Bucks @ Sixers Post-game Thread

[europa]

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I disagree....without Redd there is obviously a talent drop off but you can also see that this is a far better brand of team basketball we are talking about.

I didn't see a real good brand of basketball in the only game the Bucks have played against a playoff-caliber team thus far without Redd. In fact, it was pretty damn awful. It's great that in the last two wins guys like Bell, Villanueva and Simmons have done more. That's been great to see. Is that due to Redd's absence? Perhaps. But the true test will come should Redd miss any more games when the competition gets a whole lot tougher.

[icat2000]

And I would welcome that opportunity because I can't see how keeping Redd will benefit the Bucks in the future.

[xTitan]

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I didn't see a real good brand of basketball in the only game the Bucks have played against a playoff-caliber team thus far without Redd. In fact, it was pretty damn awful. It's great that in the last two wins guys like Bell, Villanueva and Simmons have done more. That's been great to see. Is that due to Redd's absence? Perhaps. But the true test will come should Redd miss any more games when the competition gets a whole lot tougher.

I remember some aweful games recently...Denver/Detroit with Redd.......so if Redd comes back and they go back to the same old selfish one one basketball with Redd holding it until he takes a dazzling fade away jump shot....what does that tell us? All I heard Larry K. say tonight to Coshun was that the Bucks have been playing unselfish, team basketball and that needs to keep happening when Redd comes back....easy to read between the lines.

[europa]

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I remember some aweful games recently...Denver/Detroit with Redd.......so if Redd comes back and they go back to the same old selfish one one basketball with Redd holding it until he takes a dazzling fade away jump shot....what does that tell us? All I heard Larry K. say tonight to Coshun was that the Bucks have been playing unselfish, team basketball and that needs to keep happening when Redd comes back....easy to read between the lines.

You'll get no argument from me that the Bucks need to keep doing that and Redd needs to buy into this type of system. I also wonder how much better the team could be if Redd was healthy and guys like Bell, Villanueva and Simmons didn't stink up the joint most of the time. That's a factor - and in my opinion a significant one.

[rilamann]

I agree with Xtitan.

Sure the Bucks have a more talented team out there when Redd is on the floor but without Redd the Bucks seem to ''play the right way'' to steal one from Larry Brown.

It seems like Redd's selfishness contaminates the whole team when he is the floor opposed to the Bucks playing more of an unselfish team style of basketball without Redd.

Like a case of one bad apple spoiling the entire bunch.

[Max Green]

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You'll get no argument from me that the Bucks need to keep doing that and Redd needs to buy into this type of system. I also wonder how much better the team could be if Redd was healthy and guys like Bell, Villanueva and Simmons didn't stink up the joint most of the time. That's a factor - and in my opinion a significant one.

Exactly, it's not like Bell, Vil and Simmons were hitting open jumpers and actually doing anything of signifigance on the court and Redd was denying them the ball when they were hot, he only did it to Yi

[rilamann]

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Or perhaps Kukoc, Blake, Mags, and Ford are saying...." I told you so"

Yea I always found it funny that both Steve Blake & Tj Ford said almost the exact same things in their post game interviews after playing agianst the Bucks after they where traded from the Bucks.

Both guys taking shots at the Bucks and basically saying ''it was great to now play on a team where guys want to win and theres no egos''.

But they both made it sound with their tone they where talking about 1 or 2 guys not the whole team.

I could never put my finger on who they where talking about..


Im 110% certian who they where talking about now,it has become very apparent this season.

[europa]

Maybe those guys were right and Redd is the problem but I'll say this - Steve Blake needs to keep his trap shut when asked about his time with the Bucks. The less he says, the less chances he'll remind anyone what a completely worthless piece of crap he was with this team.

[kebzach]

An announced crowd of 10,045 was the third-lowest total at the Wachovia Center this season. It seemed as if only half of those who paid actually showed up.

[Bucks Fan Dave]

I hope Redd is learning how to share the ball by watching from the bench. The turnovers were pretty sick but the well balanced scoring was nice. Bogut with another clutch shot down the end.

p.s. lets all cheer for Charlie Bell and make him feel at home tomorrow?

[trwi7]

Okay I know this isn't about the Bucks but I was just watching NBA Fastbreak and one of their "analysts" said this about the Lakers/Grizzlies game.

"You know when you lose the 1st quarter by 16 and don't make up any ground the rest of the game you're going to have a tough time winning."

[Bucks Fan Dave]

sounds like Ted Davis on the radio when we stunk it up in the beginning of the third. "You can't score if you can't get any shots!"

[boknoy]

Bogut does that lefty pass from the back court to the streaking Williams who makes the basket plus a foul

[WEFFPIM]

An announced crowd of 10,045 was the third-lowest total at the Wachovia Center this season. It seemed as if only half of those who paid actually showed up.

