Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

Frank Nova · Post #4281 » by **Frank Nova** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:31 pm

LUKE23 wrote:No chance Utah even considers Exum for Middleton and we would be fools not to do that trade if it was on the table. I mean, come on.

What in the world has Exum shown you that you've seen on NBA standards that makes you so confident about that? Youtube videos and stuff you've read on Exum pre NBA is clearly all you have to go from. He looks totally shell shocked. He's been absolutely no better than Nik Stauskas this year play wise. Exums ceiling right now has dropped from Australian Michael Jordan most of you deemed him all the way to pseudo MCW who everyone hates around here and your willing to just toss off 1 of our best players for him?

I get the potential and all that jazz (no pun) but after watching Exum play these 1st 50 games im certainly not ready to write him off but from a basketball perspective he certainly doesn't look the part in the least.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #4282 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:37 pm

I watched every bit of tape I could find on exum last year including 3 hs games start to finish. I didn't get the love affair then and I definitely don't now. I think guys are just having a hard time admitting they could be so wrong about somebody. similar to darko or vesely or whoever you wanna comp this situation to. hype guy with bad comps utterly fails on this level and it usually takes 2-3 years for people to ALL finally admit he was in above his head

M-C-G · Post #4283 » by **M-C-G** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:01 pm

It's weird everyone for years wanted a young core with a high ceiling and efficient scoring. Now that we have that, plus two potential stars under 20, the goal is to get younger and trade our young players that are demonstrating legit NBA skills and the ability to win and improve , for younger players that haven't demonstrated anything. All for the chance we find the next McLemore.

LUKE23 · Post #4284 » by **LUKE23** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:04 pm

Comparing Exum to McLemore makes no sense. Exum is a high ceiling PG that is one of the youngest players in the league. It doesnt matter, Jazz hang up the phone on us.

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Wisky4life · Post #4285 » by **Wisky4life** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:11 pm

With 5 days left in the deadline, next week is really going to be exciting. I hope we find out more about Larry and his roster spot so we can make a smart trade for a big man. If we can land a decent one, we have a shot in the East.

yoshii8 · Post #4286 » by **yoshii8** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:08 pm

If we could somehow get Cody Zeller for Ersan, I would be thrilled and shocked. I think the most I'd expect is an expiring, and I'd be ok with that.

raferfenix · Post #4287 » by **raferfenix** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:20 pm

I don't see a need to trade for a big man if we are dropping Ersan for cap space that allows us to sign Koufos / Kanter / Monroe / O'quinn this Summer.

If that is the plan then I would get why we'd pass on Stauskas.

He is definitely a buy-low prospect but we are resigning 2 SG's this summer (3 if you count Dudley) so he might not be worth it if we'd otherwise be targeting our long term starting center.

yoshii8 · Post #4288 » by **yoshii8** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:26 pm

Because Zeller is also a young prospect that is almost 7 foot tall with a big upside.

yoshii8 · Post #4289 » by **yoshii8** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:27 pm

And we'd have to count on one of those guys to sign with us.

Ike · Post #4290 » by **Ike** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:35 pm

MiltownHawkeye wrote:I know this trade would never ever happen but, Middleton for Exum, do you do it?

Not a chance. Middleton is the better player.

Ike · Post #4291 » by **Ike** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:38 pm

LUKE23 wrote:No chance Utah even considers Exum for Middleton and we would be fools not to do that trade if it was on the table. I mean, come on.

So you think it's better to get rid of a young player who is developing into one of the premier shooters in the league for a young guy who has done nothing?

Licensed to Il · Post #4292 » by **Licensed to Il** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:41 pm

I like the Hornet Zeller a lot, I think he will be a late bloomer of sorts that is a real versatile starting center with range. He still needs to get stronger, but all things considered Zeller is a better value right now than Kanter, and both are in kind of unique situations where their teams would probably be open to moving them for vets. Also, I bet Jordan could be talked in to taking a chance on Sanders. I know niether of these names is sexy, but Zeller or Koufos would be great gets to play next to Giannis and Jabari. Offensively at least.

Ike · Post #4293 » by **Ike** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:41 pm

M-C-G wrote:It's weird everyone for years wanted a young core with a high ceiling and efficient scoring. Now that we have that, plus two potential stars under 20, the goal is to get younger and trade our young players that are demonstrating legit NBA skills and the ability to win and improve , for younger players that haven't demonstrated anything. All for the chance we find the next McLemore.

