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Re: Sessions Update:Knicks a no-go per Hahn/Chubby (pg 250) 

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Re: Sessions Update:Knicks a no-go per Hahn/Chubby (pg 250) 

Post#4382 » by LUKE23 » Tue Sep 1, 2009 2:58 am

Maybe all the GM's intended to do the same things Hammond is doing to let the market set the price of Ramon's contract.


Hammond doesn't care about Sessions whatsoever. That is pretty evident at this point. He could have gotten good value at the deadline, but he passed on that, then proceeded to intentionally destroy his leverage to force a S/T by signing Warrick and adding other salary with Amir for Delfino/Ukic.

If Sessions walks or we get garbage in a S/T, the only argument people will have is that "Hammond views these players as more valuable". That's great, it doesn't mean he's correct.

Why does it matter what the market ends up being when you can't keep Sessions anyway? The only thing that bails Hammond out at this point is Sessions taking the QO, which won't happen if him going to RFA again next year is true.
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Re: Sessions Update:Knicks a no-go per Hahn/Chubby (pg 250) 

Post#4383 » by Nebula1 » Tue Sep 1, 2009 2:59 am

A youtube mix of Ramon I hadn't seen yet. Not too bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcAq7p6tdQQ


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Re: Sessions Update:Knicks a no-go per Hahn/Chubby (pg 250) 

Post#4384 » by Joana » Tue Sep 1, 2009 3:53 am

BucksRUS wrote:At the trade deadline last year Sessions was on a min salary contract. Now he is asking to be paid significantly more. That is the difference.


Yeps, fairly easy to understand. If teams aren't willing to commit salary space for the kind of contract Sessions is asking, why would they consider to commit the salary + value?

LUKE23 wrote: then proceeded to intentionally destroy his leverage.


If that happened, then Sessions is a de facto UFA and the "he's a RFA" excuse doesn't have merit any more.
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Re: Sessions Update:Knicks a no-go per Hahn/Chubby (pg 250) 

Post#4385 » by carmelbrownqueen » Tue Sep 1, 2009 3:56 am

pasting_monkeys wrote:Weren't we linked to Arroyo a couple of weeks ago?

Arroyo also played for the Pistons when Hammond was there, so there's that Detroit connection again.

I'd only be interested in Arroyo if Ridnour gets moved. Otherwise no thanks.

I'm surprised fans are acting like the arroyo rumors are something new.. we actually heard about the Bucks possible interest in Arroyo, that was something we discussed over a month ago.
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Re: Sessions Update:Knicks a no-go per Hahn/Chubby (pg 250) 

Post#4386 » by carmelbrownqueen » Tue Sep 1, 2009 4:09 am

I just want this whole Ramon Sessions situation over with already. We have nearly 300 pages of the same argument rehashed over and over again. Sessions is worth the MLE. Sessions isn't worth the MLE. Sessions is a starting PG on a good team. Sessions is nothing more than a back up on most teams. There are a bunch of teams that want Sessions. There aren't a bunch of teams that want Sessions. Sessions is only still not signed because he's an RFA. Sessions wasn't the only RFA this offseason and in some cases lessor players have been signed way before Sessions, so it isn't his RFA status holding him up. Sessions should be a Buck next year, if not then Hammond screwed the pooch. If Sessions isn't on the Bucks next season Hammond didn't screw anything, he made a smart decions because Sessions isn't worth the money he wants. blah blah blah.

For the most part.. the same arguments are being argued over and over again. Sessions still isn't signed and all of his options are wearing very thin. Honestly I wish the mods would lock this ridiculously large thread up but I fear yet another one will be started with the exact same frivilous arguments so whats the point.

