Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread

slos · Post #421 » by **slos** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:57 pm

Two facts about this draft:

1. There is too little data for the players, which means that you can strike pure gold with a mid/low pick.
2. The top 5 may be the weakest ever, but this draft is deep as hell.

That said I really like that Indy pick and I would love one more at 20-30 range. I guess Boston would take #20 for #25 and #30. I would even consider to keep #20 and trade Bledsoe for a 15ish pick.

LuessiT · Post #422 » by **LuessiT** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:49 pm

slos wrote:Two facts about this draft:

1. There is too little data for the players, which means that you can strike pure gold with a mid/low pick.
2. The top 5 may be the weakest ever, but this draft is deep as hell.

That said I really like that Indy pick and I would love one more at 20-30 range. I guess Boston would take #20 for #25 and #30. I would even consider to keep #20 and trade Bledsoe for a 15ish pick.

The thing is if we had more data this may not be the case. I wouldn't want to have to cast a top 5 pick over any draft class but I do think when everythings said and done I'd echo your first point.

Post #423 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:40 am

Nowak008 wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:New DX mock:

1. GSW - Ant Edwards (Best fit: Ball)

Seeing them at the top of the draft makes me wanna puke.

That. Any draft with Edwards and Ball talked about as possible 1st picks can't be good at the top. But... there could be a fine group of players later... perhaps from 15 to 25, and I think there'll be some useful players available early in the 2nd round. It might be worth buying a high 2nd to get a 3 and D wing.

Ron Swanson · Post #424 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:34 pm

Wiseman to me is still pretty clearly the best prospect hands down, and I feel like a lot of the top teams are talking themselves out of him purely because he's a big without any clear unicorn skills. Which to me brings up an interesting debate. Even if his ceiling is a Rudy Gobert type traditional big, isn't that still better than the likely outcome of any of those next tier guard prospects like Edwards and Ball? Unless you think either of those guys has superstar-like potential as a lead guard, I'd still take my chances with the uber-athletic and fluidly agile 7-footer. He'd be a damn near perfect fit with GS alongside Curry/Klay/Draymond.

emunney · Post #425 » by **emunney** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:54 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Wiseman to me is still pretty clearly the best prospect hands down, and I feel like a lot of the top teams are talking themselves out of him purely because he's a big without any clear unicorn skills. Which to me brings up an interesting debate. Even if his ceiling is a Rudy Gobert type traditional big, isn't that still better than the likely outcome of any of those next tier guard prospects like Edwards and Ball? Unless you think either of those guys has superstar-like potential as a lead guard, I'd still take my chances with the uber-athletic and fluidly agile 7-footer. He'd be a damn near perfect fit with GS alongside Curry/Klay/Draymond.

I guess I have a far higher estimation of Ball than most of you guys, but I agree that Wiseman is a big time prospect even without perimeter skills. If anybody would understand the importance of dominating the restricted area, you'd think it'd be Bucks fans.

LuessiT · Post #426 » by **LuessiT** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:48 pm

emunney wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Wiseman to me is still pretty clearly the best prospect hands down, and I feel like a lot of the top teams are talking themselves out of him purely because he's a big without any clear unicorn skills. Which to me brings up an interesting debate. Even if his ceiling is a Rudy Gobert type traditional big, isn't that still better than the likely outcome of any of those next tier guard prospects like Edwards and Ball? Unless you think either of those guys has superstar-like potential as a lead guard, I'd still take my chances with the uber-athletic and fluidly agile 7-footer. He'd be a damn near perfect fit with GS alongside Curry/Klay/Draymond.

I guess I have a far higher estimation of Ball than most of you guys, but I agree that Wiseman is a big time prospect even without perimeter skills. If anybody would understand the importance of dominating the restricted area, you'd think it'd be Bucks fans.

I'm still waiting for the elite rim protecting prospect that can guard the perimeter as well. That guy would be worth taking with the #1 pick in any draft.

RiotPunch · Post #427 » by **RiotPunch** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:52 pm

I am not nearly as high on Wiseman. Bad motor, atrocious PnR defense, bites on every pump fake, below average passer.

I see an adequate rim-runner/rim-protector type with some reason for face-up optimism. He almost needs to be in a defensive system like ours though, dropping him every time or else he will get played off the court because he is completely lost defending PnR, like legit one of the worst PnR defenders I've ever seen.

I wouldn't take a big in the top-10 this year, but if I had to, I would rather have Okongwu by a decent margin, despite being smaller than James. I can see the high ceiling argument with him, but the doomsday bunker basement for him (with #1 pick salary increases) is too scary for me to take him over elite outlier type guys like Ball, Hayes, Edwards, Maxey, etc.

