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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#421 » by Gianstoppable » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:15 am

JayMKE wrote:Some of you guys are acting like 0-2 on the road that the series is over, we got at least 1 more game before we can say that for sure. Playing on the home court matters I think, NBA championship caliber teams overcome these odds. If belting a team at home to a 2-0 series lead meant it was over then I think we'd already have our ring.

Not to mention playing against a team with 2 HOF playing, 3 when Harden is back
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#422 » by Prez » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:16 am

JayMKE wrote:Some of you guys are acting like 0-2 on the road that the series is over, we got at least 1 more game before we can say that for sure. Playing on the home court matters I think, NBA championship caliber teams overcome these odds. If belting a team at home to a 2-0 series lead meant it was over then I think we'd already have our ring.

Teams that go up 2-0 have gone on to win the series 93% of the time. Let's be real, this **** is over. This team doesn't have the talent, IQ, or mental toughness to come back and win this series. Obviously I'd love to look stupid on this in a couple weeks but I don't think I will.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#423 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:18 am

JayMKE wrote:Some of you guys are acting like 0-2 on the road that the series is over, we got at least 1 more game before we can say that for sure. Playing on the home court matters I think, NBA championship caliber teams overcome these odds. If belting a team at home to a 2-0 series lead meant it was over then I think we'd already have our ring.


Agreed. I’m not totally wed to that 93% stat since a lot of that was established pre this new three-point era. There is a lot more performance variance in the current era IMO.

But if they lose game 3, I’m totally shoveling the dirt on them.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#424 » by Karsenmitsche » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:20 am

The good news, the best analyst in the world (Vegas Odds) thinks we are a 3.5 point favorite Thursday
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#425 » by TD75 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:23 am

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paulpressey25 wrote:There is a scenario out there that Bud has overachieved with this roster the past three years. Not sure I subscribe to it, but plausible.


Outside of being pretty stubborn and having a ceiling of what he is as a playoff/situational coach, I think Bud probably got the best out of what he had.

Outside of not being able to adjust and totally underperforming in the most important part of the season, Bud probably got the best out of what he had.

????

Outside of not being able to hit a Free Throw or a 3 point shot and making bad decisions consistently, Giannis probably got the best out of what he had.

????

Outside of not being able to dribble without turning the ball over when a defender is within 5 feet and not being able to guard for major parts of the game and scoring horribly inefficiently for important playoff games , Khris probably got the best out of what he had.

????

Sorry but I do not get it.

There many reasons that contribute to the bucks performing like this consistently and, as expected, the Head Coach is not getting the best out of what he had.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#426 » by Gianstoppable » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:25 am

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JayMKE wrote:Some of you guys are acting like 0-2 on the road that the series is over, we got at least 1 more game before we can say that for sure. Playing on the home court matters I think, NBA championship caliber teams overcome these odds. If belting a team at home to a 2-0 series lead meant it was over then I think we'd already have our ring.

Teams that go up 2-0 have gone on to win the series 93% of the time. Let's be real, this **** is over. This team doesn't have the talent, IQ, or mental toughness to come back and win this series. Obviously I'd love to look stupid on this in a couple weeks but I don't think I will.

Previous statistics literally mean nothing in current NBA. Raptors were down 0-2 and won it all. Clippers were down 0-2 and advanced. It happens. I get the fascination with the percentage stats but everyone cringes when you mention the teams that melted down after being up when it seemed insurmountable (Bucks up 2-0 ECF, Packers vs Seahawks, etc) sports happens, that's why you play. Durant could tear his Achilles and Bucks could win 4 straight. They COULD even go 4-1 against this Nets team as constructed but they need to be mentally tough. Unlikely but you cant flat out say they are done.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#427 » by TommyFR34K » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:30 am

i might be off-topic but every time I watch a Hawks game, Bogdan is balling hard.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#428 » by rilamann » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:31 am

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BucksStatsGuy wrote: I watched for four years players who would not execute on a gameplan once you actually start playing the game. They forget certain things. They freeze up. Players are human, and you have to operate on a split second.


To me this all goes back to what we had in 2019 on the roster versus now.

Brogdon - calm as all get out. And hit big, big shots when we needed them

Hill - Had a way of getting guys on the second unit to play to their strengths

Ersan - Was like Merlin out there in regards to his ability to read the floor. Always in the right place.

Bledsoe - Yes he got the yips offensively, but on defense he could blow things up at the point of attack. Jrue is great, but Jrue isn't that type of defender. He's more a one on one guy versus top wings.

We've gone backwards on the roster. That falls on some sort of conglomerate of Horst, Bud and the Lasry's.


This post reminded me of the infamous game 3 vs Toronto in 2019, George Hill was our leading scorer in that game with 24 points, Brogdon added 20 points. We lost because Giannis only scored 12 points on 31% from the filed and couldn't hit a free throw to save his life, while Middleton gave us a clutch performance with 9 big points.

