Official Tobias Harris watch thread (The End)

[Sherman Douglas]

We lost a solid starting SF for the future all because John Hammond panicked after striking out on Josh Smith and had to get something done before the deadline.

This will go down as one of the worst trades in Bucks history, but you already knew that.

[Aaron It Out]

[coolhandluke121]

It would be truly amazing if Hammond somehow turned Bogut + the 10th spot in the 2011 draft into 1.3 seasons of Monta Ellis/Udoh/ one-third of a season of Redick. Looks like that will happen.

Conveniently leaving out that 1/3 of a season of Kwame Brown's services to push your agenda, eh? Hater.

[freespirit9]

I dont really get the claims of him playing bad D? Ive only seen him play 2 games and his defense has looked great. He covers the weak side well, hes guarding power forwards man to man, closing out well, and staying infront of his man.

Just not seeing it. Statistically he is one of the top 20 man defenders in the league only allowing .63 pts, per posession to his oppenents in the minutes hes on the floor.

[NerdsterBuck]

This team is a disappointment when making deals. Giving up their young prospects, when they should be the one trading for them. I'm sorry but if you are a small market team, you have to build through youth and draft picks.

[Aaron It Out]

He's not a great defender. He can get beat off the dribble and sometimes loses his man. He's not super quick and he can get abused by someone who is faster than him. But he's only 20 frickin years old. He improved dramatically from season 1 to season 2, and clearly worked his ass off during the offseason. He starts off the season with a bang against Paul Pierce and showed many offensive tools that his team lacks. Then they bench him. Not just tighten his minutes, they removed him from a starting role to constant DNP. The main reason cited being defense. Quite the double standard coming from the coaching staff who played Gooden 30 minutes a game and don't seem to mind when Monta only comes to play defense once every so often.

They then refuse to trade a first round pick, yet were willing to throw in their 1st round pick who is young enough to be a draft pick in the next couple drafts (by the way, can you imagine with Tobias would be doing in college right now?). Pretty much every aspect of how they handled Tobias Harris was absurd. I will be cheering him on like crazy in Orlando, and I'm even a huge fan of Redick.

[coolhandluke121]

I'm not a big Tobes fan, but I will say that I would have much rather given up Jennings and Gooden than Tobes, Lamb, and Udrih.

[Badgerlander]

I was worried earlier this month when Ted Davis was commenting on Tobes on 1250 and was questioning if he had the lateral quickness to ever be a decent defender and I was oh no, somebody in the organization is saying that and he's just repeating it. Hammond probably wasn't worried about trading him away though because he thought he had JSmith coming in along with having Moute+Dunleavy so Tobias wasn't going to see the floor anyway. Now he'll have to ditch Moute in the offseason to have enough cap room to go after Smith and Dunleavy will probably look to move to a contender to try and get a ring. It's going to be an ugly summer.

[superelkman]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8898001

Tobias listed as a guy that David Thorpe thinks could be good on the right team.

[JimmyTheKid]

Everything you guys said about Tobias has been true so far. Hard worker, & efficient at what he does.

I love the effort he puts forth on both ends of the floor, & he ALWAYS finds a guy to put a body on every shot. Def didn't expect his D to be as good as it has been these first 2 games, & he is just so smooth on offense. Finishing at the rack & showing he can hit the mid to 3 point shot.

Anxious to see if he can keep it up & what he becomes.

Thanks guys

How am I still a fan of the Milwaukee Bucks?

[europa]

And the primary rea$on he didn't fit here wa$ becau$e we just had to run our offen$e through a couple of worthle$$, dolt $G$.

I'll again go back to the ESPN story which talked about how good Harris could be if he was on another team because he didn't mesh well with Jennings and Ellis. Just think about that for a minute.

So you have a 20-year-old kid who's already shown plenty of promise and people think can be real good but because he doesn't fit in with two inefficient chuckers who you absolutely have to build your offense around you decide he's the one who's expendable and not the two guys who are bringing your offense down giving that young player with talent a chance to be good on another team instead of your own?

I hate this f'n team.

