Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

[MidnightBuck]

Are we able to flip these picks right away plus a middle-of-the-road salary (Ersan or Bledsoe) plus the trade exception for a star being cap dumped (CP3)???

Anyone creative enough to blueprint some scenarios like that? Or do we think this is what it is?

[coolhandluke121]

So they're basically not getting a TPE because they had to change his cap hold to keep Lopez and Hill? Is that where we're at? I was surprised they could pay Hill that much, but that might be the option I didn't account for.

Can't imagine you get a TPE without his Bird rights.

[James1980]

We aren't getting Josh Richardson

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[WRau1]

Are we able to flip these picks right away plus a middle-of-the-road salary (Ersan or Bledsoe) plus the trade exception for a star being cap dumped (CP3)???

Anyone creative enough to blueprint some scenarios like that? Or do we think this is what it is?

Can't combine TPE with salary to take on another player, me thinks.

[Buck Dweller]

Don't blame Brogdon for wanting out of this franchise honestly

I agree.
It must be so hard playing for a team with a brand new arena, brand new practice facility, the leagues MVP, the coach of the year and being 2 games from the finals.
Damn franchise.

Arena and practice facility were built by fleecing public money and who cares about some poxy little arena anyway.

They've made up some ground the last year and a half or so but the franchise would still be in shambles if it weren't for Giannis and Middleton who they had no part in getting. And still, you should be skeptical of any franchise that thinks a guy like Kidd is a good leader.

[WRau1]

So are Brogdon's feet done for?

[WRau1]

Don't blame Brogdon for wanting out of this franchise honestly

I agree.
It must be so hard playing for a team with a brand new arena, brand new practice facility, the leagues MVP, the coach of the year and being 2 games from the finals.
Damn franchise.

Arena and practice facility were built by fleecing public money and who cares about some poxy little arena anyway.

They've made up some ground the last year and a half or so but the franchise would still be in shambles if it weren't for Giannis and Middleton who they had no part in getting. And still, you should be skeptical of any franchise that thinks a guy like Kidd is a good leader.

Terrible logic. Every franchise is terrible without their two best players.

[James1980]

And he hates Milwaukee

So are Brogdon's feet done for?

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[dsilby]

OK anonymous dude on a message board. I'll take your word for it!

To you I'm anonymous.
Regardless, it's a moot point now.

[60611]

We went 18-8 without Brogdon this year which included playoff games. That is a 57 win pace.

I would have brought Brogdon back over Middleton for sure but this isn’t a catastrophic loss, especially with getting picks back and whatever we can turn that and the TPE into. For instance if you turn this into Eric Gordon it would likely make us much better.

I love Brogdon and wish him well but we chose Middleton over him, so let’s see how the rest plays out.


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Doesn’t hurt when 6 of those games were against Detroit, 3 against the Cavs, and 2 each vs the Hawks and Heat.

[paulpressey25]

So they're basically not getting a TPE because they had to change his cap hold to keep Lopez and Hill? Is that where we're at? I was surprised they could pay Hill that much, but that might be the option I didn't account for.

Can't imagine you get a TPE without his Bird rights.

Uncertain on the TPE. Hill/Lopez money tight. I’d doubt they bagged on the TPE just to make it easier to give those two an extra $500k or something.

[Bucksfan28]

And still, you should be skeptical of any franchise that thinks a guy like Kidd is a good leader.

I do subscribe to the theory that Brogdon didn't necessarily like it here and it has more to do with this fact than him allegedly hating Milwaukee.

[thonnisbeastley]

We went 18-8 without Brogdon this year which included playoff games. That is a 57 win pace.

I would have brought Brogdon back over Middleton for sure but this isn’t a catastrophic loss, especially with getting picks back and whatever we can turn that and the TPE into. For instance if you turn this into Eric Gordon it would likely make us much better.

I love Brogdon and wish him well but we chose Middleton over him, so let’s see how the rest plays out.