The more things change, the more they stay the same I guess.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#429 » by Prez » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:36 am

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JayMKE wrote:Some of you guys are acting like 0-2 on the road that the series is over, we got at least 1 more game before we can say that for sure. Playing on the home court matters I think, NBA championship caliber teams overcome these odds. If belting a team at home to a 2-0 series lead meant it was over then I think we'd already have our ring.

Teams that go up 2-0 have gone on to win the series 93% of the time. Let's be real, this **** is over. This team doesn't have the talent, IQ, or mental toughness to come back and win this series. Obviously I'd love to look stupid on this in a couple weeks but I don't think I will.

Previous statistics literally mean nothing in current NBA. Raptors were down 0-2 and won it all. Clippers were down 0-2 and advanced. It happens. I get the fascination with the percentage stats but everyone cringes when you mention the teams that melted down after being up when it seemed insurmountable (Bucks up 2-0 ECF, Packers vs Seahawks, etc) sports happens, that's why you play. Durant could tear his Achilles and Bucks could win 4 straight. They COULD even go 4-1 against this Nets team as constructed but they need to be mentally tough. Unlikely but you cant flat out say they are done.
Ask yourself who was the best player on those Raptors and Clippers teams that overcame those 0-2 deficits and compare that dude as a playoff guy to our best player. That’s why I have zero confidence.

And one of those two comebacks was against us, which only speaks more to the fragility of this core lol.

Obviously if Durant gets hurt we could beat them, I’m not really focusing on those potential scenarios nor do I want to.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#430 » by blazza18 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:42 am

As sad as it is to say If Giannis was Kawhi, Jokic, Luka you'd not write the team off.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#431 » by Prez » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:51 am

blazza18 wrote:As sad as it is to say If Giannis was Kawhi, Jokic, Luka you'd not write the team off.
There are like 9 players right now who (when fully healthy) I’d take over Giannis for a playoff run with no hesitation. Giannis is barely a top 10 playoff guy IMO.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#432 » by blazza18 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:53 am

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blazza18 wrote:As sad as it is to say If Giannis was Kawhi, Jokic, Luka you'd not write the team off.
There are like 9 players right now who (when fully healthy) I’d take over Giannis for a playoff run with no hesitation. Giannis is barely a top 10 playoff guy IMO.


I remember you saying this months ago too. Just sucks for us that as good as he is Giannis just isn't that dude.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#433 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:02 am

blazza18 wrote:As sad as it is to say If Giannis was Kawhi, Jokic, Luka you'd not write the team off.

It's not like Luka has won anything. Obviously still early and I probably would take him over Giannis but let's not act like we would be thinking Luka would lead us back from 0-2 when he just lost a series up 2-0
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Post#434 » by Chad34 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:12 am

okay even I as a Giannis fan boy I had some pretty harsh words and disappointing feelings during last nights game, but I have to say people are going a little overboard with the Giannis bashing. How's this, I'm making a guarantee Giannis will be the best player on the court for game 3. book it :nod: Giannis >durant, kyrie, and all his doubters in game 3. In fact he will lead his team to the series victory :o yeah, I said that :lol:
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#435 » by humanrefutation » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:13 am

I'm catching up on some podcasts/streams and it's so sad to hear how confident so many smart basketball people were in the Bucks doing into this series.

It makes me cringe.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#436 » by blazza18 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:14 am

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blazza18 wrote:As sad as it is to say If Giannis was Kawhi, Jokic, Luka you'd not write the team off.

It's not like Luka has won anything. Obviously still early and I probably would take him over Giannis but let's not act like we would be thinking Luka would lead us back from 0-2 when he just lost a series up 2-0


Luka as a teenager won a bunch of **** in the Euroleague so yea I'd say I'd have more confidence in his game leading us back in this series.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#437 » by Milbucks96 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:14 am

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blazza18 wrote:As sad as it is to say If Giannis was Kawhi, Jokic, Luka you'd not write the team off.

It's not like Luka has won anything. Obviously still early and I probably would take him over Giannis but let's not act like we would be thinking Luka would lead us back from 0-2 when he just lost a series up 2-0

Luka dominated a series with Paul George and Kawhi guarding him, and almost won with Tim Hardaway jr as his 2nd best player. Giannis hasn’t even had a series like that against lower seeds. Luka is hands down is a better playoff performer than Giannis
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#438 » by TD75 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:20 am

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MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
blazza18 wrote:As sad as it is to say If Giannis was Kawhi, Jokic, Luka you'd not write the team off.

It's not like Luka has won anything. Obviously still early and I probably would take him over Giannis but let's not act like we would be thinking Luka would lead us back from 0-2 when he just lost a series up 2-0


Luka as a teenager won a bunch of **** in the Euroleague so yea I'd say I'd have more confidence in his game leading us back in this series.

Not only that (which is substantial), but also Luka's playstyle is a much better fit in the modern NBA.
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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#439 » by mke_design » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:40 am

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Re: PG: Nets Edge Out Bucks in Game 2 

Post#440 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:41 am

I don't know why you guys are so bent out of shape. Ownership has accomplished all its goals. They tricked Giannis into signing a longterm extension while also avoiding the luxury tax. You think these ownership clowns care about winning? Nah, all they care about is the ledger.

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