Official #2 Pick Thread - BP says it's down to AW/JP

AussieBuck · Post #442 » by **AussieBuck** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:42 am

cinematographer wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:McDermott does not fit the Hammond drafting Profile of high athleticism and Upside. McDermott will be a fascinating test case. Almost nobody with his steal/block ratio has had any use in the NBA, then again if he became 90-100% of Parker Offensively I wouldn't be shocked either. There is a lot of use in the NBA for an awesome shooting player with legit scoring moves, size, and decent athleticism.

I find it funny how Gary Harris is universally forgotten about. On many boards see people clamoring for Vonleh, Gordon, Stauskas, Smart, Gordon, Lavine, Payton, etc but Harris is completely ignored. I have no opinions on him since I almost never saw him but you never hear him brought up on any team's board.

Aint nobody building fantasy teams around a SG with an 8 foot standing reach.

It can't be that low.

EDIT:

Sweet Jesus.

The Tyler Zeller of SGs.

Baddy Chuck · Post #443 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:43 am

AussieBuck wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:McDermott does not fit the Hammond drafting Profile of high athleticism and Upside. McDermott will be a fascinating test case. Almost nobody with his steal/block ratio has had any use in the NBA, then again if he became 90-100% of Parker Offensively I wouldn't be shocked either. There is a lot of use in the NBA for an awesome shooting player with legit scoring moves, size, and decent athleticism.

I find it funny how Gary Harris is universally forgotten about. On many boards see people clamoring for Vonleh, Gordon, Stauskas, Smart, Gordon, Lavine, Payton, etc but Harris is completely ignored. I have no opinions on him since I almost never saw him but you never hear him brought up on any team's board.

Aint nobody building fantasy teams around a SG with an 8 foot standing reach.

He's Zach LaVine level atrocious at creating and finishing as well.

cinematographer · Post #444 » by **cinematographer** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:43 am

Get on them for only playing in the Adriatic or Croatian League, but Bogdanovic and Saric had ENORMOUS pushes in their respective teams' runs to hardware. Every good thing that can be said about Parker's competitive streak can also be said about them. And can you imagine the ball movement and cutting with Giannis? And Exum if he's our guy at 2?

pilprin · Post #445 » by **pilprin** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:47 am

I think it is McDermott...based on questionable compatibility with Parker.

I am not in the Exum over Wiggins camp. Take Wiggins or Parker and stop overthinking it.

MrPerfect1 · Post #446 » by **MrPerfect1** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:57 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:McDermott does not fit the Hammond drafting Profile of high athleticism and Upside. McDermott will be a fascinating test case. Almost nobody with his steal/block ratio has had any use in the NBA, then again if he became 90-100% of Parker Offensively I wouldn't be shocked either. There is a lot of use in the NBA for an awesome shooting player with legit scoring moves, size, and decent athleticism.

I find it funny how Gary Harris is universally forgotten about. On many boards see people clamoring for Vonleh, Gordon, Stauskas, Smart, Gordon, Lavine, Payton, etc but Harris is completely ignored. I have no opinions on him since I almost never saw him but you never hear him brought up on any team's board.

Aint nobody building fantasy teams around a SG with an 8 foot standing reach.

He's Zach LaVine level atrocious at creating and finishing as well.

For whatever flaws he has, he is seen at the same Prospect level as Lavine, Saric, Payton.

theFireBlanket · Post #447 » by **theFireBlanket** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:30 am

Can anyone produce BuckPack's quote about Hammond's reaction to Saric's withdrawal? Couldn't find it myself looking through his posts or searching via G.*

theFireBlanket · Post #448 » by **theFireBlanket** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:49 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/346737831378550784[/tweet]

Was this the actual source of that information? :-?

Frank Nova · Post #449 » by **Frank Nova** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:49 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
weezybaby856 wrote:Ur still missing a 9th guy. U keep saying 5-9 and only name 4 players outside of the obvious top 4. If we traded for the 9th pick then essentially everyone uve mentioned is gone. Did we miss our target or is it someone like McDermott or Saric who we'd want to guarantee? Everything I see about McDermott has him not making it past Philly at 10. Charlotte and Philly are both rumored to go Stauskas/McDermott, Philly gets leftover.

So who's ur 9th guy? And why is that so outrageous to u?

No ninth guy. I think there are four guys who are almost always in that 5-9 area on mocks these past few weeks with a few randoms squriming their way in every once in a while. It's BuckPack, he's not going to say 5-9 and mean a guy who is often located 9-14.

Yeah I see ur point. It's also pretty feasible to think that 9th pick in specific is probably the least attainable considering only way Charlotte trades out is to move up and I can't see us helping much there. 7 and 8 seem to be actually up for grabs but I'd still like the satisfaction of who the 9th guy would although I see the irrelevance now. It would be nice to just bring a few of those guys in for workouts so A. We know they're serious and B. So maybe we could narrow it down. I definitely hope it's Smart.

Baddy Chuck · Post #450 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:51 am

weezybaby856 wrote:I definitely hope it's Smart.

