Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[soxperry]

I should though... Trading for PJ makes no sense. We would lose Bobby or Pat and that would be stupid. Bobby has too much value and Pat actually looks useful again. PJ would have to get released and then signed at vet min, unless its part of a larger trade.

[SirChurros]

Anyone who thinks it’s a good idea to bring PJ back needs to have their brain examined.

[M-C-G]

Sending out Marjon for a roster spot and signing PJ is uninspiring but fine. While we don’t need to get older, I don’t mind us getting meaner

[soxperry]

Anyone who thinks it’s a good idea to bring PJ back needs to have their brain examined.

Just a very well thought out, strong argument. Hard to counter.

[MiltownMadness]

Anyone who thinks it’s a good idea to bring PJ back needs to have their brain examined.

Just a very well thought out, strong argument. Hard to counter.

Not really much to say, he hasn't been an NBA player for 2 years. Just sounds like the sentiment of someone that only pays attention to the Bucks and doesnt realize PJ is 40

[soxperry]

Anyone who thinks it’s a good idea to bring PJ back needs to have their brain examined.

Just a very well thought out, strong argument. Hard to counter.

Not really much to say, he hasn't been an NBA player for 2 years. Just sounds like the sentiment of someone that only pays attention to the Bucks and doesnt realize PJ is 40

I watched him d up Giannis early last season. He was moving just fine. There are like 3 other contenders linked to him right now. Maybe those gms are just bucks fans too?

[ShootingtheJ]

1 takeaway from Indy was hiding KM on a 4 on D could be a way (power) forward for him if he'll use his leverage like he did vs Siakim to make him take tough shots

Never a need to hide Mids on D, they always give him a priority assignment. Bucks weren't going to waste Mids talents on Nesmith.

Jimmy Buckets has questions then.

Huh? Jrue was the one who got torched by Jimmy. So my theory was right all along, you don't know which player Middleton actually is.

[ShootingtheJ]

I should though... Trading for PJ makes no sense. We would lose Bobby or Pat and that would be stupid. Bobby has too much value and Pat actually looks useful again. PJ would have to get released and then signed at vet min, unless its part of a larger trade.

PJ is a negative asset, so the question is what's the assets coming back if we were to deal for him?

[humanrefutation]

The Bucks shouldn't go in the extreme opposite direction back to washed players well into their 30's (to almost 40 in this case) simply because they struggle to evaluate unproven players from their teens to early 20's.

This is why you can't give Horst too much praise as a GM. Anyone can trade a boatload of draft picks for veteran/"proven" talents. It takes real skill as a GM to actually evaluate undefined talent and make shrewd moves.

[MiltownMadness]

Just a very well thought out, strong argument. Hard to counter.

Not really much to say, he hasn't been an NBA player for 2 years. Just sounds like the sentiment of someone that only pays attention to the Bucks and doesnt realize PJ is 40

I watched him d up Giannis early last season. He was moving just fine. There are like 3 other contenders linked to him right now. Maybe those gms are just bucks fans too?

So everyone is supposed to ignore the years of stats that say that PJ is extremely washed/unplayable because you saw him "d up giannis" at the beginning of last year? Do you realize that PJ has been a malcontent for the last 2 years because he still believes he is a rotation piece on a contender but no contender will even dare to pick him up/play him because they know he is a wash and malcontent.

And that is classic agent speak, PJ has been on contenders the last 2 years and they realized he sucked and couldn't wait to get rid of him. He and his agent are just trying to sucker 1 more team with faux interest

[ReasonablySober]

PJ's been with three contenders in the three years since he was last with the Bucks, and all three dumped him.

Pass.

[machu46]

Anyone who thinks it’s a good idea to bring PJ back needs to have their brain examined.

Just a very well thought out, strong argument. Hard to counter.

Not really much to say, he hasn't been an NBA player for 2 years. Just sounds like the sentiment of someone that only pays attention to the Bucks and doesnt realize PJ is 40

Devil's advocate: he didn't look like an NBA player at the end with Houston when we acquired him either and then he found his game again.

