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[nagawicka]

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So we really need to shed 6M to get beneath the 2nd apron if we fill all roster spots?

Technically don’t need to but it would be nice.
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Since Midd's unlikely bonuses are likely to be large, why include them when they aren't putting us over the 2nd apron.

[Profound23]

Bucks trade: Khris, Bobby, protected 2031 first
Warriors trade: CP3, Kuminga

Cut Paul. Use tpmle. 2031 first even with protections is dicey part of deal.

I’d do that deal without putting in the 2031 first. And might keep Paul actually.

I don't know if this is possible with the CBA but I agree. I think this is going to be Kuminga's breakout year. He is getting better every year. This is the exact type of player we should be targeting if possible.

And yes you keep CP3 in that deal as he works perfectly with Dame.

[Bernman]

Since Midd's unlikely bonuses are likely to be large, why include them when they aren't putting us over the 2nd apron.

I think it all counts, otherwise teams could be sneaky and allocate much of their salaries into bonuses to circumvent the cap.

[randy84]

Bucks trade: Khris, Bobby, protected 2031 first
Warriors trade: CP3, Kuminga

Cut Paul. Use tpmle. 2031 first even with protections is dicey part of deal.

I’d do that deal without putting in the 2031 first. And might keep Paul actually.

I don't know if this is possible with the CBA but I agree. I think this is going to be Kuminga's breakout year. He is getting better every year. This is the exact type of player we should be targeting if possible.

And yes you keep CP3 in that deal as he works perfectly with Dame.

Salaries don't work.

[Bernman]

Bucks trade: Khris, Bobby, protected 2031 first
Warriors trade: CP3, Kuminga

Cut Paul. Use tpmle. 2031 first even with protections is dicey part of deal.

I’d do that deal without putting in the 2031 first. And might keep Paul actually.

I don't know if this is possible with the CBA but I agree. I think this is going to be Kuminga's breakout year. He is getting better every year. This is the exact type of player we should be targeting if possible.

And yes you keep CP3 in that deal as he works perfectly with Dame.

The 2031 1st should be a red line, Khris is the best player in the deal, & Kuminga isn't much of a 3-shooter or creator for teammates. That's in addition to being a suspect rebounder & defender. So big fat no to this one.

[kanyon]

So anyone that announces a sign and trade right away will get nailed with a tampering penalty like what happened with Bogie, right?

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Since Midd's unlikely bonuses are likely to be large, why include them when they aren't putting us over the 2nd apron.

I think it all counts, otherwise teams could be sneaky and allocate much of their salaries into bonuses to circumvent the cap.

Correct. That's the main reason.

Bonuses are classified as likely if the player achieved those benchmarks the previous season, and they are classified as unlikely if the player did not achieve those benchmarks the previous season.

If not for the current rules, which I do agree are quite draconian, teams would be loading up contracts with as many unlikely bonuses that are, actuarially "likely" enough for players and agents to go along with that structure, just to reduce their exposures to the various thresholds (salary cap, luxury tax, first apron, second apron).

[raferfenix]

Spotrac trade machine says Bobby for Kuminga straight up is close enough to work and then Middleton for Khris as a separate trade.

[randy84]

Spotrac trade machine says Bobby for Kuminga straight up is close enough to work and then Middleton for Khris as a separate trade.

I didn't think the Warriors could take back more than they send out. Bobby makes more than Kuminga.

[ShootingtheJ]

Again, we cannot combine salaries currently.

It doesn’t seem like anyone really knows how it works. Frank Madden says the way the CBA is written seems to indicate we can combine salaries as long as the trade brings us under the second apron.


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I think the confusion is the difference in the words combine and aggregate.

[ShootingtheJ]

Bucks trade: Khris, Bobby, protected 2031 first
Warriors trade: CP3, Kuminga

Cut Paul. Use tpmle. 2031 first even with protections is dicey part of deal.

I’d do that deal without putting in the 2031 first. And might keep Paul actually.

