Another version of team meeting

BobbyLight · Post #41 » by **BobbyLight** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:38 pm

Rockmaninoff wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He gets the ball less and gets to set screens more.

Honestly the Pick and Roll game, with Yi setting screens, is a good idea. Yi's biggest assets most nights is jump shooting. This gives him an open shot many times a game.

jerrod · Post #42 » by **jerrod** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:43 pm

i would say last year's offense plays to yi's strengths more now than dumping it down to him in the post

bango_the_buck · Post #43 » by **bango_the_buck** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:43 pm

This is what midranger and others were implying when they were talking about context. Taking what Mo said to mean, 'Shut up. You don't make enough money to have an opinion.' is very different from taking it to mean, 'Shut up. You're not a Saint. You're just looking to get paid.'. If Bogut actually did sit down and shut up after Mo spoke up, it would make a lot more sense that the later version was accurate...

Rockmaninoff · Post #44 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:47 pm

2ss2ls wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Honestly the Pick and Roll game, with Yi setting screens, is a good idea. Yi's biggest assets most nights is jump shooting. This gives him an open shot many times a game.

Correct, if he gets the ball after setting the pick.

Rockmaninoff · Post #45 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:49 pm

jerrod wrote:i would say last year's offense plays to yi's strengths more now than dumping it down to him in the post

That's true, but it really doesn't develop the weak parts of his game. I guess the 8th seed is worth it...

smooth 'lil balla · Post #46 » by **smooth 'lil balla** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:49 pm

jerrod wrote:hmmmmm

the only thing i'm going to comment on is that i thought last night for the most part was a decent combination of the 2 distinct offenses from the last 2 years.

Bingo!

It wasn't last years, and it wasn't this years either. We looked good last night.

Sigra's version makes way more sense.

jerrod · Post #47 » by **jerrod** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:50 pm

a team with a decent head coach doesn't pick between post ups and pick and rolls, they're able to use both.

and we need a pace in between breakneck and plodding

xTitan · Post #48 » by **xTitan** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:53 pm

jerrod wrote:a team with a decent head coach doesn't pick between post ups and pick and rolls, they're able to use both.

and we need a pace in between breakneck and plodding

Part of that is the coach but that is where a true PG or point anything comes into play. You watched Chris Paul last night, he is not always 100MPH, he dominates on the break as well as the halfcourt...but all the good ones do......The Bucks are probably just a very good PG away from being a slightly better then average team.

75totheMACCfund · Post #49 » by **75totheMACCfund** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:57 pm

didn't buckSkinsfan all but say that Europa's description of what occurred was correct?

Fight the Tank · Post #50 » by **Fight the Tank** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:58 pm

xTitan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Part of that is the coach but that is where a true PG or point anything comes into play. You watched Chris Paul last night, he is not always 100MPH, he dominates on the break as well as the halfcourt...but all the good ones do......The Bucks are probably just a very good PG away from being a slightly better then average team.

You mean TJ Ford..... :banghead:

jerrod · Post #51 » by **jerrod** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:59 pm

xTitan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Part of that is the coach but that is where a true PG or point anything comes into play. You watched Chris Paul last night, he is not always 100MPH, he dominates on the break as well as the halfcourt...but all the good ones do......The Bucks are probably just a very good PG away from being a slightly better then average team.

of course, adding a top 3 player at any position would drastically help this team. but we've seen the post ups work with mo at the point, and we've seen the fast breaks work with mo at the point.

i still believe we just need to tweak the roster (move redd for what we can get, and then add a pass first backup point and a defender at the 3) and get an experienced coach, our options are so limited that i'm starting relent on my larry brown hatred just a little

Post #52 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:01 pm

xTitan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Part of that is the coach but that is where a true PG or point anything comes into play. You watched Chris Paul last night, he is not always 100MPH, he dominates on the break as well as the halfcourt...but all the good ones do......The Bucks are probably just a very good PG away from being a slightly better then average team.

I think a lot of teams could say that. Put Paul, Davis, Kidd, Nash or Williams on Philly, Chicago, Indiana, or Atlanta and you're probably talking 45 wins, minimum. But that's five PGs out of the 85 or so there are in the NBA. There aren't a lot of game changing type PGs that can really, truly make a good team great or an average team good, etc. Maybe we get lucky and Rose falls in our lap come draft day.

jerrod · Post #53 » by **jerrod** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:01 pm

Rockmaninoff wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That's true, but it really doesn't develop the weak parts of his game. I guess the 8th seed is worth it...

i think most of that development will come in practice, but this doesn't mean he'd never get the ball in the post. we just wouldn't try to force it when it's not working

Post #54 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:01 pm

75totheMACCfund wrote:didn't buckSkinsfan all but say that Europa's description of what occurred was correct?

He didn't know.

Taurus · Post #55 » by **Taurus** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:03 pm

Well if this version is true then I have never been more convinced that this team will ever win with LK as coach.

How can he agree to let the players dictate the style of play, especially players that have never won anything?

smauss · Post #56 » by **smauss** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:16 pm

Whether Ilhan's or europa's account is the most accurate, this team, as constructed, is an absolute disaster and will never succeed! I know this is no big revelation to some of us, who have been saying this for quite a while.

xTitan, you and I agree on more than we disagree about relating to this team and I think this sums up my position if the chuck brothers, with the approval of the coach, have in fact "fallen off the wagon......

xTitan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yes Bogut getting 8 shots in a game looked very familiar, as did the loss....if this were to be true then trade Bogut and lose under that terrible, ball hogging, back court.......time to set Bogut free. They didn't win last year either.....they had a 6 game win streak and I blieve 5 of those teams were under .500....I find it hilarious Mo Williams calling someone selfish.

Personally, I'm sick of it all!

SupremeHustle · Post #57 » by **SupremeHustle** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:27 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Good to see CBQ is still keeping up with Ilhan.

msiris · Post #58 » by **msiris** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:29 pm

Ilhan and Europa have never seen eye to eye and this dates back a long time. All we know is that something happened. But in all reality its does not really matter. Who goes and who stays is a matter of personal opinion. I am not a big Mo fan and never have been. I am not really a big fan of any player on this team. I wonder why?

xTitan · Post #59 » by **xTitan** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:29 pm

Bogutneedsball wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You mean TJ Ford.....

Absolutely...he was not great but he wa s a natural PG who knew how to run a team and although he got posted up he never was beaten easily off the dribble....trading Ford before having a replacement was the beginning of this teams downfall.

xTitan · Post #60 » by **xTitan** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:33 pm

DrugBust wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I think a lot of teams could say that. Put Paul, Davis, Kidd, Nash or Williams on Philly, Chicago, Indiana, or Atlanta and you're probably talking 45 wins, minimum. But that's five PGs out of the 85 or so there are in the NBA. There aren't a lot of game changing type PGs that can really, truly make a good team great or an average team good, etc. Maybe we get lucky and Rose falls in our lap come draft day.

Doesn't have to just be a PG....can be a 2 or 3 that plays that role...James, Wade, Roy,.......are 3 that come to mind. You need someone with a high basketball IQ to run your team...basically what you said is correct, teams that don't have that don't win.