ATL - New Lottery Rules Move to Owner Vote - pg59

[emunney]

I don't quite get the amount of hype for Zizic. He's a decent 7-footer prospect, but not super mobile or as explosive as you'd want for someone who's as raw and unpolished as he is. His age (20) seems to be the major draw and what people are banking on, but I just don't see much more than a rotational big at the NBA level, talent-wise.

He's not Thon, but he's not immobile. He changes ends well, he's got a good motor, good touch, he plays with good feel, and he's huge for his age. He's going to be ragdolling guys when he starts getting into his mid-20s. Think of him as a bigger Kurt Thomas. By all accounts he's extremely competitive and very coachable.

Considering how well he played in Euroleague last year, I don't think it's crazy to think he's got a real shot at RoY if he finds the minutes. I don't know, man. I don't get the sense you're going to be convinced, but the kid is a legit beast.

[ReasonablySober]

I don't quite get the amount of hype for Zizic. He's a decent 7-footer prospect, but not super mobile or as explosive as you'd want for someone who's as raw and unpolished as he is. His age (20) seems to be the major draw and what people are banking on, but I just don't see much more than a rotational big at the NBA level, talent-wise.

He's not Thon, but he's not immobile. He changes ends well, he's got a good motor, good touch, he plays with good feel, and he's huge for his age. He's going to be ragdolling guys when he starts getting into his mid-20s. Think of him as a bigger Kurt Thomas. By all accounts he's extremely competitive and very coachable.

Considering how well he played in Euroleague last year, I don't think it's crazy to think he's got a real shot at RoY if he finds the minutes. I don't know, man. I don't get the sense you're going to be convinced, but the kid is a legit beast.

The little I've seen of him reminds me of Adams.

[midranger]

Yeah, wide 7 footers with high motors, good hands/coordination, and even basic skill level don't have to be elite athletes to be really helpful.

[Fotis St]

Has someone shared yet their opinion on how it would be good for our team to trade away positive assets to acquire a pick that is going to turn into an 18 year old when Giannis has 4 years left on his contract? Don't think I've seen that argument yet.

Again, it's time to **** or get off the pot.

People keep saying we have a four year window. What do you think the Bucks chances of winning a championship over the next two seasons are? I will say 0%. The 18 year old can be a superstar by the time Giannis' current contract is up but Giannis isn't leaving in 4 years anyway. We will be able to offer him far more money than he can get anywhere else.

Name the previous 18 year old who became a superstar during his 3rd year ?

Who and When was it ?

I can only think one, LeBron.

[Ron Swanson]

He's got some decent form on his jumper so there's some stretch potential there, but everything about him screams high-floor/low-ceiling prospect to me. Typical of what you'd find in the 20-25 range where he was drafted. Good thing to have, but people were acting like he was some major piece getting thrown in the Kyrie trade.

[mg]

Don't really see why this would be written in ink.

In the video game world, sure you could keep him. In the real world with his personality and clear motivations to head to a major market to be the man.. no chance.

Not really buying the "no chance" at all.

Kyrie apparently had Minnesota and San Antonio on his list of preferred teams. Not exactly "major markets."

If Kyrie were given a chance to play and win with a star(Giannis) closer to his own age I think he would really like the culture in Mil. If Jabari doesn't make it back, I'm assuming he will of course, Kyrie's bff Jimmy Butler is a FA in 2019 too. Something else to keep in mind for the future as Kyrie is the type that could attract future FA's assuming of course he is happy with bucks.

[Ron Swanson]

You have Kyrie locked up for two more seasons on a very reasonable contract. I don't see the need to panic over keeping any player that isn't locked up for the next 4-5 years. You might as well just sell off any and every guy outside of Thon, Brogdon, Wilson, and Giannis if that's the case. Hell, people are already freaking out about Giannis in 2021. Lebron will be 36 by then, and Durant/Curry will both be 32-33.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Has someone shared yet their opinion on how it would be good for our team to trade away positive assets to acquire a pick that is going to turn into an 18 year old when Giannis has 4 years left on his contract? Don't think I've seen that argument yet.

