 year old.

Pretend your a Hawks fan. Your team has been on a treadmill of mediocrity since, well, forever. You can choose those guys/picks who might turn out to really good but likely never as good as Giannis, or you can trade them for a Top 2 NBA player still in his prime with two full seasons under contract. You look at the East, and figure that you can pair Giannis with Trae, have a good coach, a few other quality players, and an offseason to fill in the margins, and you're a serious contender. Tell me you say no to that?

I think if you're the Hawks GM you're looking around and asking who is beating that package of players?

[machu46]

Just to play devil's advocate, where does Mobley rank on the list of bandied about assets? 2nd? 3rd at worst?

I see I'm a ways behind in this thread, but my two cents here is that Mobley is at or near the top of the list. Issue is other teams would theoretically offer that caliber asset and a lot more whereas Cleveland simply doesn't have much to add (also may not be able to add with their cap situation?)

I do think people are selling him massively short by playing him off as merely a role player. He's probably a top 25-30 player right now (I know the Ringer currently has him ranked top 15 I think and that's insane IMO but Simmons and Co. have been obsessed with him for a long time).

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[Baddy Chuck]

Obviously I want the best possible package, but I don't think we get the Hawks young players AND picks. Johnson was on his way to his first ASG, and he's locked up for the next five years on a ridiculous bargain of a deal. Daniels won NBA's most improved this season. Risacher was last year's #1 overall and showed flashes of future stardom as a 19 year old.

Pretend your a Hawks fan. Your team has been on a treadmill of mediocrity since, well, forever. You can choose those guys/picks who might turn out to really good but likely never as good as Giannis, or you can trade them for a Top 2 NBA player still in his prime with two full seasons under contract. You look at the East, and figure that you can pair Giannis with Trae, have a good coach, a few other quality players, and an offseason to fill in the margins, and you're a serious contender. Tell me you say no to that?

I think if you're the Hawks GM you're looking around and asking who is beating that package of players?

Isn't that how you get Giannis though? Having the best package? You start removing guys from it it becomes beatable pretty quick.

[ShootingtheJ]

Pretend your a Hawks fan. Your team has been on a treadmill of mediocrity since, well, forever. You can choose those guys/picks who might turn out to really good but likely never as good as Giannis, or you can trade them for a Top 2 NBA player still in his prime with two full seasons under contract. You look at the East, and figure that you can pair Giannis with Trae, have a good coach, a few other quality players, and an offseason to fill in the margins, and you're a serious contender. Tell me you say no to that?

I think if you're the Hawks GM you're looking around and asking who is beating that package of players?

Isn't that how you get Giannis though? Having the best package? You start removing guys from it it becomes beatable pretty quick.

Correct. It would be a bidding war, and it would go quick. Everyone would be bidding. This isn't problem child Jimmy Butler, this is the most respected and popular player in the game.

[BigO]

Pretend your a Hawks fan. Your team has been on a treadmill of mediocrity since, well, forever. You can choose those guys/picks who might turn out to really good but likely never as good as Giannis, or you can trade them for a Top 2 NBA player still in his prime with two full seasons under contract. You look at the East, and figure that you can pair Giannis with Trae, have a good coach, a few other quality players, and an offseason to fill in the margins, and you're a serious contender. Tell me you say no to that?

I think if you're the Hawks GM you're looking around and asking who is beating that package of players?

Isn't that how you get Giannis though? Having the best package? You start removing guys from it it becomes beatable pretty quick.

Jalen Johnson headlines a package for Giannis and posters think this is a good idea?

And Mobley and Garland headline a package for Giannis and posters think that's a good idea?

Let me remind you that Mobley, Garland plus top ten player Donovan Mitchell and Jarrett Allen couldn't get out of the second round against the Pacers.
I know, the picks, the picks, blah, blah, blah.

[ReasonablySober]

Jalen Johnson headlines a package for Giannis and posters think this is a good idea?
:

Jalen Johnson, an All-Defense caliber wing, and last years #1 overall pick. Yes. It would be a good idea, especially if they’re throwing in picks.

[Ron Swanson]

You might wanna look at Atlanta's pick situation because it's really nothing special. It's just #13 and a bunch of secondary swap rights in the near future (you'd want their 2030 unprotected 1st I guess). But yeah, they can probably offer the best collection of players/prospects. Really depends on how high you are on Risacher though.

[Frank Nova]

I think if you're the Hawks GM you're looking around and asking who is beating that package of players?

Isn't that how you get Giannis though? Having the best package? You start removing guys from it it becomes beatable pretty quick.

Jalen Johnson headlines a package for Giannis and posters think this is a good idea?

And Mobley and Garland headline a package for Giannis and posters think that's a good idea?

Let me remind you that Mobley, Garland plus top ten player Donovan Mitchell and Jarrett Allen couldn't get out of the second round against the Pacers.
I know, the picks, the picks, blah, blah, blah.

The trades ppl are talking themselves into for Giannis are getting out of hand.

[BigO]

Jalen Johnson headlines a package for Giannis and posters think this is a good idea?
:

Jalen Johnson, an All-Defense caliber wing, and last years #1 overall pick. Yes. It would be a good idea, especially if they’re throwing in picks.

Serous question. How did you determine that Jalen Johnson is one of the best defenders in the league? I never heard that about him or viewed him that way.

I did look at some of the sites that claim to rate defenders and the only one I found that had his name had him down as the 50th best defender.

I saw a ton of him in AAU.They had one of the best AAU teams I've seen, with lots of NBA or high college caliber players. He was the best of them in terms of talent, although Beekman was the heart and soul of the team.

He definitely has the athletic makeup to be a good defender, but I've never seen it out of him. He had problems at Duke (didn't think he was featured enough) and has been injured off and on and was in the G league for a while. His outside shot has always been a problem.

I don't know too much about Risacher, except that he didn't have the type of rookie season to make him and Johnson the backbone of a Giannis trade.

I get the idea of throwing out trades, but this is Giannis. Come on.

[ReasonablySober]

Jalen Johnson headlines a package for Giannis and posters think this is a good idea?
:

Jalen Johnson, an All-Defense caliber wing, and last years #1 overall pick. Yes. It would be a good idea, especially if they’re throwing in picks.

Serous question. How did you determine that Jalen Johnson is one of the best defenders in the league? I never heard that about him or viewed him that way.

I did look at some of the sites that claim to rate defenders and the only one I found that had his name had him down as the 50th best defender.

I saw a ton of him in AAU.They had one of the best AAU teams I've seen, with lots of NBA or high college caliber players. He was the best of them in terms of talent, although Beekman was the heart and soul of the team.

He definitely has the athletic makeup to be a good defender, but I've never seen it out of him. He had problems at Duke (didn't think he was featured enough) and has been injured off and on and was in the G league for a while. His outside shot has always been a problem.

I don't know too much about Risacher, except that he didn't have the type of rookie season to make him and Johnson the backbone of a Giannis trade.

I get the idea of throwing out trades, but this Giannis. Come on.

Dyson Daniels.

[Plossum]

Meh, Flagg is the main target if we were to pull the trigger.

Failing that Zion, Murphy, #7 and getting our picks back would be acceptable.

[paulpressey25]

As I proposed last week, Giannis/Kuzma/Pat for Mobley/Garland is not a bad deal. The odds of all these magical picks from other teams actually turning into guys as good as Mobley/Garland is remote.

But that’s why I shill for a Houston deal with Amen/Sengun because then you not only get young floor raisers with upside, but can also get 5 good picks as well.