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Doesn’t hurt when 6 of those games were against Detroit, 3 against the Cavs, and 2 each vs the Hawks and Heat.

Many of those games were far closer than they should have been as well and Middleton put up some of his BEST games of the season during that stretch

[brewbucks]

And Malcom hated the city of Milwaukee. That played a big role.
If Malcom loved it there and had that same passion that Khris and Giannis has to bring a title to Milwaukee, I bet he's a Buck right now.

No he didn't. Good lord. He said it was segregated.

Here is his entire quote:

"Before I came to Milwaukee I’d heard the city was the most segregated in the country," Brogdon said in the article. "I’d heard it was racist. When I got here it was extremely segregated. I’ve never lived in a city this segregated. Milwaukee’s very behind in terms of being progressive. There are things that need to change rapidly.”

"Leadership and change starts from the top down — with our owners being progressive," he said. "They encourage players that also want to be forward thinking. For them to support Peter Feigin is a big sign and encourages us to do the same. To speak out for what is good and right.”

He did not like city and I know this first hand. And people personally around him also know that.
It's really not up for debate.

This!. He grew up in Atlanta, his mom is a higher up at Morehouse, hangs out in DC, has a degree in public policy, etc. it’s just common sense. I could only imagine what was going on in his head when he first got up here.

[kid idioteque]

We all have people and places we don't like. I'm sure there were a few things that bothered Malcolm about Milwaukee and / or the Bucks, probably not just one thing.

On the other hand, having lived in Indiana for four years - if he thinks that state is even as progressive as Wisconsin, he's in for a big surprise.

[Buck Dweller]

I agree.
It must be so hard playing for a team with a brand new arena, brand new practice facility, the leagues MVP, the coach of the year and being 2 games from the finals.
Damn franchise.

Arena and practice facility were built by fleecing public money and who cares about some poxy little arena anyway.

They've made up some ground the last year and a half or so but the franchise would still be in shambles if it weren't for Giannis and Middleton who they had no part in getting. And still, you should be skeptical of any franchise that thinks a guy like Kidd is a good leader.

Terrible logic. Every franchise is terrible without their two best players.

Terrible in terms of win/loss, yes. Terrible in terms of franchise respectability, not necessarily.

[DrWood]

So that Bledsoe extension looking more and more suspect in the context of making this kind of call with Brogdon.

Plenty of time for the front office to prove this is the right call. But if it's due to LED not wanting to pay luxury tax...

we signed a better player for less money than what Brogdon got, so Bledsoe's deal looks even better.

[Matches Malone]

We all have people and places we don't like. I'm sure there were a few things that bothered Malcolm about Milwaukee and / or the Bucks, probably not just one thing.

On the other hand, having lived in Indiana for four years - if he thinks that state is even as progressive as Wisconsin, he's in for a big surprise.

I've heard some others mention Indiana has some of their own issues with segregation and racial issues. Is that something you notice living there?

[DrWood]

Even if you grant the speculation about him wanting out, they should've held out for a better return. Squandering one of our better assets for a probable mid-late first, a second and a TPE is not cutting it with Giannis' contract ending soon.

How? We didn't have bargaining power.

[M-C-G]

We went 18-8 without Brogdon this year which included playoff games. That is a 57 win pace.

I would have brought Brogdon back over Middleton for sure but this isn’t a catastrophic loss, especially with getting picks back and whatever we can turn that and the TPE into. For instance if you turn this into Eric Gordon it would likely make us much better.

I love Brogdon and wish him well but we chose Middleton over him, so let’s see how the rest plays out.


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Doesn’t hurt when 6 of those games were against Detroit, 3 against the Cavs, and 2 each vs the Hawks and Heat.

So? I am a big Brogdon fan, but if you can’t see this team is 80% Giannis and 20% the rest of the guys I don’t know what to tell you. It’s exactly that reason I would have kept Brogdon over Middleton 10 times out of 10 but Horsty didn’t ask for my input.


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