My First Redd Trade Proposal

[BrewersGM]

I would have to say this might work. Brand is leaving LA after the season. He doesnt want to be there. They dont have an outside shooter and a bonified scorer that Redd could offer... If Kaman continues to play at a high level intil the deadline Brand could get dealt... To who, who knows.... I'd love to have him here... That would take a load off Bogut....

[paulpressey25]

I read somewhere this week that Maggette is a FA after this season (or can opt out) and that he will. The Clips were looking to trade him somewhere and get something for him right now.

I think the smaller deal here is CV/Dez for Maggette. I only include Dez because the salaries need to work. Of course I realize we can't trade Dez twice.

In regards to Brand, if you could get him at a discount given his injury, I'd do it, but I can't see Sterling taking a big contract guy like Redd. He'd move Brand for expirings and big time prospects IMO.

I'd still try to work a Redd deal to get Gasol in here IMO if partly because it wouldn't signal the white-flag to this season. Maybe use Europa's idea of getting Redd to Dallas and Dallas sending something of value to Memphis. And as long as I'm dreaming, do the CV/Dez for Maggette deal. Adding Gasol and Maggette for Redd/CV/Dez would get me very interested in this team....realize it is a pipe dream though.

[worthlessBucks]

I see europa also has his sights on the Clipper's lotto pick, much like myself. I'd try to leave Redd out of this and just concentrate on getting that pick, assuming we are blowing it up and rebuilding.

[europa]

I can tell this is your first one. You need practice.

If by practice you mean coming up with Redd trades where the Bucks get bent over minus any lube I'll leave that to others. I prefer to come up with more realistic scenarios. Again, I don't think this trade has a chance of happening for the reasons I mentioned but it falls right in line with the McGrady rumor we heard yesterday. The two trades are quite similar. The main difference - and it's a big one - is the Clips including a 2008 pick. That one is huge as I said in my initial post. But the parameters of this proposal match up with the McGrady rumor in a lot of ways and that was my intent - to use that as a model as well as use the rumors floating around about Brand and Maggette.

I read somewhere this week that Maggette is a FA after this season (or can opt out) and that he will. The Clips were looking to trade him somewhere and get something for him right now.

I've heard both. He might opt out or he might not want to leave $8.4M guaranteed on the table. In any event, the Clips definitely would like to deal him if they can get something for him.

In regards to Brand, if you could get him at a discount given his injury, I'd do it, but I can't see Sterling taking a big contract guy like Redd. He'd move Brand for expirings and big time prospects IMO.

Quite possible. It really boils down to what Sterling would want to do. Is he looking to add another second-tier player to replace the one he wants or would he strip the team down, build around Kaman and go young? If it's the former, Redd becomes very appealing and plus getting Villanueva and the future first allows them to go young as well.

Again, I don't think this trade happens because ultimately I think Brand remains in LA. But if the rumors intensify that he wants out, it's a viable offer I think the Bucks should consider despite the risks that are attached to the trade on their end.

[Sigra]

And why we need PF to be on Yi's way again?

[europa]

And why we need PF to be on Yi's way again?

That's part of the risk associated with the trade from the Bucks' perspective. My belief is that Yi might be better suited to play SF and the Bucks still need a physical PF to play in the trenches. Others disagree and that's fine and if the Bucks believe without question that Yi is a PF than they wouldn't consider this offer. I'm just not sure what his ideal position for the future is going to be. He continues to look like a 7-foot SF to me given his skill set and the game he's shown thus far.

[nwy2211]

I am all for this trade, but dont know if the clips would include the first rounder. At this point I would be willing to trade redd straight up to any lotto bound team in which we would have a good chance in getting a top 7 pick. I really would like to see the bucks having 2 top 7 picks in next years draft. This is the best way to rebuild, correctly and quickly. The 08 draft class will be similar to the 03/04 class IMO.

[WEFFPIM]

I prefer to come up with more realistic scenarios.

But see, you're not. For realism, you're focusing more on the Clippers not wanting Maggette, rather than the Clippers wanting Brand. Why would the Clippers want to rid of Elton Brand?

[europa]

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But see, you're not. For realism, you're focusing more on the Clippers not wanting Maggette, rather than the Clippers wanting Brand. Why would the Clippers want to rid of Elton Brand?

They don't want to get rid of him but there are rumors he may not want to remain in LA and that he may turn down his option for next season and become a free agent. So if those rumors intensify, the Clippers could be looking to get something of value for him rather than seeing him walk away and get nothing in return. So yes, this is a realistic scenario. I wouldn't have brought it up if it wasn't. That doesn't mean it will happen but it's one which makes sense for both teams.

[showtimesam]

I like the deal as long as Yi can play sf which I'm not totally convinced of. But if he could the bucks would have some outstanding length, shotblocking, rebounding, and defense in their front line.

[ReasonablySober]

I think Maggette is a lock to leave the Clips but it wouldn't surprise me if Brand was planning to opt out as well. Personally, I wouldn't go near either.

