Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership

SupremeHustle · Post #401 » by **SupremeHustle** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:41 pm

Iheartfootball wrote:
blazza18 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Then what the hell is Zanik doing in MKE? I'm not buying it.

This is what is known as negotiating through the media.

blazza18 · Post #402 » by **blazza18** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:41 pm

Iheartfootball wrote:
blazza18 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Then what the hell is Zanik doing in MKE? I'm not buying it.

Didn't he want to move back home to be closer to his ill wife?

All the GM talk for Zanik was all speculation when he came here.

SirChurros · Post #403 » by **SirChurros** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:45 pm

I don't know why Zanik would come here and accept an Assistant GM role only to not take a GM role when it's open and basically his.

Matches Malone · Post #404 » by **Matches Malone** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:48 pm

What's so good about David Griffin?

Rockmaninoff · Post #405 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:50 pm

Wasn't David Griffin in the running for the job 9 years ago when Hammond was hired? I seem to recall that was the case, or maybe he was just someone Europa liked.

blazza18 · Post #406 » by **blazza18** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:50 pm

Matches Malone wrote:What's so good about David Griffin?

He's given Lebron the deepest team he's ever had with very little cap space and assets.

Matches Malone · Post #407 » by **Matches Malone** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:53 pm

blazza18 wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:What's so good about David Griffin?

He's given Lebron the deepest team he's ever had with very little cap space and assets.

I think that situation is a little unique though. They kept winning the lottery and had assets to move. Not many superstars are going to a lottery team. I guess i'm not against or for David Griffin, just don't think he was necessarily in a position to fail.

emunney · Post #408 » by **emunney** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:53 pm

blazza18 wrote:
Iheartfootball wrote:
blazza18 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Then what the hell is Zanik doing in MKE? I'm not buying it.

Didn't he want to move back home to be closer to his ill wife?

All the GM talk for Zanik was all speculation when he came here.

It was reported by Woj, who doesn't typically speculate about that kind of thing. It was part of the terms of his hiring based on his sources.

Beorn · Post #409 » by **Beorn** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:53 pm

Griffin's moves in the last 3 years give you the impression he can recite every sub-paragraph of the CBA by heart, that's what looks good about him. He has made every cap gymnastic available to sign guys for LeBron

Licensed to Il · Post #410 » by **Licensed to Il** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:59 pm

Hammond might be the most typed word here in the last ten years. Dude has fueled a lot of debate here. Seemed like a decent guy, the next couple of moves he makes in Orlando (under his buddy Weltman) might give us an indiction of how we would have proceded here if unkohlshackled. Im no apologist, he was here a long time to never win a playoff series. And his free agent forays were forgettable.

Here is to hoping our next GM is able to finish the job.

Baddy Chuck · Post #411 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:02 pm

Said it before in this thread but I'll ask again, give Hammond 9 seasons in Orlando, how afraid are you of Orlando on a scale of 1-10? I'm at a 3.

bizarro · Post #412 » by **bizarro** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:02 pm

Thank god the GM Hammond era is over in Milwaukee. In true fashion, we have just as much to be fearful of (Kidd, meddling owners etc) as we do to look forward to. I give thanks i can no longer blame Hammond for awful contracts and traded draft assets.

buckboy · Post #413 » by **buckboy** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:05 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:Said it before in this thread but I'll ask again, give Hammond 9 seasons in Orlando, how afraid are you of Orlando on a scale of 1-10? I'm at a 3.

Yeah, if that. Probably a 2 for me.

Baddy Chuck · Post #414 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:06 pm

buckboy wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:Said it before in this thread but I'll ask again, give Hammond 9 seasons in Orlando, how afraid are you of Orlando on a scale of 1-10? I'm at a 3.

Yeah, if that. Probably a 2 for me.

