#12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert

[worthlessBucks]

Naturally, a Bucks move. Marginal playoff fodder to marginal playoff fodder w/ a center. I must say, I hope it doesn't work out.

I do however love me some Rockets.

[LUKE23]

Dalembert is better in 2012-13 than any center we take at 12 or can sign in FA. Nobody is arguing that win now is good, but for win now, this easily trumps drafting a big or signing someone like Kaman. Hell, this likely prevents us from drafting a big.

By what measure? Dalembert averaged 7 and 7 on a mediocre Rockets team. Sanders could do that, Udoh could do that. Dan Gadzuric did that. He sucks, no other way about it.[/quote]

You think a rookie C or a guy like Kaman is going to have the overall impact Dalembert had last year? He was 7.5/7/1.7 @ .551 in 22 minutes last year. I'll wager anything no rookie or journeyman FA C replicates that production.

Nobody is debating we got Dwight Howard here, but Dalembert is without any doubt better than other C options for 12-13.

[Baddy Chuck]

Why did we give up Leuer exactly?

[raferfenix]

If Hammond was given a mandate to win now while still positioning the team to be sold, then this trade is a very good one for him.

Much better than taking a big man at #12 only for short term gain or spending stupid money on the likes of Chris Kaman.

[Newz]

Actually, this recent trade makes more sense than any of his draft day trades. Not that that is saying much. At least this one actually does help win now, even if people disagree with the direction. I hope you realize you're debating with someone who despises Hammond here.

But Leuer was signed for one more year at peanuts. He likely never would have even played enough to warrant a legitimate extension discussion. He's a decent young guy, but not worth getting pissed over. We have plenty of mediocre young PF/C prospects.

This.

Very few people like the direction of this team. But it's still nice to be able to talk basketball and how this impacts our W/L without just ripping apart every move.

We know the direction of the team sucks, but we still want to talk basketball.

[Bucksfans1and2]

Dalembert is better in 2012-13 than any center we take at 12 or can sign in FA. Nobody is arguing that win now is good, but for win now, this easily trumps drafting a big or signing someone like Kaman. Hell, this likely prevents us from drafting a big.

By what measure? Dalembert averaged 7 and 7 on a mediocre Rockets team. Sanders could do that, Udoh could do that. Dan Gadzuric did that. He sucks, no other way about it.

You think a rookie C or a guy like Kaman is going to have the overall impact Dalembert had last year? He was 7.5/7/1.7 @ .551 in 22 minutes last year. I'll wager anything no rookie or journeyman FA C replicates that production.

Nobody is debating we got Dwight Howard here, but Dalembert is without any doubt better than other C options for 12-13.[/quote]

I thought you were on #TeamSanders with me

[SpursNBucks]

And what evidence is there that a tear down is remotely inevitable?

Hasn't Kohl indicated that he thinks the team needs to win in order to be more attractive for a new owner, as well as for a stadium deal to ever get done?

We all wish we'd blow it up properly...but if that's not happening, us finding some way to get into the 45-55 win sphere for a few years would still be great for a franchise over 10 years removed from the Big 3 days.

A team full of average players and journeymen who could possibly slide into the playoffs is not attractive to a fan base that has left and any new potential owner. What very well might be attractive to new ownership is a lot of cap room and no toxic contracts, perhaps this would be the most positive outcome with having tons of cap room next year. If you also consider the fact the GM and coach are up after next season, perhaps Herbie is thinking of selling.

What if Jennings takes another step- and become a top 7 PG. Given they have a whole off-season, preseason, and regular season- what if the Bucks interior defense with Dalembert, Sanders, and Udoh become one of the toughest in the NBA. The up-tempo style of Jennings/Ellis clicks? You just don't know. I think this will make the upcoming season a little more interesting and they gave up very little to do it.

[msiris]

I love the "Dalembert is solid" posts. That's great. We added a role playing center to a crappy team about to lose its best player in FA. This is another treading water, directionless move that accomplishes nothing.