Well, it's not like the Bucks are an attractive matchup for...anyone

[Nowak008]

Maybe those guys were right and Redd is the problem but I'll say this - Steve Blake needs to keep his trap shut when asked about his time with the Bucks. The less he says, the less chances he'll remind anyone what a completely worthless piece of crap he was with this team.

Quit giving pieces of crap a bad name.



First televised game I missed so far this year. Its good that we pulled off a win. Looking at the box score Mo 21/9 on 50%, Bogut with 13/12 and actually made 75% of his FT, and the Charlies were big off the bench... very nice to see.

Could anyone give any details on how we won?

[paul]

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Quit giving pieces of crap a bad name.



First televised game I missed so far this year. Its good that we pulled off a win. Looking at the box score Mo 21/9 on 50%, Bogut with 13/12 and actually made 75% of his FT, and the Charlies were big off the bench... very nice to see.

Could anyone give any details on how we won?

Was a game of runs, there were like 3 10-12 point advantage runs by each side in the game. Bucks looked to be reasonably comfortable most of the time but then the sixers would get a run going and it ended pretty tight.
Two biggest plays were charlie v coming up with a prayer high glasser as the 24 was about to expire late, and then we were up two with about 30 secs to play on our possession, we moved the ball around until CV caught on the perimeter and made a strong move at the hole, he missed the drive but bogut came up with a huge tip in to hit his second game winner in 2 games.

Ball movement on offense was really good again, inside out game worked a treat. Bell, Bogut, CV and Mo were all excellent, Bell's jumper looked good again believe it or not, Simmons was ok and Yi was absent again, haven't checked the box but at one stage he was 0-7. Solid win against an average team in a not even half full arena, but the team ball was nice to watch. How's that?

[Sigra]

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Simmons has sucked on D all year and at least CV gives scoring and rebounding. Simmons has had like one good game all damn year. Simmons should not be starting. No way, no how.

Not true anymore. Simmons is good this days. He do all little things and even play good defense. Last night, for example, he had Igy under control for most of the game (Igy scored some when CV was SF). Simmons should start from now on.

And Yi should not. At this moment Yi is not as good as CV. I am talking about that for weeks now. Start CV please. If he has defansive poblems then go with Yi.

2 of the biggest mistakes that Krystkowiak made were when he didn't start Simmons and CV in season opener. That hurt their confidence and moral and they are 2 of our 6 best players. Yi is rookie. He wouldn't mind playing from bench. Maybe Krystkowiak wanted to start CV but mgmt forced him to go with Yi because of "the promise". Who knows.

What I know for sure is that Yi is rookie and nowhere near a player that CV is right now. And healthy Bobby is still one of our most talented players. No metter how many people hate him

[Sigra]

Maybe those guys were right and Redd is the problem but I'll say this - Steve Blake needs to keep his trap shut when asked about his time with the Bucks. The less he says, the less chances he'll remind anyone what a completely worthless piece of crap he was with this team.

He was a completely worthless piece of crap with Redd. He looked good before and after Redd. Just like many other players looked good and talented before and after Redd but never with Redd.

[paul]

Not true anymore. Simmons is good this days. He do all little things and even play good defense. Last night, for example, he had Igy under control for most of the game (Igy scored some when CV was SF). Simmons should start from now on.

And Yi should not. At this moment Yi is not as good as CV. I am talking about that for weeks now. Start CV please. If he has defansive poblems then go with Yi.

2 of the biggest mistakes that Krystkowiak made were when he didn't start Simmons and CV in season opener. That hurt their confidence and moral and they are 2 of our 6 best players. Yi is rookie. He wouldn't mind playing from bench. Maybe Krystkowiak wanted to start CV but mgmt forced him to go with Yi because of "the promise". Who knows.

What I know for sure is that Yi is rookie and nowhere near a player that CV is right now. And healthy Bobby is still one of our most talented players. No metter how many people hate him

Agreed, i too have been saying since the start of the season simmons and cv should be starting and should have started from the first game. There is just no way Yi is as big a threat on offense as CV right now, not even in the same league, and his D isn't that much better than charlies. Yi apart from his breakout game has actually been in a hole for a while now. The way i see it Lk has two problems.
1. He has to swallow his pride after possibly trying to make an example of CV and
2. Yi will be expecting to start now, and could get upset at getting benched. Had he have started the season on the bench and been made to earn his stripes like virtually every other rookie this isn't an issue.

Both of these problems were caused by LK for various reasons as i see it, so he needs to fix them.

Simmons in his prime is the best 3 on this team by the length of the BC floor, and therefore must start. I'm seeing better signs out of him in the past couple of weeks, we need to persist with him and do what we can to help him get back to somewhere near his potential level, it will help us immensely if he can. And if as rumored he is up for trade, more minutes and better play will enhance his value and give us a stronger trade position.

[g77g77]

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i agree that CV needs to start, and LK must be able to make adjustments as the season go, who works hard and play team ball should play, Yi is a rookie and LK say he do what he's told to do, so i don't see any problem there.