Well BuckPack also said he questioned the fit with Parker, so that would lean towards Vonleh, Randle or Gordon.

cinematographer · Post #451 » by **cinematographer** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:00 am

theFireBlanket wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/346737831378550784[/tweet]

Was this the actual source of that information?

Bernman · Post #452 » by **Bernman** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:00 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:[Well BuckPack also said he questioned the fit with Parker, so that would lean towards Vonleh, Randle or Gordon.

That's bizarre, because he fits so much better than with the others listed. I would actually think drafting Parker would preclude making the trade, unless he views Vonleh as a center, which I don't, and he doesn't project to provide good rim protection next to Parker.

BTW, can you or someone re-produce BP's posts. I read back quite a few pages but couldn't seem to locate it.

Baddy Chuck · Post #453 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:02 am

Bernman wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:[Well BuckPack also said he questioned the fit with Parker, so that would lean towards Vonleh, Randle or Gordon.

That's bizarre, because he fits so much better than with the others listed.

He wasn't saying Parker doesn't fit, he's saying the player we were targeting 5-9 didn't necessarily fit if we did draft Parker at 2.

raferfenix · Post #454 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:07 am

"Sacramento's trading their pick" - Bill Simmons says this definitively at about the 38 minute mark of his podcast.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/b-s-r ... edictions/

Lakers have various trade rumors about their pick but we haven't heard much about the Kings lately.

Hopefully Hammonds has zeroed in on something there.

theFireBlanket · Post #455 » by **theFireBlanket** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:09 am

Bernman wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:[Well BuckPack also said he questioned the fit with Parker, so that would lean towards Vonleh, Randle or Gordon.

That's bizarre, because he fits so much better than with the others listed. I would actually think drafting Parker would preclude making the trade, unless he views Vonleh as a center, which I don't, and he doesn't project to provide good rim protection next to Parker.

BTW, can you or someone re-produce BP's posts. I read back quite a few pages but couldn't seem to locate it.

BuckPack wrote:Hammond has a crush on a player that's a unanimous 5-9 pick. Interestingly, I'm not sure where he'd fit if Parker is the pick.

(note: June 11th is when this was posted).

Bernman · Post #456 » by **Bernman** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:09 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:He wasn't saying Parker doesn't fit, he's saying the player we were targeting 5-9 didn't necessarily fit if we did draft Parker at 2.

Yeah, I knew that. I was referring to Smart fitting with Parker better than all the others.

Why wouldn't they fit, too much girth on the court? Because Smart is a great all-around defender who can take pressure off Parker defensively in multiple ways, and offensively he's pretty deferential. That's the reality. He just dumped the ball off to a teammate once he passed halfcourt frequently, or just got them the ball in a position to exploit a mismatch. So that works well with Parker and Giannis. They can all share the duty of being the engine for the offense, whichever is in rhythm or has a mismatch on that night.

raferfenix · Post #457 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:11 am

...and right after I post about an absence of Kings rumors of late, I found this:

Also, the Sacramento Kings are very open to dealing the eighth pick and have been looking to upgrade over Isaiah Thomas. One potential deal to watch is the New Orleans Pelicans sending Jrue Holiday to the Kings for the pick. The Pelicans have been looking for a pick in the first round and have been shopping Holiday.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/06/21 ... s-to-no-4/

Baddy Chuck · Post #458 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:11 am

Bernman wrote:Yeah, I knew that. I was referring to Smart fitting with Parker better than all the others.

Why wouldn't they fit, too much girth on the court? Because Smart is a great all-around defender who can take pressure off Parker defensively in multiple ways, and offensively he's pretty deferential. That's the reality. He just dumped the ball off to a teammate once he passed halfcourt frequently, or just got them the ball in a position to exploit a mismatch. So that works well with Parker and Giannis.

Who questioned Smart's fit with Parker?

I'm saying his comment makes it seem like it would be one of the power forward we're targeting and not Smart.

Bernman · Post #459 » by **Bernman** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:15 am

raferfenix wrote:...and right after I post about an absence of Kings rumors of late, I found this:

Also, the Sacramento Kings are very open to dealing the eighth pick and have been looking to upgrade over Isaiah Thomas. One potential deal to watch is the New Orleans Pelicans sending Jrue Holiday to the Kings for the pick. The Pelicans have been looking for a pick in the first round and have been shopping Holiday.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/06/21 ... s-to-no-4/

That might be better than any of the deals we could propose. It just depends on their view of Henson/Sanders and their motivation to plug a bunch of holes instead of just one. Because we can plug other teams holes among the best of them right now. We've had great role players over the last few years, they just didn't have anyone to play a supporting role to.

LedZepp007 · Post #460 » by **LedZepp007** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:19 am

The Parker hate is out of control.

Ok, so he's not a good defender. We all agree on that. I think he will get better. Will never be elite, but decent to good is a possibility.

All this other bull? Athleticism? It's better than Pierce or Melo and it's not close. It's pretty good overall, honestly. He's strong. Excellent rebounder. Surprisingly good shot blocker. Excellent handle, great on the break. Better playmaker than given credit for (his teammates were highly overrated). I just don't know what the problem is.

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Parker or Wiggins?