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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#421 » by theFireBlanket » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:49 pm

drew881 wrote:I'm ok with either option.

For: I like Bledsoe and he is still young. I like Bledsoe, Middleton, Giannis, Parker, Sanders going forward. We can trade Ersan and Knight (if not in that deal) and move forward. I think even with Bledsoe that lineup is a late lotto team.


In a weaker EC I'd question that team being late lotto. They're probably going to give much better production with the new coaching staff and ownership.

And if Bledsoe can't help lead that team to a late playoff seed, then is he really worth being maxed out?
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#422 » by coolhandluke121 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:52 pm

The Bledsoe rumors I get, but the Lin and Vasquez rumors concern me. That could mean they're trying to win now. I don't think either player is much good, but they're both upgrades at pg by default. Get someone who can distribute the ball and you're going to see a spike in wins, even if that player's defense or scoring efficiency is terrible. That's how much Knight held them back.

If the Bucks were really just trying to get an asset, they should be looking at Nash. I don't think the Lakers own many of their future picks though. I would try to trade Knight/Henson/Middleton for Randle (send him to a 3rd team) and Nash. The Lakers could still get Melo, Kobe can play run the offense instead of being the primary scorer, and Knight/Middleton can be good role players.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#423 » by Bucks_MacGyver » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:56 pm

Am I the only one in love with a Bledsoe /knight backcourt...

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#424 » by JayMKE » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:00 pm

Remember, most of you guys thought our team going into last season would win 35+ games. Funny how perceptions change. I think we're closer to a 35 win team than most people realize, getting Bledsoe would be a huge coup for us. We would get a top 5 pick talent without tanking. If he leads up to the playoffs with a couple of 19 year olds in the line up then so be it. No where to go but up.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#425 » by ConoverBucks » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:00 pm

LUKE23 wrote:What year and protection on it?

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The pick is for 2015 and it's got some weird protections on it. NO keeps the pick if it falls in the top 3 or 20+. If it falls in the 4-19 range, which I think is mostly likely to happen, then Houston gets it.

NO has to dump some salary before the Asik deal can even happen though.
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Post#426 » by TroyD92 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:07 pm

Didn't somebody post that contracts are going to keep inflating? How would his contract compare to guys who will get max 3/4 years from now?
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#427 » by RRyder823 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:09 pm

drew881 wrote:I'm ok with either option.

For: I like Bledsoe and he is still young. I like Bledsoe, Middleton, Giannis, Parker, Sanders going forward. We can trade Ersan and Knight (if not in that deal) and move forward. I think even with Bledsoe that lineup is a late lotto team.

Against: I like Middleton, Giannis, Parker, Sanders going forward. I don't think we are a 35-45 team win as constructed. We don't know what Sanders will do. We don't know how healthy Parker will be over 82 given his conditioning and body. I see him playing 45-50 games, or if he plays longer, will hit that rookie wall. We don't know about Giannis. I could see us winning 25-27 and having a top 7 pick, and I am fine withthat.

Either way we are good. I don't like acquiring Lin, unless we get a future 1st round pick, preferably from another team if the Rockets have another pick stashed.


You see Parker only playing 45-50 games? Do you think thats the way he'll be his entire carear or do u think thats only next season till pro trainers get ahold of him? I ask cause i don't see a huge concern with him being able to stay on the court. The rookie wall i'll give is a concern as it is with a rookies

While 25-27 wins is possible i don't think it's likly. How quickly some have forgotton when just last year at this time so many people were complaining about the NBA purgatory chase for the 8 seed and the fact that most everybody expected the Bucks to finish around 35 wins. We we're only as bad as we were last year cause every thing fell right for it.

Assuming Sanders comes back strong this team is better then it was at this time last year. Seeing as how I firmly believe that to be the case i can't disagree more when people think we're assured at a top pick when last year at this time almost everybody thought this was a 35 win squad unless we're expecting the "perfect storm" of a tank to hit twice.