Bucknado · Post #428 » by **Bucknado** » Sat May 9, 2020 2:41 am

We’re the best team in the league. Might as well swing for the fences. Make that Giannis Thon type pick. Worst case scenario we dump the scrub off on Detroit in a 3 team deal for a serviceable vet.

Beorn · Post #429 » by **Beorn** » Sat May 9, 2020 7:14 am

^That pick is Pokusevski I think. Get him to suki, hope he doesn't loses his fluidity/agility when he bulks up

LuessiT · Post #430 » by **LuessiT** » Sat May 9, 2020 10:15 am

Beorn wrote:^That pick is Pokusevski I think. Get him to suki, hope he doesn't loses his fluidity/agility when he bulks up

I like him but the way this draft is shaping up I don't think he's the pick ever. Players will be picked all over the place and there should v3e players available you wouldn't think off now.

JayMKE · Post #431 » by **JayMKE** » Sat May 9, 2020 1:41 pm

Bucknado wrote:We’re the best team in the league. Might as well swing for the fences. Make that Giannis Thon type pick. Worst case scenario we dump the scrub off on Detroit in a 3 team deal for a serviceable vet.

There’s two ways of looking at this, I think the better the team has begun the more I see value in high IQ two way roleplayers compared to projects with huge boom/bust potential. I’d rather have another Donte than another Thon.

LuessiT · Post #432 » by **LuessiT** » Sat May 9, 2020 2:14 pm

JayMKE wrote:
Bucknado wrote:We’re the best team in the league. Might as well swing for the fences. Make that Giannis Thon type pick. Worst case scenario we dump the scrub off on Detroit in a 3 team deal for a serviceable vet.

There’s two ways of looking at this, I think the better the team has begun the more I see value in high IQ two way roleplayers compared to projects with huge boom/bust potential. I’d rather have another Donte than another Thon.

I want to point out that not every 'high IQ role player' pans out either. And Donte wasn't exactly the sure thing either. In terms of trajectories Donte had a lot of similarities with DJ pre draft.

JayMKE · Post #433 » by **JayMKE** » Sat May 9, 2020 5:28 pm

I'm not sure I agree with that, DJ was a junior but always felt like more of a project valued for his potential with his length, range, and lateral movement whereas Donte was a big time contributor on a championship team. The point is that we don't have to swing for the fences and go full Hammond length above all else with our picks anymore since we have our championship core and can use the younger complimentary pieces on rookie contracts who can contribute right away. Of course a lot of these roleplayers turn out having higher upside or end u busts too but that's the type of player I'm feeling right now. More Donte's, more Brogdon's! Find another Ersan!

M-C-G · Post #434 » by **M-C-G** » Sun May 10, 2020 9:46 pm

Anyone have thoughts on Bey from Colorado ?

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RiotPunch · Post #435 » by **RiotPunch** » Sun May 10, 2020 10:47 pm

M-C-G wrote:Anyone have thoughts on Bey from Colorado ?

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I'm in the minority, but he is my favorite Bey in this class by a decent margin. Pogo stick athlete with great defensive instincts. He's one of the best overall defenders in the class and the only better team defender than him is Vassell. He wasn't asked to shoot much at Colorado, but he has solid mechanics and is a career 75% FT shooter. 3&D 4, low usage C&S on offense, super impactful mult-positional weak side helper on defense.

M-C-G · Post #436 » by **M-C-G** » Sun May 10, 2020 11:19 pm

RiotPunch wrote:
M-C-G wrote:Anyone have thoughts on Bey from Colorado ?

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I'm in the minority, but he is my favorite Bey in this class by a decent margin. Pogo stick athlete with great defensive instincts. He's one of the best overall defenders in the class and the only better team defender than him is Vassell. He wasn't asked to shoot much at Colorado, but he has solid mechanics and is a career 75% FT shooter. 3&D 4, low usage C&S on offense, super impactful mult-positional weak side helper on defense.

Yeah there is some Roberson to his game on defense, maybe not that elite, but isn't the massive offensive hole that Roberson is. I actually like the other Bey as well.

My list of 'interesting' guys currently looking into;
Saddiq Bey
Tyler Bey
Leandro Balmaro
Josh Green
Aaron Nesmith

RiotPunch · Post #437 » by **RiotPunch** » Mon May 11, 2020 12:01 am

M-C-G wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
M-C-G wrote:Anyone have thoughts on Bey from Colorado ?