[BrewersGM]

I think Maggette is a lock to leave the Clips but it wouldn't surprise me if Brand was planning to opt out as well. Personally, I wouldn't go near either.

I agree, both of them are gone... I dont see them staying... LA will suck once again...

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

There's no way that they give us their first round pick in that deal.

However, with the emergence of Kaman and the Clippers need for a real perimeter scorer they might consider it... And I would certainly consider it since I am a huge Elton Brand fan.

Thing about this trade though is if we do it we either have to move Yi or Bogut, because their isn't enough room on the front line for all of them. Yi might be able to play spot minutes at the 3 or play their based on certain match-ups, but no way is he a starting 3 who's going to play 20+ minutes a night at that position.

Once again that is foolish...YOU MAKE IT WORK!

Yi can play SF...if he gets beat Brand a shotblocker is there to help him.
Think people...think!

Think basketball you people! Yi can play SF! Tayshaun plays SF....You can play Bogut, Brand and Yi on the frontline with Maggette.

You forget the pick...stop trying to steal other teams picks!!!In fact, you are lucky they don't ask for our 1st round pick!

If Brand leaves...so what you are out from under Redd and Gadzuric's deals! And he might not leave. I love this deal too...

Elton Brand in the East would have us in the finals...soon. If the Bulls or Cavs had him back...they would go.

Great deal. And Maggette is Redd's equal. You would bring Yi off the bench once Brand is healthy anyways and start Simmons...

Then if Brand bolts next year you got Yi as your PF of the future or play him at SF.

Stop worrying about positional foolishess. If you can play you can play.

[BuckFan25226]

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Thanx for the summary, have to run and don't have time to read the post.

[Sigra]

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That's part of the risk associated with the trade from the Bucks' perspective. My belief is that Yi might be better suited to play SF and the Bucks still need a physical PF to play in the trenches. Others disagree and that's fine and if the Bucks believe without question that Yi is a PF than they wouldn't consider this offer. I'm just not sure what his ideal position for the future is going to be. He continues to look like a 7-foot SF to me given his skill set and the game he's shown thus far.

Is Dirk SF? Is Bosh SF? These are players that Yi has been compared to

[paulpressey25]

Tayshaun plays SF....

Interesting thought.....Tayshaun does play SF. I'd like to know what the coaches think of Tayshaun's mobility versus Yi and how they compare.

Using Tayshaun is a pretty good guy to benchmark against as to whether Yi might fit at SF. I just don't think Yi has the footspeed that Tayshaun does....

[Bernman]

This is not a terrible trade proposal because it's semi-realistic. However, trading Brand would disillusion Clippers' fans even more, and it's short-sighted for the Bucks. Why would we trade Redd when the primary components of the deal are expirings? Do we just need to unload him? If anybody needs to be unloaded, it's Maurice Williams. He'd be a solid player for another team, just not the Bucks. We're not winning anything this year by simply replacing one player, and not even the guy who is primarily the problem.

To piggyback Europa's trade with the Clippers, I'd like to re-post this 3-way deal in a thread which people are actually still reading hopefully. I think this isn't bad.

Chicago gets- Redd, Cassell, Villanueva, Voskuhl/Gadzuric
Milwaukee gets- Hinrich, Nocioni, J. Smith, Maggette
LAC gets- Mo Williams, Bell, Noah

Contracts are virtually even, though the trade checker said otherwise. Said only problem is Chicago, yet they have like 104 out, and 102 in (with Voskuhl). Don't get it.

Anyways, a deal like this would improve the Bucks' defense dramatically, as well as their offensive dynamic. No true #1, but I think that could work as a ballclub. Chicago gets a huge boost offensively, inside and out. Plus a guy with immense playoff experience and success in Sam Cassell. Clippers aren't going anywhere this year, and only give up two players with expirings, who won't help them achieve anything. In exchange they receive a long term answer at point guard to replace the aging Cassell and aging Livingston. Also get a prospect in Noah.

Bucks could then flip Simmons for one of the many overpaid backup centers w/ bulk in the league. Your trash is our treasure.

5 Bogut...Overpaid center...Gadzuric
4 Yi...J. Smith
3 Nocioni...D-Mase
2 Maggette...(D-Mase)
1 Hinrich...Sessions/Ivey

[paulpressey25]

Bern...your trade is great except that I don't see Chicago parting with Hinrich, Noc and Noah and only getting back Redd/CV and Gadz. They also may not view Cassell as worth anything.

We could make the lineup you propose work just fine.

[Debit One]

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With everything equal and Brand in the picture, Maggette >>>>> Kaman.

How much weed are you smoking there in Madison, Mr. Luke?

Centers are worth A LOT in the NBA. Hell, they are worth so much that we gave Dan Freaking Gadzuric a 6 year, $36M deal.

Kaman would demand, and get, huge money. He's a big C who rebounds well, blocks shots, can actually score in the post, and is pretty consistent. Contrast that with our C who rebounds OK, blocks fewer shots, cannot score in the post, and is inconsistent.

Kaman >>>>> Maggette