But outside of that I don't disagree with a whole lot you said
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#428 » by RRyder823 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:13 pm

JayMKE wrote:Remember, most of you guys thought our team going into last season would win 35+ games. Funny how perceptions change. I think we're closer to a 35 win team than most people realize, getting Bledsoe would be a huge coup for us. We would get a top 5 pick talent without tanking. If he leads up to the playoffs with a couple of 19 year olds in the line up then so be it. No where to go but up.


Damn I just made that point. Didn't see you beat me to it. lol
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#429 » by linguini8 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:22 pm

JayMKE wrote:Remember, most of you guys thought our team going into last season would win 35+ games. Funny how perceptions change. I think we're closer to a 35 win team than most people realize, getting Bledsoe would be a huge coup for us. We would get a top 5 pick talent without tanking. If he leads up to the playoffs with a couple of 19 year olds in the line up then so be it. No where to go but up.


It surprises me that most people think we are likely one of the bottom 3 teams again next season. Don't see it happening without major injuries. If we had a semi-competent coach alone last season we would have won 10 more games. That is how awful Drew was. Easily the worst head coach in the game and will likely never get the opportunity to be a head coach again. Add in Sanders being out the entire season, Ersan sucking and being hurt all season, Mayo becoming a slob, the constant 30 minute games for Neal, Butler, Sessions, and Zaza..

Depending on how FA turns out this team could easily squeak into the playoffs. Which isn't a bad thing. It isn't 8th seed mediocrity or bust. It would be a great accomplishment for our young core and I'm not quite sure why everyone is stuck on the "we NEED a 3rd star in the draft" b.s. We don't. Not anymore. We have the young foundational players that we've been longing for. We have the two best players from the last two drafts. Get over it. It's a new era. Time to cheer for some wins because we DO finally have the group of young players we've been begging to acquire and who are worth cheering for.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#430 » by Jollay » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:30 pm

God, I dislike Vasquez, but he makes sense for this team.

No way Kidd isn't gonna get a little more than we have at PG. Unfortunate because yes I'd like to draft high one more year and then go for it.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#431 » by ConoverBucks » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:38 pm

TroyD92 wrote:Didn't somebody post that contracts are going to keep inflating? How would his contract compare to guys who will get max 3/4 years from now?


The max contract for someone coming off of their rookie contract is 25% of the cap but with the cap calculations they use it comes in a little less than 25% of the cap. So in Bledsoe's case his first year of his max contract would be roughly $15 million.

The cap is expected to keep increasing and I think someone posted a tweet on here that said the cap is expected to be close to $80 million in 3/4 years. So if that's the case then in 3/4 years if someone coming off their rookie contract was offered a max contract, their first year salary of that max contract would be roughly $20 million.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#432 » by TroyD92 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:40 pm

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TroyD92 wrote:Didn't somebody post that contracts are going to keep inflating? How would his contract compare to guys who will get max 3/4 years from now?


The max contract for someone coming off of their rookie contract is 25% of the cap but with the cap calculations they use it comes in a little less than 25% of the cap. So in Bledsoe's case his first year of his max contract would be roughly $15 million.

The cap is expected to keep increasing and I think someone posted a tweet on here that said the cap is expected to be close to $80 million in 3/4 years. So if that's the case then in 3/4 years if someone coming off their rookie contract was offered a max contract, their first year salary of that max contract would be roughly $20 million.


Thank you! That's exactly what I was looking for.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#433 » by Godgers » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:40 pm

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Godgers wrote:Max Bledsoe lol. So many people just want to throw away the future just for a few more wins that mean nothing, and will hurt the teams future.

How about building through the draft and enjoying watching our young players grow and getting a nice lotto pick for the next few years to build the team with.


Bledsoe is old? The guys 24.


