Amare to the Bucks?

REDDzone · Post #41 » by **REDDzone** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:21 pm

paul wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Nope it was a direct response to the post I quoted saying 'if bogut puts up 18/10 and your bring in amare.......'
Didn't say I care if he doesn't, said that with amare beside him he won't.

Ahhh, makes more sense now. And I agree with that.

That's why its good that Bogut can defend and pass the ball.

75totheMACCfund · Post #42 » by **75totheMACCfund** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:21 pm

i have no problem parting ways with Yi for Amare.

europa · Post #43 » by **europa** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:22 pm

You're right Luke, but 21/9 is still pretty darn good for a 21-year-old player in his second season. It's still a misconception that Nash made these players who they are. Both Marion and Stoudamire put up very good numbers before his arrival. That doesn't diminish Nash's greatness; it merely means the chances of either of those players performing poorly away from him are highly remote in my opinion.

showtimesam · Post #44 » by **showtimesam** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:22 pm

REDDzone wrote:
I doubt there's anyway bogut puts up 18/10 beside amare

I understand you would do the deal, but about the statement above...

Who cares?

We would be winning, I see no way the First Team All-NBA Center doesn't dominate the East.

Exactly, it would be a franchise changing move. All of a sudden the bucks are a yearly contender in the east.

Also, this trade makes bogut better. Bogut just wants to win, who cares if his points go down. I think bogut and Amare would be absolutely lethal. I can also picture bogut feeding amare some sweet passes down low.

nwy2211 · Post #45 » by **nwy2211** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:22 pm

Doesnt matter, Suns can get better value in a trade with another team. Redd's salary as mentioned earlier in this thread is a killer, i thought the suns are looking to shed some payroll.

Rockmaninoff · Post #46 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:24 pm

But, would he want to be here? Would he talk bad about Milwaukee? These are the really important questions.

Like someone said earlier (CBQ?), Amare would work better with Yi than with Bogut. I like the potential (and the pay scale) of Bogut and Yi, better than I like the idea of Bogut and Amare, or Yi and Amare. But, if the team wants to make this type of trade....

Newz · Post #47 » by **Newz** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:25 pm

europa wrote:You're right Luke, but 21/9 is still pretty darn good for a 21-year-old player in his second season. It's still a misconception that Nash made these players who they are. Both Marion and Stoudamire put up very good numbers before his arrival. That doesn't diminish Nash's greatness; it merely means the chances of either of those players performing poorly away from him are highly remote in my opinion.

Amare is a all-star without Nash and a superstar with him...

Nash makes everyone around him a lot better... Not just better, but a lot better.

Marion and Amare are both great players without him, but even better with him.

I would love to see what Redd could do with Nash. I think he could toss up 20-25 PPG on around 50% shooting and 40% 3 point.

Sigra · Post #48 » by **Sigra** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:25 pm

Suns would not trade for Redd. It make no sense for them. They want to get rid of salary problems. Redd's contract is worse than Amare.

The only way that Suns do this is Simmons, Yi, Voskuhl for Amare. Generaly I am all for trading Yi for proven player but Amare's defense is terible thing and I don't want that kind of defender in frontcourt. Sure he blocks shots but he is terrible defender.

europa · Post #49 » by **europa** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:30 pm

LukePliska wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Amare is a all-star without Nash and a superstar with him...

Nash makes everyone around him a lot better... Not just better, but a lot better.

Marion and Amare are both great players without him, but even better with him.

I would love to see what Redd could do with Nash. I think he could toss up 20-25 PPG on around 50% shooting and 40% 3 point.

A Nash-Redd backcourt would be ridiculous. I doubt anybody in the West would want to face that in the playoffs. That would be a lethal combination.

And Luke, I'm in complete agreement about how good Nash is. I love the guy. I'm just saying that anyone who would be worried about Stoudamire's game (or Marion's) falling off substantially away from him is doing so without foundation in my opinion.

Newz · Post #50 » by **Newz** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:30 pm

europa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

A Nash-Redd backcourt would be ridiculous. I doubt anybody in the West would want to face that in the playoffs. That would be a lethal combination.

And Luke, I'm in complete agreement about how good Nash is. I love the guy. I'm just saying that anyone who would be worried about Stoudamire's game (or Marion's) falling off substantially away from him is doing so without foundation in my opinion.

Agreed.

Kablooie · Post #51 » by **Kablooie** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:31 pm

Sigra wrote:Suns would not trade for Redd. It make no sense for them. They want to get rid of salary problems. Redd's contract is worse than Amare.

The only way that Suns do this is Simmons, Yi, Voskuhl for Amare. Generaly I am all for trading Yi for proven player but Amare's defense is terible thing and I don't want that kind of defender in frontcourt. Sure he blocks shots but he is terrible defender.

So instead of Redd they want a slightly smaller, far crappier contract and a small expiring one? Interesting... but that's great. Maybe they would rather have Charlie Bell instead of Yi, too!

Newz · Post #52 » by **Newz** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:32 pm

Sigra wrote:Suns would not trade for Redd. It make no sense for them. They want to get rid of salary problems. Redd's contract is worse than Amare.