So we're supposed to stand pat and lose Ersan? Ok.

So we are supposed to overpay him for a great 1/2 of a season? Seen that movie too often. If we where smart we should have moved him at the deadline and got a pick. Now we might lose him no matter what.

[europa]

Is that because you anticipate a regression in performance?

Yes. I tend to be very wary of players who significantly and unexpectedly outproduce career norms - especially in a contract year. I don't worry about Ilyasova getting paid and not continuing to work hard. But he strikes me as a great example of someone who will regress to the mean going forward.

[AussieBuck]

This sucks. I hate this team.

This hardly kills the stealth tank. Dalembert isn't very good although he can play man D. Hammond will think this frees up Gooden to start at PF so we are still boned. Gooden goes back to a crap shooting %, Dalembert finally gets the freedom from Skiles to take the bad jumpers he's been stopped from taking for years and we still lose the gimmick spacing. Some more D, less offense. We still suck. If he was just used as a 20 minute a game big body with Ersan resigned and Gooden amnestied we'd have a solid team but we know that isn't happening. I'll just take the small win that we are a little less likely to take Zeller now.

[RiotPunch]

By what measure? Dalembert averaged 7 and 7 on a mediocre Rockets team. Sanders could do that, Udoh could do that. Dan Gadzuric did that. He sucks, no other way about it.

In 22 minutes on good efficiency? I doubt it. I hate the fact that we're going win-now as much as you do, but that doesn't negate the fact that this is a good trade from a value perspective. Not seeing your logic, I just think it's clouded by your distaste for the direction we're going. I get and understand that completely, but that doesn't mean that all of a sudden Dalembert is a **** player. He is a rock solid center, and we got him for moving back 2 spots. He is expiring and this hopefully means no Kaman/Zeller/Leonard.

[Nebula1]

Ersan should not be brought back.

[LUKE23]

I thought you were on #TeamSanders with me

I'd still play Sanders. I'm talking options not currently on the roster.

As it stands though, we have a logjam again. I expect Dalembert to get around 25 minutes, and Sanders/Udoh to fight for the remaining scraps.

[A-HA]

Is that because you anticipate a regression in performance?

Yes. I tend to be very wary of players who significantly and unexpectedly outproduce career norms - especially in a contract year. I don't worry about Ilyasova getting paid and not continuing to work hard. But he strikes me as a great example of someone who will regress to the mean going forward.

a la John Salmons... that's a fair concern.

[Bucksfans1and2]

Ersan should not be brought back.

So we're going to have a worse record next year?

[jr lucosa]

Ersan should not be brought back.

Yeah, let him walk.

[Baddy Chuck]

I like the collection of big men who can't score at all, more jumpers for dumb and dumber!

[buckboy]

I find it hilarious that anybody thinks Leuer was better than Sanders last year.

I would've preferred to keep him, but he's no big loss at all IMO.

[xTitan]

Ersan should not be brought back.

He is the only guy who can rebound on this damn team, not to mention how many balls he keeps alive on the offensive glass...throw in his ability to space the floor.....what other "big" on this team can space the floor?

[skones]

I love the "Dalembert is solid" posts. That's great. We added a role playing center to a crappy team about to lose its best player in FA. This is another treading water, directionless move that accomplishes nothing.

So we're supposed to stand pat and lose Ersan? Ok.

So we are supposed to overpay him for a great 1/2 of a season? Seen that movie too often. If we where smart we should have moved him at the deadline and got a pick. Now we might lose him no matter what.

6.7 million is NOT overpaying a guy who's likely going to put up 8 and 8 or better for your ball club and start at Center.

Also, this whole, moving Ersan at the deadline business is a little absurd. Everyone bitches and moans about doing that, but the fact of the matter remains, that players at the deadline do NOT have a ton of value when they are on cheap deals. Teams would just prefer to wait until free agency then give up a first round pick and then potentially lose him during the offseason.