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[skones]

SAC isn't doing better than a salary dump and picks for Bagley.

First, I don't agree at all. If he's dealt, I think they'll do better than just a straight salary dump. There are teams willing to take swings on guys like Bagley. If there weren't, Parker would have never gotten 20M from the Bulls. Like I just said, they're invested. Just because he holds X value to other teams in trade, doesn't mean they accept X value to do a deal. There's a disconnect with draft picks in that regard, especially those taken high and developed in house. I don't think they're motivated to deal him and the sunk cost fallacy plays into that.

[crowhead76]

DJ Wilson is probably the only piece that the Bucks realistically will move this season. If that is the case what would be the ideal player/greatest position of need to get in return? DJW does not hold much value so the return will be limited and the Bucks will probably need to attach a SRP or 2 for a player of value.

My wish list would be rim protection, so guys like McGee and Noel seem to fit, unfortunately they do not space the floor which limits their minutes and effectiveness in the playoffs, but it would be better than an empty roster spot which is what DJW seems to be at this point.

A high IQ player like Garrett Temple would be a welcome addition as well, he can guard multiple spots and handle spot PG duties.

Zach Collins seems like a boom or bust option, he may not play this year and has been a walking injury for Portland but he could be a long term solution at center next to Giannis, or at the very least a great 2 way rotational player. Financially the Bucks would have to send out one of the Rookies or Craig with DJW and SRP to make the deal work but it may be a win for both teams. Portland could get a look at DJW for the rest of the year on their injury riddled team. Bucks swap a non contributing Wilson with the hopes that Collins can play this year and help them in the playoffs off the bench. If it works out, they move Brook freeing up money to possibly resign Portis and Collins next season.

POR has zero interest in this deal.

POR is very invested in ZC and view him as a core piece, right or wrong, and will take more than a handful of weak assets to change that.

Portland was very high on Collins, but from what I have read, there is some speculation that they are ready to move on. He has been incredibly injury plagued. He is a RFA this next season and if another team offers anything substantial I do not think they match, so they lose him for nothing. I do agree it is a weak offer but his stock is pretty low right now. He is risk vs reward, Portland needs to start thinking about paying Simons and Trent Jr, how much more are they willing to invest in Collins at this point. I do agree he was high priority for them but I think this last injury has them in a different place with him.

The Bucks were very high on Jabari and he was a core piece, until he wasn't.

[coolhandluke121]

Slowpez + DJW for Dieng and his expiring contract is like $45,000 too much in incoming salary if the Bucks are hard-capped. Diengit!

[giannis and 1]

DJA, DJW, Pat, Forbes, 2022 2nd, 2023 2nd
for
Rubio, Nowell

Brook/Portis/Diakete
Giannis/Craig
Middleton/Nwora
DDV/Merrill/Nowell
Jrue/Rubio/Adams

[DrWood]

And the context of our roster makes him worth 3 years 16 million pumping up his value to positive? That's not how it works. He's absolutely a negative asset. I don't see how it's debatable.

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my eyes and stats say you're wrong.

Well, common logic says you shouldn't put a whole lot of stock into small sample size. So your eyes and stats? Not worth a whole lot. But hey, interesting that "stats" mean things to you now given you've lauded Pat Connaughton as an "excellent defender" for some time now without stats actually supporting that.

you must be looking at the wrong stats. or can't interpret them.

[JRoy]

DJ Wilson is probably the only piece that the Bucks realistically will move this season. If that is the case what would be the ideal player/greatest position of need to get in return? DJW does not hold much value so the return will be limited and the Bucks will probably need to attach a SRP or 2 for a player of value.

My wish list would be rim protection, so guys like McGee and Noel seem to fit, unfortunately they do not space the floor which limits their minutes and effectiveness in the playoffs, but it would be better than an empty roster spot which is what DJW seems to be at this point.

A high IQ player like Garrett Temple would be a welcome addition as well, he can guard multiple spots and handle spot PG duties.

Zach Collins seems like a boom or bust option, he may not play this year and has been a walking injury for Portland but he could be a long term solution at center next to Giannis, or at the very least a great 2 way rotational player. Financially the Bucks would have to send out one of the Rookies or Craig with DJW and SRP to make the deal work but it may be a win for both teams. Portland could get a look at DJW for the rest of the year on their injury riddled team. Bucks swap a non contributing Wilson with the hopes that Collins can play this year and help them in the playoffs off the bench. If it works out, they move Brook freeing up money to possibly resign Portis and Collins next season.

POR has zero interest in this deal.

POR is very invested in ZC and view him as a core piece, right or wrong, and will take more than a handful of weak assets to change that.

Portland was very high on Collins, but from what I have read, there is some speculation that they are ready to move on. He has been incredibly injury plagued. He is a RFA this next season and if another team offers anything substantial I do not think they match, so they lose him for nothing. I do agree it is a weak offer but his stock is pretty low right now. He is risk vs reward, Portland needs to start thinking about paying Simons and Trent Jr, how much more are they willing to invest in Collins at this point. I do agree he was high priority for them but I think this last injury has them in a different place with him.

The Bucks were very high on Jabari and he was a core piece, until he wasn't.

Some of us are still members of the shrinking ZC fan club.

He teases with quick feet, challenging shots at the rim and knocking down 3s but has been unable to maintain health and production.

I don’t think POR matches an offer above mid level but Olshey loves his guys.

Good point about Parker. I remember the first time my son and I saw him play prior to the nba and he looked liked a sure fire all star to us.

[skones]

my eyes and stats say you're wrong.