The only way that Suns do this is Simmons, Yi, Voskuhl for Amare. Generaly I am all for trading Yi for proven player but Amare's defense is terible thing and I don't want that kind of defender in frontcourt. Sure he blocks shots but he is terrible defender.

The Suns are not going to trade for Simmons, Yi and Voshkuhl. They are no longer a contender after that trade and they would take the massive talent downgrade from Redd to Simmons to save just 5 million next season?

Yeah... That's realistic. :rofl:

paul · Post #53 » by **paul** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:32 pm

Sigra wrote:Suns would not trade for Redd. It make no sense for them. They want to get rid of salary problems. Redd's contract is worse than Amare.

The only way that Suns do this is Simmons, Yi, Voskuhl for Amare. Generaly I am all for trading Yi for proven player but Amare's defense is terible thing and I don't want that kind of defender in frontcourt. Sure he blocks shots but he is terrible defender.

I think amare is a pretty poor defender on the block, but we have a good post defender right now in bogut and I think amare would look much better guarding the more athletic 4 while bogut bangs on the block. Honestly I think Amare would be a better 4 defender than Yi is now, I see no great problem with our inside defense with Amare/Bogut, I think it would be an improvement on our current interior D. Plus the thing to remember is we would score, big.

Sigra · Post #54 » by **Sigra** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:35 pm

Redd: $15,780,000, $17,040,000, $18,300,000
Simmons: $9,920,000, $10,560,000

Slightly smaller? You are going on ignore list right now

Kablooie · Post #55 » by **Kablooie** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:38 pm

Sigra wrote:Redd: $15,780,000, $17,040,000, $18,300,000
Simmons: $9,920,000, $10,560,000

Slightly smaller? You are going on ignore list right now

It's only slightly when you consider that one of them shouldn't be playing in the NBA right now. I'd add you to my ignore, but I can't understand most of what you say anyway, so there isn't much point.

Newz · Post #56 » by **Newz** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:43 pm

Like I said... My favorite deal is:

Redd + Gadzuric + Yi + 1st (If needed) for Stoudamire + Diaw + Banks

This gives us a massive upgrade at the PF and SF spots. It saves the Suns around 4 million dollar in salary next season which is big for them.

Nash/Redd/Bell/Marion/Gadzuric with Barbosa/Hill/Yi/Skinner off of the bench is a line-up and bench I think is just as good, if not better than the one they have now. I think Gadzuric would really thrive in their system and their bench would get a major upgrade... Not to mention they get a big time young talent in Yi.

Makes sense for both teams, IMO.

75totheMACCfund · Post #57 » by **75totheMACCfund** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:47 pm

LukePliska wrote:Like I said... My favorite deal is:

Redd + Gadzuric + Yi + 1st (If needed) for Stoudamire + Diaw + Banks

This gives us a massive upgrade at the PF and SF spots. It saves the Suns around 4 million dollar in salary next season which is big for them.

Nash/Redd/Bell/Marion/Gadzuric with Barbosa/Hill/Yi/Skinner off of the bench is a line-up and bench I think is just as good, if not better than the one they have now. I think Gadzuric would really thrive in their system and their bench would get a major upgrade... Not to mention they get a big time young talent in Yi.

Makes sense for both teams, IMO.

you think steve kerry is dumb enough to allow the prospect of dan gadzuric guarding tim duncan in the WCF to occur?

europa · Post #58 » by **europa** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:47 pm

LukePliska wrote:Like I said... My favorite deal is:

Redd + Gadzuric + Yi + 1st (If needed) for Stoudamire + Diaw + Banks

Works for me. I still can't see the Suns dealing Stoudamire during the season given the massive downgrade they're going to get in all probability at the center position. But if they are determined to be rid of him, this deal would make sense for them. Hopefully it wouldn't need Milwaukee's 2008 first and I think the offer is good enough that it shouldn't - assuming they are still high on Yi. Good luck to them trying to stop Duncan if they get that matchup. At least with Stoudamire, they could counter his inside scoring with post scoring of their own. But we're both in agreement I think that a Nash-Redd backcourt would likely be one of the best - if not the best - in the league.

From the Bucks' perspective, the Bucks get a major upgrade in the frontcourt and at SF where Diaw could slide in. Plus Diaw's versatility enables him to play anywhere. Banks has a bad contract but is actually starting to play a bit better so he could possibly be a serviceable reserve until the time comes to trade him again.

Newz · Post #59 » by **Newz** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:48 pm

75totheMACCfund wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

you think steve kerry is dumb enough to allow the prospect of dan gadzuric guarding tim duncan in the WCF to occur?

He's dumb enough to allow the prospect of Brian Skinner, Amare Stoudamire and Shawn Marion do it... I think Gadzuric could do just as good of a job on him as any of those guys. In fact he may be a better post defender than any of them.

Whiteman · Post #60 » by **Whiteman** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:48 pm

Rockmaninoff wrote:Like someone said earlier (CBQ?), Amare would work better with Yi than with Bogut. I like the potential (and the pay scale) of Bogut and Yi, better than I like the idea of Bogut and Amare, or Yi and Amare. But, if the team wants to make this type of trade....

Yi and Amare are both quite poor post defenders and defensive rebounders. Bogut and Amare complement each other much better imo.