Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership

bizarro · Post #441 » by **bizarro** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:04 pm

Wow. Thank the heavens John Hammond is gone. I know, I know, he's a very personable guy. But, let's be clear, I will commemorate this day as long as i live: May 23rd, the day the 'Yes' man said 'Yes' to someone else.

Iheartfootball · Post #442 » by **Iheartfootball** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:06 pm

TheWig wrote:Where's BuckPack?

On his way to Orlando.

NomNomNomParker · Post #443 » by **NomNomNomParker** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:06 pm

TheWig wrote:Where's BuckPack?

Heading to Orlando.

MidnightBuck · Post #444 » by **MidnightBuck** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:08 pm

Sadly, this makes it seem as if Kidd is more locked in than ever. Or am I missing something?

Superfito · Post #445 » by **Superfito** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:10 pm

Here's the thing: the most likely scenario is that the way an NBA team is operated and the role a GM has within it is probably very much different than what we all assume it to be. Really, we all know nothing on this subject. We can watch players play, but we have even less data on a GM. Public speaking means pretty much nothing in this regard as there are plenty of brilliant business leaders that are laughably bad public speakers. I mean, who the hell knows? Hammond drafted Giannis, but the org has also shot itself in the foot a bunch under his watch. At the end of the day, we still have the Unicorn. Who cares if a business leader transitions?

I think more importantly, this move gives us another opportunity to learn more about how ownership is going to handle big decisions. Do they go after experience? Make the easy hire? Spend huge on a proven "winner"? Lots to see here...

Garden Of Edens · Post #446 » by **Garden Of Edens** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:11 pm

I seriously don't understand all the hate for Hammond. He gave us Giannis!! Did he give out terrible terrible deals, absolutely, but we will never know if he actually made those deals or not. One thing is for sure, he drafted very well and made out on most trades, including stealing Middleton. Trader John will be missed

brettski · Post #447 » by **brettski** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:13 pm

NomNomNomParker wrote:
TheWig wrote:Where's BuckPack?

Heading to Orlando.

Ok two people quoted this very close together... I've never seen it even hinted who BuckPack was (although I remember PP25 saying he thought he'd figured it out) but are we saying he was in Weltman or Hammonds crew and a certainty to be on the move? Would be a shame to lose a legitimate source.

Rockmaninoff · Post #448 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:14 pm

It's going to be super interesting to see what he does in Orlando.

4xBuck · Post #449 » by **4xBuck** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:14 pm

Rockmaninoff wrote:Now our cap is Monroe instead of Simmons, Delly instead of Mo, Mirza instead of Mason, and Henson instead of Gadz. Good luck new guy. You've got 9 years.

Did you just compare Monroe to Simmons?... :lol:

You forgot to compare Giannis, Mids and Thon... Good luck with that.

4xBuck · Post #450 » by **4xBuck** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:15 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:In 2017 there is still people talking about Larry Harris' mess. Incredible.

That's hilarious... Probably the most hypocritical thing every poster, like ever...

You're perpetually on the rag, yet bellyaching about others complaining.

:lol:

4xBuck · Post #451 » by **4xBuck** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:16 pm

MidnightBuck wrote:Sadly, this makes it seem as if Kidd is more locked in than ever. Or am I missing something?

That's scary.

Too bad this didn't happen after the draft.

Rockmaninoff · Post #452 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:18 pm

4xBuck wrote:
Rockmaninoff wrote:Now our cap is Monroe instead of Simmons, Delly instead of Mo, Mirza instead of Mason, and Henson instead of Gadz. Good luck new guy. You've got 9 years.

Did you just compare Monroe to Simmons?...

You forgot to compare Giannis, Mids and Thon... Good luck with that.

Just saying that we're capped out again 9 years later.

Definitely happy that we've got Giannis and Thon.

buckboy · Post #453 » by **buckboy** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:18 pm

Garden Of Edens wrote:I seriously don't understand all the hate for Hammond. He gave us Giannis!! Did he give out terrible terrible deals, absolutely, but we will never know if he actually made those deals or not. One thing is for sure, he drafted very well and made out on most trades, including stealing Middleton. Trader John will be missed

MD, do you want to post his record or should I?

The funniest part of this is posts like this one. How anyone could not understand the hate for Hammond is beyond me. Disagree with it? Sure. Fine. But not be able to understand it? Come on.

Edit: Also, I can be very grateful that he drafted Giannis and still think he's an idiot.

worthlessBucks · Post #454 » by **worthlessBucks** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:19 pm

Nowak008 wrote:

A genuine lol.

I've always viewed Hammond leaving as the civil rights battle of this forum's lifetime.

Baddy Chuck · Post #455 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:20 pm

4xBuck wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:In 2017 there is still people talking about Larry Harris' mess. Incredible.

That's hilarious... Probably the most hypocritical thing every poster, like ever...

You're perpetually on the rag, yet bellyaching about others complaining.

Sorry for your loss.

Superfito · Post #456 » by **Superfito** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:26 pm

I will say this. Interviewing for a position, losing out on it, and ultimately taking a job under the person that beat you out is totally a Hammond move.

4xBuck · Post #457 » by **4xBuck** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:26 pm

Rockmaninoff wrote:Just saying that we're capped out again 9 years later.

Definitely happy that we've got Giannis and Thon.

OK, fair enough... Although, I think the cap is much better now.

What I got out of it was the difference in the quality of the roster more than the cap situation.

raferfenix · Post #458 » by **raferfenix** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:26 pm

I give Hammond a lot of credit for picking Giannis and trading for Middleton.

Also have high hopes for Thon and Brogdon.

But throughout his tenure Hammond never was able to pick up the right mix of players to get out of the first round of the playoffs.

Kohl and Kidd deserve their fair share of blame as well but that doesn't mean Hammond was the right GM for our team moving forward.

Frank Nova · Post #459 » by **Frank Nova** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:29 pm

So is the consensus around here now; are we more comfortable, less comfortable or nothing has changed heading into the draft?

I'm personally less comfortable since I was really warming up to picking Diallo at 17 and trying to hit another home run with him and I'm not sure we take that type of approach now with Hammond gone 30 days before the draft....

Thoughts?

blazza18 · Post #460 » by **blazza18** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:32 pm

I give Hammond credit for never really having a plan on how to build a consistently good team but doing just enough to warrant what will be close to 15 years as a general manger in the NBA.