#12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert

RiotPunch · Post #441 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:31 pm

Yeah I saw that, I still had to edit for Mike's proper recognition as a player though.

msiris · Post #442 » by **msiris** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:31 pm

JoeHova wrote:Thinking about it for awhile, you guys are right. This trade is not bad. I'm disappointed to lose a nice young player in Leuer and to move down, but it's only 2 spots and Dalembert is still pretty good. That's the key difference between this trade and Hammond's previous trades for vets. Dalembert can still play. I still think it's the wrong direction in general but this is not a bad move in isolation, unless Leuer develops more than any of us think he will.

There really is no difference between Leuer and Dalembert. Niether of them would have an impact on our run for the 8th seed.

tski1972 · Post #443 » by **tski1972** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:31 pm

BuckPack wrote:Ellis isn't going anywhere (yet).

this was from page 5 of this thread......I want to know more about this "yet" part.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #444 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:32 pm

wtf does resigning ersan have anything to do with whether this is a decent trade or not?

Post #445 » by **jr lucosa** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:32 pm

RiotPunch wrote:Yeah I saw that, I still had to edit for Mike's proper recognition as a player though.

It is the right thing to do.

Baddy Chuck · Post #446 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:32 pm

There's a reason this is the picture realgm used.

SheedsWeed · Post #447 » by **SheedsWeed** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:32 pm

RiotPunch wrote:I'd like to have Ersan, but the price will be too high. Who are we kidding? No way in hell is Ers worth $8-$9M+ per year. Between him, Moute and Gooden that is way too much money for a mediocre PF rotation.

Again, boils back down to Drew **** Gooden.

Yeah, that's why I don't really want Ersan back either. It's too bad Ersan can't just have Gooden's contract and Gooden the free agent.

Badgerlander · Post #448 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:32 pm

mySynergySports ‏@mySynergySports

Bucks ranked 20th in pick and roll - roll man efficiency last season. Samuel Dalembert ranked 13th among players with 1.21 PTS/Possession

unklchuk · Post #449 » by **unklchuk** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:32 pm

I view this trade as a savvy move. To me it feels like a foundation move that prepares the way for another move or two. Maybe something tomorrow. Maybe later this off-season. A mid-level move that may have better than mid-level consequences. Will likely help the team's fit. Good fit makes the individuals better.

I assume that there are at least 14 players the Bucks would like to have. If so, dropping 2 slots matters little.

The notions that Leuer and Ersan are core players for us would generate a generous laugh, if it wasn't so passionately argued. Leuer has positives but overall is just a member of the cast. And Ersan only looks like a middling co-star when the script, the direction, the lighting and the makeup are favorable.

LUKE23 · Post #450 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:33 pm

Just for reference, Dalembert was +4.1 points per 100 possession last year (+1.5 offense, +2.6 defense). Defense won't be an issue for the Bucks, but they probably have the worst offensive frontcourt in the league if they don't keep Ilyasova.

emunney · Post #451 » by **emunney** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:34 pm

This is another one of those "good in a vacuum" deals. Livingston and Brockman are dead money as far as I'm concerned. It's too bad to lose Leuer, but he is not irreplaceable. We probably can't choose between the wings we like (vintage Hammond) and figure at least one of them will still be there at 14.

But what's really fascinating to me is that Dalembert was in demand largely because most of his contract is NG'd, and it seems like we acquired him to play him. So not only do we not maximize OUR assets, we're now acquiring OTHER TEAM'S assets to squander.

xTitan · Post #452 » by **xTitan** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:35 pm

DocHoliday wrote:
mySynergySports ‏@mySynergySports

Bucks ranked 20th in pick and roll - roll man efficiency last season. Samuel Dalembert ranked 13th among players with 1.21 PTS/Possession

Go watch Goran Drajic run the pick and roll and you will realize why it worked.

Treebeard · Post #453 » by **Treebeard** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:35 pm

unklchuk wrote:
The notions that Leuer and Ersan are core players for us would generate a generous laugh, if it wasn't so passionately argued. Leuer has positives but overall is just a member of the cast. And Ersan only looks like a middling co-star when the script, the direction, the lighting and the makeup are favorable.

Yup. We suffer from great expectations from guys who are complimentary players at best

RandyBreuer · Post #454 » by **RandyBreuer** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:36 pm

tski1972 wrote:
BuckPack wrote:Ellis isn't going anywhere (yet).

this was from page 5 of this thread......I want to know more about this "yet" part.

Ellis/14 for 3/Blatche

xTitan · Post #455 » by **xTitan** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:36 pm

Treebeard wrote:
unklchuk wrote:
The notions that Leuer and Ersan are core players for us would generate a generous laugh, if it wasn't so passionately argued. Leuer has positives but overall is just a member of the cast. And Ersan only looks like a middling co-star when the script, the direction, the lighting and the makeup are favorable.

Yup. We suffer from great expectations from guys who are complimentary players at best

LOl...this whole team is complimentary players, that's the problem.

msiris · Post #456 » by **msiris** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:36 pm

europa wrote:
jr lucosa wrote:
xTitan wrote:throw in his ability to space the floor.....what other "big" on this team can space the floor?

When I think about it, who on our roster now other than Jr. and Brandon when he's hot can space the floor?

Dunleavy.

Dunleavy is a big now? I thought he was more like a SG in a big mans body?

Post #457 » by **jr lucosa** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:36 pm

If Ily is gone Gooden is getting minutes for sure.

I can't see our front court rotation being
Dalembert/Sanders
Udoh/LRMAM/

With Gooden being the guy getting squeezed because none of those guys can hit consistent jumpers to save their lives. That will be our way to justify Durr getting minutes.

Nebula1 · Post #458 » by **Nebula1** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:37 pm

Bucksfans1and2 wrote:So we're not only going to get worse, we're going to get older.

Yeah

How does 1 year of Dalembert suddenly make this team older? This should be a positive for Sanders and Udoh as players.

Avoiding Ersan is avoiding a big $$$ contract that we simply don't need on the books right now. You'll get over not having him on the squad quick enough and won't regret not having the contract to deal with.

Bfinkish · Post #459 » by **Bfinkish** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:37 pm

if we draft terrence jones at 14 and play him at sf for his career id be very very happy.

bj
monta
jones
moute
dalembert

Profound23 · Post #460 » by **Profound23** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:37 pm

This feels like trading for Magloire or CV. Bucks love trading for players who look dominant against the Bucks. I am going to miss Leuer, but don't love or hate the trade. If nothing else Dalembert doesn't need the ball on offense and will play defense/rebound.

Dalembert/Gooden/Ersan/Ellis/Jennings

That is good enough to be #7 in the East and get swept outta the first round.