I was never really a fan of his though and certainly would not be a fan of bringing him in as a player now.

[Bernman]

Read on Twitter

1. simple Marjon trash for garbage
2. PJ Tucker (gross)
3. Bobby, he's gone after this season, already making the "pay me" signs, Bucks aren't going to doom themselves apron & tax-wise

[ReasonablySober]

Reminder that putting NBA Insider in your twitter bio doesn't actually make you an NBA Insider.

[paulpressey25]

The Bucks shouldn't go in the extreme opposite direction back to washed players well into their 30's (to almost 40 in this case) simply because they struggle to evaluate unproven players from their teens to early 20's.

This is why you can't give Horst too much praise as a GM. Anyone can trade a boatload of draft picks for veteran/"proven" talents. It takes real skill as a GM to actually evaluate undefined talent and make shrewd moves.

Horst still did damn well on those deals. Think back to giving up first round picks for guys like Sox Perry, trading up to draft Pryz, Respect, Tractor Traylor. Trading for guys like Maggette and Stephen Jackson.

Horst's only issue is young players. He found DDV but then couldn't keep him. That's been it.

[DingleJerry]

He also hit on several value buys like Lopez, Pat, Portis and a few others when they were generally unwanted in the league. Since then and with young pieces, but yea not so much luck.

[CharityStripe34]

Logging on drinking Grey Goose out at a bar and seeing PJ discussions is so 2021 lol.

Sent from my Pixel 8 Pro using RealGM mobile app

[JayMKE]

i could get behind PJ as an assistant coach for Doc

[ShootingtheJ]

PJ's been with three contenders in the three years since he was last with the Bucks, and all three dumped him.

Pass.

This. Clippers are trying to win, if PJ could play, they'd play him. Lue can coach.

The only possible reason we'd have interest is if the Clippers give up picks for Bobby, picks to take PJ, and there's a 3rd team that will trade a cheap, high quality player for those picks. That seems far fetched.

[mattg]

The Bucks shouldn't go in the extreme opposite direction back to washed players well into their 30's (to almost 40 in this case) simply because they struggle to evaluate unproven players from their teens to early 20's.

This is why you can't give Horst too much praise as a GM. Anyone can trade a boatload of draft picks for veteran/"proven" talents. It takes real skill as a GM to actually evaluate undefined talent and make shrewd moves.

Horst still did damn well on those deals. Think back to giving up first round picks for guys like Sox Perry, trading up to draft Pryz, Respect, Tractor Traylor. Trading for guys like Maggette and Stephen Jackson.

Horst's only issue is young players. He found DDV but then couldn't keep him. That's been it.

Ehh, you're giving him wayyyyy too much credit for the DDV pick. It's actually not that good of a pick when you actually break it down. Besides the fact that DDV was too hurt when he was with us to actually contribute in meaningful games, he also didn't play remotely well enough to justify a rookie extension and he didn't actually have any sort of meaningful development after 4 seasons. Then we traded him for pretty much no value.

It's not a great pick if the player doesn't really contribute much while on their cheap rookie deal, and they don't show enough to justify handing them an extension which is exactly what happened. The fact that after 6 seasons DDV became a good starter is nice, but he wasn't that for us (and likely never even remotely approaches who he is now if we resigned him, that motivation of being discarded AND playing with GSW really made DDV improve a bunch)

The DDV pick was solid, but not anything more. DDV was a good defensive role player for us, but he was always more of a what if than anything else. He couldn't shoot reliably, the idea that he could finish a layup while here was laughable, and he had no PG ability. He was a great energy guy, guard rebounder, and PoA defender on the perimeter. This board just drastically overrates how good of a pick that is because Horst is beyond awful in scouting and drafting so DDV in the teens looks like a world beating pick because people here are used to Horst drafting numerous players who have 1 trait in common, they are legit just bad at basketball.