Well, common logic says you shouldn't put a whole lot of stock into small sample size. So your eyes and stats? Not worth a whole lot. But hey, interesting that "stats" mean things to you now given you've lauded Pat Connaughton as an "excellent defender" for some time now without stats actually supporting that.

you must be looking at the wrong stats. or can't interpret them.

Like.....say

The defense being 4.9 points per 100 possessions better with him off the floor last year?
Ranking 296th in DRAPM at a -.08
Ranking 595th for 3 Year DRAPM at a -.75
Ranking 224th at .08 in D-LEBRON
Ranking 316th in DRPM at -1.75
Ranking 96th in RAPTOR at .5

These stats that all very much agree he's not an "excellent defender" I suppose you put all of the weight into DBPM and DWS/48 which are far more simplistic than the above metrics (and less encompassing than a larger group of them)? The thing about it here, is that I'm not choosing one specific number which confirms my own bias like you are. Psst.....where there's a lot of smoke, there's fire. Nothing says he is an "excellent defender."

[buckbeer]

Nets probably looking to trade for another defensive center to improve their defense, plus Brook can shoot 3s too which would help their offensive scheme.

Trade Brook and Wilson for Joe Harris and Nicolas Claxton. Then trade Augustin for Bjelica (expiring contract).

Starters: Jrue/Harris/Middleton/Giannis/Portis
Bench: DDV/Forbes/Pat/Craig/Bjelica/Claxton

[SupremeHustle]

DJA, DJW, Pat, Forbes, 2022 2nd, 2023 2nd
for
Rubio, Nowell

Brook/Portis/Diakete
Giannis/Craig
Middleton/Nwora
DDV/Merrill/Nowell
Jrue/Rubio/Adams

As bad as I think our bench is this trade makes it worse.

[giannis and 1]

DJA, DJW, Pat, Forbes, 2022 2nd, 2023 2nd
for
Rubio, Nowell

Brook/Portis/Diakete
Giannis/Craig
Middleton/Nwora
DDV/Merrill/Nowell
Jrue/Rubio/Adams

As bad as I think our bench is this trade makes it worse.

We could sign someone like Ariza from the buyout market.

[giannis and 1]

Nets probably looking to trade for another defensive center to improve their defense, plus Brook can shoot 3s too which would help their offensive scheme.

Trade Brook and Wilson for Joe Harris and Nicolas Claxton. Then trade Augustin for Bjelica (expiring contract).

Starters: Jrue/Harris/Middleton/Giannis/Portis
Bench: DDV/Forbes/Pat/Craig/Bjelica/Claxton

I like it but I don't think the Nets would.

[Rstuedes24]

Ersan has been actively working out, including with someone in a bucks shirt(?). His Twitter activity and just general logic makes me think we are very likely to bring him back mid season and I wouldn’t even be mad. Love me some Ersan.

[tedbrogen]

Ersan has been actively working out, including with someone in a bucks shirt(?). His Twitter activity and just general logic makes me think we are very likely to bring him back mid season and I wouldn’t even be mad. Love me some Ersan.

It makes way too much sense. They need one more trustworthy big in the rotation to avoid potentially using DJW in the playoffs. Ersan knows the system and should hopefully be fresh.

Unless someone like Ariza becomes available and wants to sign with the Bucks, Ersan is probably their best bet.

[emunney]

What % of the Jrue package would it have taken to get high enough in the draft to take Haliburton?

[coolhandluke121]

What % of the Jrue package would it have taken to get high enough in the draft to take Haliburton?

Don't do this to yourself.

[AussieBuck]

I really wanted to find an offseason Bledsoe upgrade and Jrue was a pants-wettingly great one so I don't let my mind wander around what that package could have otherwise got. Taking the W.

[raferfenix]

This team could use Ersan.

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[JimmyTheKid]

The last thing we need is a guy like Ersan lengthening Bud's rotation and taking minutes from Bobby Portis. If Brook or Bobby get hurt, sure. Otherwise let Ersan stay "game ready" for another team.

[German Athens]

What % of the Jrue package would it have taken to get high enough in the draft to take Haliburton?

Before the Jrue trade, I thought 24 and Bledsoe might be able to get 12 pre draft. But I think I overestimated Bledsoe’s value. Maybe hill, Bledsoe and 24 pre draft?

I’m not sure sac would be interested in that package and we’d likely need to include a third team to get more picks.

I have no idea how to factor the future unprotected firsts and pick swaps in.

Maybe hill and bled each net a late first. So three picks in the 20’s for 12? It looks like from recent drafts a pick from about 10-13 goes for two picks in the later mid first. In 2014, pick 11 went for 16+19. In 2017, 10 went for 15+20, also in 2017 13 went for trey lyles (Who I think was the 12th pick from 2015)+24. Man Denver **** up.

Factoring in that Halliburton fell in the draft, I’m not sure 3 picks in the late 20’s gets you to 12. You’d probably have to include Donte and remove one of those late firsts. Also, sac would have to really like the player pool in the late 20’s.

[M-C-G]

Man, I know I only catch the national games these days, but the version of Forbes I saw the other night was a perfect piece for this team. He gave a lot of effort on defense even if he wasn't great, moved off the ball really well and got the ball up quickly. I can see why they brought him in.

DJA, I'm not sure, I definitely wanted him but I feel like he hasn't found out how to fit in just yet. I'd say stay patient and let's give it some more run time. He has skills this team needed really badly.

I don't think we are trading Pat.

Basically I think you swap DJ Wilson for something. And I'd absolutely bring Ersan back as just an extra big that can stretch the floor and play high IQ bball. I'd still try to talk Marvin into coming out of retirement though.