That is the mentality of the people who always push for the young "assets". They don't have the patience for those players to develop. As soon as they start to develop, people on this board want to trade them for even younger players with potential. In reality, if you want to win, you need to let these players develop fully, with each other and learn to win. Continually turning the roster over for younger players will never work.

LUKE23 · Post #4294 » by **LUKE23** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:43 pm

The youngest player in the league. Was Giannis lighting the world on fire after 50 games as the youngest last season? I like Exum as a prospect. I like Middleton keep in mind I've been one of his biggest advocates. I like Exum more. But no chance Utah does the deal anyway.

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Ike · Post #4295 » by **Ike** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:47 pm

LUKE23 wrote:The youngest player in the league. Was Giannis lighting the world on fire after 50 games as the youngest last season? I like Exum as a prospect. I like Middleton keep in mind I've been one of his biggest advocates. I like Exum more. But no chance Utah does the deal anyway.

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Are you assuming the Bucks would?

trwi7 · Post #4296 » by **trwi7** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:48 pm

Ike wrote:
M-C-G wrote:It's weird everyone for years wanted a young core with a high ceiling and efficient scoring. Now that we have that, plus two potential stars under 20, the goal is to get younger and trade our young players that are demonstrating legit NBA skills and the ability to win and improve , for younger players that haven't demonstrated anything. All for the chance we find the next McLemore.

That is the mentality of the people who always push for the young "assets". They don't have the patience for those players to develop. As soon as they start to develop, people on this board want to trade them for even younger players with potential. In reality, if you want to win, you need to let these players develop fully, with each other and learn to win. Continually turning the roster over for younger players will never work.

Or they think the other player has a higher ceiling and therefore would be willing to take the risk that that player turns into a better core piece than Middleton.

If whoever wins the #1 pick in the draft offered that pick (Okafor) for Knight and Middleton, would it be okay to say we would take the deal even though Knight and Middleton are young and starting to develop even though Okafor is just a younger player with potential?

LUKE23 · Post #4297 » by **LUKE23** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:48 pm

No idea. Its irrelevant.

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yoshii8 · Post #4298 » by **yoshii8** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:48 pm

We should definitely be shopping Larry to the team who decided to give big money to Lance Stephenson. Maybe Jordan will bring in Rodman as a mentor for Sanders.

Licensed to Il · Post #4299 » by **Licensed to Il** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:49 pm

The reason I would not trade Middleton for many deals, is that he is almost a top level shooter, ad though he is not thought of as a great defender among casual league followers, he kind of is though. Outside of Klay Thompson, there are very few perimiter guys that can contribute so much on both ends. Having said that, I would trade him for Exum in a heartbeat because that kid has a chance at becoming Penny Hardaway. I kind of chuckle at people ready to give up on elite prospects after half a year, or use stats from such a small sample size to dismiss their overall career potential. Exum didn't get drafted with the expectation that he would star from the start. He is raw, skinny, undemonstrative, unassertive, and needs a lot of work on his shot. Utah knew what they would get in year one. he is also incredibly fluid, team oriented, hard working, lengthy, and dedicated to improving. I guess I can understand why some did not like him, but not how someone could have liked him at the draft only to sour on him now. That doesn't make a lot of sense.

LUKE23 · Post #4300 » by **LUKE23** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:51 pm

Villanoeyebrows wrote:The reason I would not trade Middleton for many deals, is that he is almost a top level shooter, ad though he is not thought of as a great defender among casual league followers, he kind of is though. Outside of Klay Thompson, there are very few perimiter guys that can contribute so much on both ends. Having said that, I would trade him for Exum in a heartbeat because that kid has a chance at becoming Penny Hardaway. I kind of chuckle at people ready to give up on elite prospects after half a year, or use stats from such a small sample size to dismiss their overall career potential. Exum didn't get drafted with the expectation that he would star from the start. He is raw, skinny, undemonstrative, unassertive, and needs a lot of work on his shot. Utah knew what they would get in year one. he is also incredibly fluid, team oriented, hard working, lengthy, and dedicated to improving. I guess I can understand why some did not like him, but not how someone could have liked him at the draft only to sour on him now. That doesn't make a lot of sense.

Yep. Agree with twirls post too.

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