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I'm in the minority, but he is my favorite Bey in this class by a decent margin. Pogo stick athlete with great defensive instincts. He's one of the best overall defenders in the class and the only better team defender than him is Vassell. He wasn't asked to shoot much at Colorado, but he has solid mechanics and is a career 75% FT shooter. 3&D 4, low usage C&S on offense, super impactful mult-positional weak side helper on defense.

Yeah there is some Roberson to his game on defense, maybe not that elite, but isn't the massive offensive hole that Roberson is. I actually like the other Bey as well.

My list of 'interesting' guys currently looking into;
Saddiq Bey
Tyler Bey
Leandro Balmaro
Josh Green
Aaron Nesmith

Saddiq is a really good shooter, but I don't think anything else really translates well to the NBA for him. He is slow to react and is able to recover in college, but that won't fly at the next level unless you are an elite athlete, which he is not. Nova guys are always smarter than most thanks to coach Wright, but his system can make players look better than they actually are sometimes. I have him as a fringe 1st rounder, with Tyler firmly in my Top-25.

Bolmaro is **** incredible, love love love him. So much fun to watch. He is fairly high risk though because of his awful verticality and streaky shooting, but my goodness his playmaking and POA defense is just unreal good.

Josh Green I go back and forth on. He makes some incredible plays on defense/in transition/cutting to the hoop that really pop, but then can completely disappear. Not sold on his shot, but there is hope that he can iron out the kinks there.

Nesmith is similar to Saddiq, although he has a far more versatile shot profile off of movement. Super high volume flamethrower, but again doesn't offer much else, although he is a solid team defender. He'd be a good fit for us.

Have you checked out Desmond Bane? I think he's the Bud Ball wing to draft this year. Built like a brick **** house, extremely high IQ passer and help defender, very good shooter. Could step in and be an immediate rotation guy, basically replacing Sterling with a stronger, smarter, better shooting version of Sterling.

M-C-G · Post #438 » by **M-C-G** » Mon May 11, 2020 12:33 am

RiotPunch wrote:
Bolmaro is **** incredible, love love love him. So much fun to watch. He is fairly high risk though because of his awful verticality and streaky shooting, but my goodness his playmaking and POA defense is just unreal good.

Couple questions if you have had him on your radar (I was just reading about him and watched a highlight vid today) what do you think about his shooting ability? The low 3% is a bit of a concern, but I never knew the guy existed before today, so might be context there...does it translate to an average or above average shooter?

Any idea about his ability to play team defense?

From watching the vids, I think he is one of those guys that would be a fan favorite for sure...reminds me just a bit of Toni Kukoc

RiotPunch wrote:Have you checked out Desmond Bane? I think he's the Bud Ball wing to draft this year. Built like a brick **** house, extremely high IQ passer and help defender, very good shooter. Could step in and be an immediate rotation guy, basically replacing Sterling with a stronger, smarter, better shooting version of Sterling.

Seems interesting and a guy Bud would really like. Seems to me there are a number of guys in this draft that can fill in for some of the Sterling and Wes minutes, would love to lock in a guy for the next couple years that can be a contributor there. I am thinking Sterling is gone next season and Wes and/or Korver will probably be in there last year with us, so finding someone that can develop into those minutes with a year of development would be great.

M-C-G · Post #439 » by **M-C-G** » Mon May 11, 2020 12:34 am

For those that haven't seen this guy, would definitely appear to fill the gap of getting another facilitator and creator on the roster. Also seems like a guy that could benefit a lot from some of Suki's attention.

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RiotPunch · Post #440 » by **RiotPunch** » Mon May 11, 2020 1:11 am

M-C-G wrote:Couple questions if you have had him on your radar (I was just reading about him and watched a highlight vid today) what do you think about his shooting ability? The low 3% is a bit of a concern, but I never knew the guy existed before today, so might be context there...does it translate to an average or above average shooter?

Any idea about his ability to play team defense?

From watching the vids, I think he is one of those guys that would be a fan favorite for sure...reminds me just a bit of Toni Kukoc

I personally think his shot will be good enough, but there are smart people who are skeptical. Right now he is a better creator/finisher than he is a shooter, but he's gotten a lot better which is encouraging.

He's a limited athlete, but I think he'll be a plus on and off-ball defender. Tenacious as hell and smart, great deflection timing similar to Donte.

Kukoc is a solid comp, but Bolmaro is a better lateral mover with more burst, better defender, Kukoc the better shooter. A bigger Rubio is a popular comp, I've heard Nando de Colo as well, which is probably his floor.