Again some don't get what a salary cap is. 24 years old not on his rookie contract. Over paying a player with a Max contract hurts the team. You build young because you get young talent on good contracts.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#434 » by Godgers » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:42 pm

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Godgers wrote:Max Bledsoe lol. So many people just want to throw away the future just for a few more wins that mean nothing, and will hurt the teams future.

How about building through the draft and enjoying watching our young players grow and getting a nice lotto pick for the next few years to build the team with.


Literally NO ONE here advocating for Bledsoe want to make that move for a "few more wins" or are willing to "hurt the teams future." Every single person I've seen in favor of that deal would do it because they believe that move puts together a potential high ceiling core. It's all about a high reward future. What are you reading man?


I am reading people want to give Bledsoe a contract like Michael Redd. Redd was love by everyone until he became max Redd and even though Redd was a good player it hurt the team because of his contract.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#435 » by theFireBlanket » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:43 pm

If the team were to move Knight for Bledsoe, then they should go after Troy Daniels for an extra SG, since this team should be poised for a playoff spot with EB and he could be a steal.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#436 » by ChuckBros4Life » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:43 pm

THE DINJ wrote:Bledsoe is not a max-contact player, full stop.


And Mayo isn't worth 3/24m, nor Zaza 3/15m. Now let's examine Bledsoe. Which of the 3 is the best value? I'd rather have a guy not end up worth his contract because of injuries than just being sucky.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#437 » by theFireBlanket » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:54 pm

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THE DINJ wrote:Bledsoe is not a max-contact player, full stop.


And Mayo isn't worth 3/24m, nor Zaza 3/15m. Now let's examine Bledsoe. Which of the 3 is the best value? I'd rather have a guy not end up worth his contract because of injuries than just being sucky.


The team's past contracts shouldn't be methodically used to defend making more egregious decisions because they're not the same level or type of risk.

While I'm not completely on the Eric Bledsoe acquisition bandwagon (especially on a max contract), there are much better arguments for signing him than that sort.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#438 » by FlagsFlyForever » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:55 pm

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'And what if we don't pick top 5 this year and Jabari and Giannis develop as they should and we never pick that low again during their time here? Then we don't ever get that third player. Bledsoe is a sure thing, it doesn't matter how much money we have to pay him. We'd have the core set and would still have a whole host of other assets going forward. Signing a guy like Bledsoe would mean we could take a lot more risks with the players we select going forward, home run shots. It would prevent us from signing crappy role players which is a fantasy that we won't otherwise. Where else is this cap space going to go to? We're not going to sit on it for 5 years.

Bledsoe isn't about winning now, we might win a few more but it's about adding a building block for the future. Do you think Lebron is next years draft?


I'm a little confused. You're saying there will never be a better player than Bledsoe available either in trades or free agency in the next few years?


such as?? I can't think of anyone that is realistically available to us.

What is Bledsoe a sure thing of? He hasn't proven he's worth a max contract.

Are you just talking about point guards? There are a lot of players who will be available next offseason. Emmanuel Mudiay, Rondo, Dragic, Rubio, Tony Parker, Monta Ellis (just kidding). The list goes on of players who the Bucks could bring in that would make an impact. The Bucks will always be able to make a move in free agency if they want, but why not wait until the right time? We can only sign Bledsoe through the 2017-18 season. Are the Bucks going to be competitive next year? The year after? I don't think so. 2016 is the season I'm looking at if everything goes right so I view spending max money on players before then to be a waste unless it is a sure thing (which I already opined that Bledsoe is not). It will hurt our draft picks and it will block us from being able to sign a player through 2020.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#439 » by mlloyd10 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:57 pm

Bledsoe will go for a contract that Lawson got and im completely fine with that.

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#440 » by On_Wisconsin » Sun Jul 6, 2014 6:58 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:If the team were to move Knight for Bledsoe, then they should go after Troy Daniels for an extra SG, since this team should be poised for a playoff spot with EB and he could be a steal.


I mentioned the same thing earlier. I'd give him 4 years 12-15 million. Make Houston match


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