Bucks-Jazz Postgame Thread 1/14/08

[europa]

Yi was the right pick at 6. No one can name a player better taken after him, not even close.

I'm not saying he was a bad pick. I'm saying the fact that he's a major project is one of the reasons why this team is struggling this season. It has to rely heavily on a major project and he simply isn't ready for such a role. That doesn't mean he sucks or that the Bucks made a bad pick; it just means their team composition is so horrible a rookie who isn't ready to make a big impact is being forced to try and make a big impact before his time.

[okanoho]

I can. Ramon Sessions.

remember?
boddy was called up in D-League because he WAS doing too good there

[LUKE23]

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I'm not saying he was a bad pick. I'm saying the fact that he's a major project is one of the reasons why this team is struggling this season. It has to rely heavily on a major project and he simply isn't ready for such a role. That doesn't mean he sucks or that the Bucks made a bad pick; it just means their team composition is so horrible a rookie who isn't ready to make a big impact is being forced to try and make a big impact before his time.

I don't consider him a project more than anyone else taken after #6.

And I am always in the "draft BPA" camp. In every sport and always will be. You don't win by drafting on need.

How he is being used can be questioned, but given our PF options, it's a tough river to wade...

[Simulack]

We rarely agree, but really, how much worse can CV be than Yi is the last 10 or so games?

I agree. Its another excuse but its tough to perform when your minutes are as inconsistent as CV's.

On these nights when Yi is really, really struggling, if we start giving CV more time I think we'd probably start seeing some better production... at least the typical 15/8 type "good" CV game with porous defense often enough if he starts getting 30 minutes...

Anyway, I do agree with those who believe incongruityis a major issue. Redd and Bogut are the best example. How often do they both have good games on the same night?

Our pieces never seem to fit well.

[Kerb Hohl]

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I'm not saying he was a bad pick. I'm saying the fact that he's a major project is one of the reasons why this team is struggling this season. It has to rely heavily on a major project and he simply isn't ready for such a role. That doesn't mean he sucks or that the Bucks made a bad pick; it just means their team composition is so horrible a rookie who isn't ready to make a big impact is being forced to try and make a big impact before his time.

I'm pretty sure most teams in the NBA expect to give some quality time to their top 10 picks. I'd rather give the ball to Yi every single play of the game and let him develop than watch Redd "carry" us to a 30 win season.

[Superfito]

Oh Lordy, the attitude around here would be so different if the ping pong balls would've fallen differently.

[Comet]

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I'm not giving up on him but the problem is he's a major project and this team didn't need a major project. It needed an immediate impact player with the sixth pick in the draft. In time, Yi may be a good player and possibly a very good player but that isn't helping the Bucks now. And when you consider how worthless Villanueva is most of the time it just puts the Bucks at such a major disadvantage at the PF position. And that's on top of the fact this team doesn't have a SF.

Yeah he wasn't exactly the most NBA-ready player in the draft but I preach taking the best player available.

Also, I wouldn't exactly call Yi a "major project". If he was, LK would have no problem starting CV over Yi because Yi has shown flashed of brilliance this year. And hey, it's his rookie season, he's going to have his ups-and-downs. Yao Ming was wildly inconsistent his rookie season, yet it didn't take long for him to become a superstar. Now he's the best center in the league.

[europa]

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I don't consider him a project more than anyone else taken after #6.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I think he is a major project. I like the skill set and the potential but he should be getting about 10-15 minutes per game most nights. He just isn't ready for a major role on a good team yet.

[okanoho]

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We'll have to agree to disagree then. I think he is a major project. I like the skill set and the potential but he should be getting about 10-15 minutes per game most nights. He just isn't ready for a major role on a good team yet.

sorry, we are not a good team
not even a decent team
at all

[xTitan]

Don't know why Yi is the major subject of conversation...he wasn't the one freezing out Bogut in the 4th firing stupid, ugly 3 point shot after 3 point shot.....weren't the Bucks 1-16 in the fourth until Bogut's token dunk? How the hell stupid is this team? They are saddled with SO many bad contracts.

[europa]

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sorry, we are not a good team
not even a decent team
at all

I agree. This is a bad team. My point is that if Yi was on a good team he wouldn't be getting many minutes because he isn't ready for them. But on this team he's forced into playing more minutes than he probably should be as a rookie.

[Simulack]

I'm pretty sure most teams in the NBA expect to give some quality time to their top 10 picks. I'd rather give the ball to Yi every single play of the game and let him develop than watch Redd "carry" us to a 30 win season.

I don't know the stats but Yi's gotta be among the league leaders in shot attempts.

He's obviously not the type of player you can just "feed" the ball over and over because right now that would be a disaster that could kill his confidence. He has little ability to create his own shot at this point in time. Since right now he isn't even hitting the open ones, I don't see how feeding him the ball in a situation where is doomed to fail is going to help develop him.

Anyway, even though I'm a "Mo guy" I'm starting to not even care as long as one of our back court is traded.

[europa]

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Anyway, even though I'm a "Mo guy" I'm starting to not even care as long as one of our back court is traded.

I'd trade both of them if it could bring back a PG like Deron Williams.

[Stopshere2]

Just turned Sparky on. Knew he'd be self-immolating over the 4th qtr chucking and giving no shots to Bogut.

LOL a caller just said we have 15 Tyrell Owens on the Bucks.

[Kerb Hohl]

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We'll have to agree to disagree then. I think he is a major project. I like the skill set and the potential but he should be getting about 10-15 minutes per game most nights. He just isn't ready for a major role on a good team yet.

Well lets see...who was taken 6th in the draft last year?

I believe he won rookie of the year and is a star already.

Obviously, the draft classes are different but what I'm saying is if you let the 6th pick develop, and that includes failure...you're better for it in the long run.

Honestly I'd like to get the ball to CV, Yi, and Bogut and let them direct the offense...run Redd out of town and you can do that. Look at what the Blazers did in 2 seasons letting Roy and Aldridge develop. Why do we even toil with mediocrity? I honestly don't care if we win 25 games as long as we can season our future guys. I hope we do the same as the Blazers did and trade our black hole (Randolph for them).

[WEFFPIM]

I'd trade both of them if it could bring back a PG like Deron Williams.

But it won't. Not even close.

[Kerb Hohl]

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I'd trade both of them if it could bring back a PG like Deron Williams.

I doubt they'd make that move. Hmmm a franchise PG that is in his early 20s or 2 selfish chuckers who have never won anything?

[okanoho]

haahaha randolph for blazers
they are brave
and now they are just way too good for the bucks to beat

[xTitan]

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I'd trade both of them if it could bring back a PG like Deron Williams.

I posted on here after William's rookie year I would have traded Redd for him straight up, and thats before William's hit his stride......he is just such a smart leader.

[rilamann]

So are me & Xtitan still ''Bogut nut huggers'' for wanting the Bucks to use Bogut more often or does Bogut have to have a few more 20+ & 10+ games for us to be guys who just want whats best for the Bucks.

Like I been saying for months Bogut is a confidence player,let Bogut touch the ball on a consistient bases and his confidence will go up and so will his production.

Like I also been saying,Bogut is a winner surrounded by a bunch of me first cancers.Put Bogut in a positive/winning sistuation and he'll probably be an all star.

One more thing,where the hell is classicjack? Dude has been MIA since the Bucks put in more plays for Bogut.


As for the game horrible coaching by Larry K,just awful.