At this point I am tired of hearing, waiting or wondering what will happen with Ramon.. I just want it over with already.
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Re: Sessions Update:Knicks a no-go per Hahn/Chubby (pg 250) 

Post#4387 » by Wise1 » Tue Sep 1, 2009 4:13 am

Queen, you forgot "there are too many point guards in the league already and on the horizon that are just as good as Ramon. So why in Dee Hell would any gm pay Ramon 4-6 million dollars per when they can draft another Ramon potentially as deep as the second round"??????
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Post#4388 » by lawrybeard » Tue Sep 1, 2009 4:15 am

and the GFC.
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Re: Sessions Update:Knicks a no-go per Hahn/Chubby (pg 250) 

Post#4389 » by carmelbrownqueen » Tue Sep 1, 2009 4:17 am

Wise1 wrote:Queen, you forgot "there are too many point guards in the league already and on the horizon that are just as good as Ramon. So why in Dee Hell would any gm pay Ramon 4-6 million dollars per when they can draft another Ramon potentially as deep as the second round"??????

:lol:

Yep I forgot that one, but it was definitely worth noting.
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Re: Sessions Update:Knicks a no-go per Hahn/Chubby (pg 250) 

Post#4390 » by BDUB_30 » Tue Sep 1, 2009 6:28 am

lawrybeard wrote:Maybe Hammond changed his number.



He got sick of ramons mom calling him begging for a contract. At least thats what people are telling me on my end.
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Re: Sessions Update:Knicks a no-go per Hahn/Chubby (pg 250) 

Post#4391 » by BDUB_30 » Tue Sep 1, 2009 6:40 am

LUKE23 wrote:
Maybe all the GM's intended to do the same things Hammond is doing to let the market set the price of Ramon's contract.


Hammond doesn't care about Sessions whatsoever. That is pretty evident at this point. He could have gotten good value at the deadline, but he passed on that, then proceeded to intentionally destroy his leverage to force a S/T by signing Warrick and adding other salary with Amir for Delfino/Ukic.

If Sessions walks or we get garbage in a S/T, the only argument people will have is that "Hammond views these players as more valuable". That's great, it doesn't mean he's correct.




At the first paragraph, if you concider taking on conleys deal and giving up JA to do so , " VALUE " then you have very poor vision for this team . I would have no interest at all in paying conley to back up BJ. Far to expensive and longterm its even worse , not to mention giving up JA to do so. BLAH .... He proceeded to intentionaly destroy his leverage ? Dude , you live in a fantasy world if you honestly think John Hammond is signing players just so he has an excuse to not sign Ramon . That type of paranoia requires medicine. What kind of leap of logic do you make to honestly think that hammond would sign a player just so he doesnt have to sign ramon. I mean wow !


The second paragraph. That is true . It doesnt mean that signing warrick/delfino or however you want to slice is was the correct move . Only time will tell . Of course , you dont really understand that position because you will write it off as a failure far before we even know . Dont forget , its fair to say that Ramon will be judged in accordance to what he ends up getting . So say he gets a 3-9 deal .. THen its no longer JUST about this year , its also about what we do with the cap space in years coming .


Id much rather have delfino on this team then Ramon. He fills a void , ramon does not . simple as that .We dont need a 3rd string pg or a inexpirenced backup pg . Ramon plays no role on this team what so ever. Delfino most likely will be our starter. He can shoot the ball and spread the floor , something we desperatly need . Your inside outside game with bogut is enhanced with Delfino , its marginalized with Ramon.



I think its amazing people are going this hard over a carrer backup . I mean what are you guys gonna say if hes coming off the bench in la and not getting burn ? Or if he cant beat out duhon. The excuses will be comical " Hes young and still learning , give him time " ...hahah ... " next year will be the year " ..." Players dont peak till their 27 years, 5 months . 17 days ..18 minutes ...26 seconds old " ...." Berri says sessions is an impact player " ...." he scored 30 off the bench against the Raptors "

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Re: Sessions Update:Knicks a no-go per Hahn/Chubby (pg 250) 

Post#4392 » by GrandAdmiralDan » Tue Sep 1, 2009 8:09 am

Bogutneedsball wrote:Can we sign Sessions to 1 year contingent on us relinquishing his RFA status the following year?