I don't know if this is possible with the CBA but I agree. I think this is going to be Kuminga's breakout year. He is getting better every year. This is the exact type of player we should be targeting if possible.

And yes you keep CP3 in that deal as he works perfectly with Dame.

What part of CP3 works well with Dame? CP3 can no longer defend, and he's useless without the ball in his hand.

[raferfenix]

Deal would be about Kuminga. I don’t think we’d just buy out CP3 for $30 million but certainly could send him elsewhere if we don’t want him.

That Athletic article says Warriors didn’t want to trade both Wiggins and Kuminga to LAC fwiw:

Any possible PG13 trade between the Warriors and Clippers was always going to be complicated, but Warriors executives thought they’d solved the puzzle. From what I’ve heard, some combination (but definitely not all) of Wiggins, CP3, Jonathan Kuminga or Moses Moody plus one future first-round pick were put into discussions with the Clippers.

There were versions that would’ve limited the Clippers’ long-term money liability; there were versions that would’ve increased the future benefits. I’m told the Warriors likely would not have put Wiggins and Kuminga together into any offer, but also that it never got that far, anyway. If that’s what would’ve closed the deal … who knows.

My understanding is that the money concerns weighed heavily on the Clippers’ side. If PG13 leaves as a free agent, they get nothing back … but they also get out from the second apron and have more roster maneuverability.

• If the Warriors had put Kuminga into a package for George, that would’ve been a risk all itself. The Warriors would’ve given up their most valuable young player for an older player who has had injury issues and would’ve been owed more than $260 million through the next five years, which would’ve essentially locked the Warriors into the luxury tax.

But PG13 would’ve been an immediate and elite 1B scoring option next to Curry, far better than anybody the Warriors have had in that role in years, and he could’ve drawn most of the toughest perimeter defensive assignments.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5604503/2024/06/29/warriors-paul-george-klay-thompson-kawakami/

[soxperry]

I know its fun to dream but i dont think GS is trading "their best young player" to get Khris Middleton. The concept makes sense, we trade offense for defense and they get a number two to pair with Steph. But Middleton cant be the best guy they can get with that kind of deal and i doubt a Steph/Middleton core is enough to contend.

Maybe they blow it up and we can find a way to trade Dame and whatever for Steph somehow

[Rstuedes24]

Khris/Bobby/Marjon for Kuminga/Moody/CP3

Horst calls up Dunleavy and offers the trade. If he declines, Giannis calls and reminds him what happened last time he angered him. Dunleavy then agrees and everyone is happy.

[buckboy]

Middleton and Bobby for Kuminga and Paul?

What in the actual **** is going on here.

That is horrible.

And some would add the 2031 first?

[ShootingtheJ]

Khris/Bobby/Marjon for Kuminga/Moody/CP3

Horst calls up Dunleavy and offers the trade. If he declines, Giannis calls and reminds him what happened last time he angered him. Dunleavy then agrees and everyone is happy.

Lol, if we're going to use Giannis to scare him, can it at least be a trade that's good for us? This is a disaster

[JayMKE]

I wouldn't do that deal but CP3 could probably be useful off the bench, Bucks don't really have a real PG on their roster besides maybe AJ Athletic or whatever we're calling him

[Rockmaninoff]

Dame

For

D'Angelo Russell
Austin Reaves
Jarred Vanderbilt
LAL FRPs (2)

[German Athens]

Dame

For

D'Angelo Russell
Austin Reaves
Jarred Vanderbilt
LAL FRPs (2)

Good lord, that’s terrible value.

[raferfenix]

Warriors would need to think Khris + Bobby bring them back to contention for at least a few years.

If we’d be including our 2031 first they could use that to pick up some other piece too.

PG: Curry
SG: Wiggins / Podz
SF: Khris / Moody
PF: Draymond / Trace Jackson-Davis
C: Bobby

For the Bucks, if we’d be keeping CP3, I’d feel better about it if we’d still have Pat Bev:

PG: Dame / CP3
SG: Bev / AJ Green
SF: Kuminga / Ajax
PF: Giannis
C: Brook