[europa]

Plenty of mediocre to bad players have been putting up solid numbers for the Magic this year. The team's points have to come from somewhere.

By that line of thinking we should completely dismiss everything JJ Redick has done as well.

[emunney]

I think maybe the biggest reason I'm not that upset about this is that the writing has been on the wall ever since he lost his starting job for the last time. At that point, my expectation became that we'd trade him for somebody I didn't like. We traded him for somebody I like, so I just can't get that worked up about the trade in and of itself. I had already made my peace with the fact that he probably wasn't in our plans. Also, between Sanders, Harris and Henson, Harris seemed to me to be clearly the 3rd best prospect. Obviously we could have kept all three, but in a relative sense, that's where I'd have put him in terms of his importance to the franchise's future.

I also think I was probably the only person who saw a creeping resemblance to Maggette in SL, but then again, Sanders looked like a poor man's Gadz in SL, so that's really neither here nor there.

The big picture stuff is what's most annoying: the fact that we didn't make any other moves that might have made us a real threat, that we're still a raft of lame ducks in choppy water, that we seem to be actively trying to be mediocre for as long as possible, etc. Trading a decent 20 year old prospect for a good 28 year old player is just the flare that illuminates the ocean of **** that is our franchise. But it's a perfectly good flare.

[linguini8]

I bet Tobias ends up with numbers similar to or better than what Redick was putting up in ORL by seasons end.

[EastSideBucksFan]

I'd like to just stop talking about this.

[paulpressey25]

I'm not a big Tobes fan, but I will say that I would have much rather given up Jennings and Gooden than Tobes, Lamb, and Udrih.

This is what really has me angry. As I've posted many times now, we are going to end up losing at least one or two of those three guards this summer. We needed to trade either Monta or Brandon last week if we wanted to get some different win now assets.

[europa]

I'd like to just stop talking about this.

I wasn't going to post after getting it out of my system last week but watching Tobes beasting last night just frustrated the hell out of me again. So here I am. Ugh. I'm guessing if the Bucks offered their 2013 1st for Tobes straight up the Magic would laugh at them.

[trwi7]

Plenty of mediocre to bad players have been putting up solid numbers for the Magic this year. The team's points have to come from somewhere. I wouldn't put much stock into a few games, let alone get completely bent out of shape about it.

Like J.J. Redick? That's what I'm going to hate. If Tobes puts up numbers for the Magic this year and they lose it's going to be "well he's doing it on a garbage team, somebody has to score." Well isn't that what Redick was doing before we traded for him?

*Please note I'm not calling Redick a garbage player but he was doing the exact same thing for the Magic this year. Can't have it both ways.

[Badgerlander]

This is what really has me angry. As I've posted many times now, we are going to end up losing at least one or two of those three guards this summer. We needed to trade either Monta or Brandon last week if we wanted to get some different win now assets.

and once again the most tradeable asset (Jennings) value is only going to diminish as he rides the pine and gets frustrated and plays worse and starts complaining to the media about his role so when we do finally try to trade him this summer his value is at rock bottom. Of course that is standard operating procedure for the Bucks FO.

[Treebeard]

I'm not a big Tobes fan, but I will say that I would have much rather given up Jennings and Gooden than Tobes, Lamb, and Udrih.

This is what really has me angry. As I've posted many times now, we are going to end up losing at least one or two of those three guards this summer. We needed to trade either Monta or Brandon last week if we wanted to get some different win now assets.

The Bucks FO really pooched this up. It would have made far better sense to move one or both of Jennings/Ellis before bringing Redick in - particularly when all three could be gone this summer with no return. It's going to be a very high stakes game of chicken this summer, with 95% of the leverage belonging to the players and their agents.

Do the Bucks really see Redick as enough of a difference maker to get them out of the first round of the playoffs? Enough of a difference where it's acceptable to trade long term potential in favor of a short term rental?

I will be really surprised if Redick sticks around, unless one or both of Jennings/Ellis are gone, AND he gets paid throught the nose to stay.

Orlando, by taking a chance on Harris and Lamb, may well be long-term winners in this deal