I was at a 2-3 before. I'll give it a solid 3 now because I think Weltman is a pretty smart guy who had a few years under a really good GM once he left here.

tedbrogen · Post #415 » by **tedbrogen** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:15 pm

For all the slake Hammond seems to get for the bad moves because it was Kohl or Kidd meddling, I still don't get why he gets ALL the credit for Giannis. First, there is the rumor the organization got a bunch of info from Drew that the Hawks were keen on Giannis too. Second, we know for a fact the pick used on Giannis was offered to the Hawks to try and get Josh Smith. Now even if that trade did came down from Kohl, Hammond still agreed and went along with actually proposing that and attempting to build around a core of Jennings (whom he did offer a four year contract to), Monta (who they did take instead of Curry), and Josh Smith.

Even if ALL the bad moves and signings were from owners and coaches meddling, that at the very least means Hammond had no spine and was fine making moves that he KNEW were detrimental to the team becoming anything more than an 8th seed just so he could keep cashing those paychecks.

So, no matter what the case is, whether Hammond is a draft savant that was never truly allowed to do what he wanted, or he is just as much of an idiot as Kohl and Kidd, I could foresee no chance of the Bucks ever winning a title with him as GM. So, I am glad he is gone.

If the new owners meddle with his replacement or pick a bad replacement or whatever, that is an entirely different issue. The only question that matters with Hammond is do you think they would have ever won a title with him as GM?

tedbrogen · Post #416 » by **tedbrogen** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:18 pm

blazza18 wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:What's so good about David Griffin?

He's given Lebron the deepest team he's ever had with very little cap space and assets.

Sounds like the current situation we find our selves in with Giannis.

Gam · Post #417 » by **Gam** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:19 pm

tedbrogen wrote:For all the slake Hammond seems to get for the bad moves because it was Kohl or Kidd meddling, I still don't get why he gets ALL the credit for Giannis. First, there is the rumor the organization got a bunch of info from Drew that the Hawks were keen on Giannis too. Second, we know for a fact the pick used on Giannis was offered to the Hawks to try and get Josh Smith. Now even if that trade did came down from Kohl, Hammond still agreed and went along with actually proposing that and attempting to build around a core of Jennings (whom he did offer a four year contract to), Monta (who they did take instead of Curry), and Josh Smith.

Even if ALL the bad moves and signings were from owners and coaches meddling, that at the very least means Hammond had no spine and was fine making moves that he KNEW were detrimental to the team becoming anything more than an 8th seed just so he could keep cashing those paychecks.

So, no matter what the case is, whether Hammond is a draft savant that was never truly allowed to do what he wanted, or he is just as much of an idiot as Kohl and Kidd, I could foresee no chance of the Bucks ever winning a title with him as GM. So, I am glad he is gone.

If the new owners meddle with his replacement or pick a bad replacement or whatever, that is an entirely different issue. The only question that matters with Hammond is do you think they would have ever won a title with him as GM?

Only if Giannis ascends to a Jordan/LeBron/KAJ tier of player (which isn't totally out of the question) or Thon becoming a top 10ish guy in the league aside Giannis' top 3. I'd give the chance of either of those happening at 5-10% tops.

emunney · Post #418 » by **emunney** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:22 pm

tedbrogen wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:What's so good about David Griffin?

He's given Lebron the deepest team he's ever had with very little cap space and assets.

Sounds like the current situation we find our selves in with Giannis.

Cleveland had three #1 overall picks. Let's chill with the no assets stuff.

tedbrogen · Post #419 » by **tedbrogen** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:26 pm

emunney wrote:
tedbrogen wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
He's given Lebron the deepest team he's ever had with very little cap space and assets.

Sounds like the current situation we find our selves in with Giannis.

Cleveland had three #1 overall picks. Let's chill with the no assets stuff.

Hammond had the #2 overall pick to pair with Giannis...

dc634 · Post #420 » by **dc634** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:30 pm

Have It All wrote:I don't know why Zanik would come here and accept an Assistant GM role only to not take a GM role when it's open and basically his.

Total speculation, but the health issues of his wife and daughters probably doesn't make a full-time NBA GM position ideal. Also I doubt there was a contractual stipulation that states he would take over the GM job when Hammond moved on.