Nope. Not allowed.

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:cj watson, in an identical situation, and a similar talent to sessions..... just accepted the qualifying offer at 1 mil to play for the warriors again next year. he'll then be RFA again in 2010.

i have a feeling were going to end up seeing the same from ramon..lol ideally we'll have him at 1 mil, on a expiring deal, and we can package him at the deadline as a RFA. we have a PERFECT offseason brewing here.


If Ramon signs just a 1 year deal with us, any trade during a 1 year period would not only require Ramon's consent, but if he were to consent to such a trade, he'd be forefeiting his full bird rights and having them be reduced to non-bird rights. Those two things drastically reduce any possibility of trading Sessions during the 09-10 season if Sessions were to take his QO.

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lawrybeard wrote:Not sure if this has been posted, but if true it could mean Sessions is definitely expected to play elsewhere next year:

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/08/arroyo-will-get-back-to-the-nba/

According to several sources, Arroyo, represented by Leon Rose, is in talks to join either the Boston Celtics or the Milwaukee Bucks.


Weren't we linked to Arroyo a couple of weeks ago?


Yes.
As stupid as I thought it was then to bring in Arroyo, it has comically managed to get even more stupid, because we have since added Roko Ukic to the roster.
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Re: Sessions Update:Knicks a no-go per Hahn/Chubby (pg 250) 

Post#4393 » by LUKE23 » Tue Sep 1, 2009 12:05 pm

If that happened, then Sessions is a de facto UFA and the "he's a RFA" excuse doesn't have merit any more.


The Bucks not having leverage has absolutely nothing to do with what type of FA he is, it has to do with how much they can fit under the lux tax, which wouldn't be relevant to what type of FA he is. Your argument makes no sense.
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Re: Sessions Update:Knicks a no-go per Hahn/Chubby (pg 250) 

Post#4394 » by KnicksChamps » Tue Sep 1, 2009 7:23 pm

trwi7 wrote:
paul wrote:Seems like this could be the 'it's now or never' play for Ramon. Sign now or we're bringing in someone else and you'll be down to the Clips and Knicks, neither of whom want to pay you.


Not really. Seems like a let's add 37 players to our roster. 36 isn't enough.



And you think your team wants to pay Sessions?
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Post#4395 » by BucksRUS » Tue Sep 1, 2009 7:34 pm

KnicksChamps wrote:

And you think your team wants to pay Sessions?


Sure seems like no team does. Including the Bucks. :)
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Post#4396 » by KnicksChamps » Tue Sep 1, 2009 7:44 pm

BucksRUS wrote:
KnicksChamps wrote:

And you think your team wants to pay Sessions?


Sure seems like no team does. Including the Bucks. :)



I really feel bad for the guy. He's young, he's got a high ceiling, but nobody is willing to pay for him. The knicks are better off without him. We already have Duhon, Robinson, and our rookie Douglas. If he was a free agent a couple of years ago, a bunch of teams would be all over him.
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Re: Sessions Update:Knicks a no-go per Hahn/Chubby (pg 250) 

Post#4397 » by loflin3hree5ive » Tue Sep 1, 2009 7:59 pm

It looks like the Clippers aren't willing to commit to Sessions long term, as it appears they are now interested in trading for Brent Barry.
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Post#4398 » by emunney » Tue Sep 1, 2009 8:21 pm

Well, that's good news for us.
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Post#4399 » by Max Green » Tue Sep 1, 2009 8:21 pm

Ouch, it's starting to look more and more like Ramon might be returning for QO.
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Post#4400 » by KnicksChamps » Tue Sep 1, 2009 8:52 pm

MVP4Champ wrote:Ouch, it's starting to look more and more like Ramon might be returning for QO.


At the end of the day, he's going to be on the Bucks...

I really don't want him on the knicks. He would limit our other PG's from getting better.

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