Again, it's time to **** or get off the pot.

People keep saying we have a four year window. What do you think the Bucks chances of winning a championship over the next two seasons are? I will say 0%. The 18 year old can be a superstar by the time Giannis' current contract is up but Giannis isn't leaving in 4 years anyway. We will be able to offer him far more money than he can get anywhere else.

Name the previous 18 year old who became a superstar during his 3rd year ?

Who and When was it ?

I can only think one, LeBron.

Anthony Davis. The only true superstar drafted since Davis is Giannis and Giannis became a superstar in his 4th year. Do you think Giannis is going to bolt if he has a teammate as promising as Giannis was at this time last year? If Porter or Bagley become superstars during their careers, my guess is it will be evident by the time Giannis is a free agent.

The best chance this team has at a championship is when Giannis will be at his peak (2021-2027). Those are the years I want to load up on. No player has ever turned down as much money as we could offer Giannis through the DVPE so I feel secure that he'll be here a while.

[Prez]

It's not simply a 4 year timeline. It's 4 years until he's free to leave as a free agent. We don't know how many years it is until he's pissed off and wants to be traded. And I'm willing to bet you trade his best teammate for a pick and you're gonna find out quicker than expected.

[buckboy]

Dammit. Thought we had dodged this bullet.

[emunney]

Has someone shared yet their opinion on how it would be good for our team to trade away positive assets to acquire a pick that is going to turn into an 18 year old when Giannis has 4 years left on his contract? Don't think I've seen that argument yet.

Again, it's time to **** or get off the pot.

People keep saying we have a four year window. What do you think the Bucks chances of winning a championship over the next two seasons are? I will say 0%. The 18 year old can be a superstar by the time Giannis' current contract is up but Giannis isn't leaving in 4 years anyway. We will be able to offer him far more money than he can get anywhere else.

Name the previous 18 year old who became a superstar during his 3rd year ?

Who and When was it ?

I can only think one, LeBron.

Haven't been many 18 year olds since the one and done rule went into affect. I'll just list players who've been stars by year 3 since LeBron:

Dwight
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Brandon Roy
Durant
Horford
Rose
Westbrook
Love
Griffin
Harden
Wall
Cousins
George
Irving
AD
Lillard
Drummond
Gobert
Giannis
Jokic (2nd year in NBA, third year after being drafted)

Almost every star is a star by their third year.

[SirChurros]

Dammit. Thought we had dodged this bullet.

We have. I'd be shocked if the Cavs and Celtics don't work it out.

[Fotis St]

People keep saying we have a four year window. What do you think the Bucks chances of winning a championship over the next two seasons are? I will say 0%. The 18 year old can be a superstar by the time Giannis' current contract is up but Giannis isn't leaving in 4 years anyway. We will be able to offer him far more money than he can get anywhere else.

Name the previous 18 year old who became a superstar during his 3rd year ?

Who and When was it ?

I can only think one, LeBron.

Anthony Davis. The only true superstar drafted since Davis is Giannis and Giannis became a superstar in his 4th year. Do you think Giannis is going to bolt if he has a teammate as promising as Giannis was at this time last year? If Porter or Bagley become superstars during their careers, my guess is it will be evident by the time Giannis is a free agent.

The best chance this team has at a championship is when Giannis will be at his peak (2021-2027). Those are the years I want to load up on. No player has ever turned down as much money as we could offer Giannis through the DVPE so I feel secure that he'll be here a while.

First things First ... It is a lottery and you can't predict that is a top 2. It could go #7. We don't know and it is a huge gamble I would not take, to sacrifice Khris and Brogdon on ping pong balls.

Do you think Porter,Bagley is AD,Lebron level of talent ? I think not.
In my mind there is zero chance '18 Brooklyn's pick is gonna help Giannis stay a Buck. He won't be ready and at the process losing Khris and Brogdon will probably get us to the lottery. Trading Khris,Brogdon for Brooklyn's pick is a really bad idea.

PS Porter,Bagley are forwards. Giannis and Jabari get most of the Forward minutes. Where do they play ?

[Profound23]

Name the previous 18 year old who became a superstar during his 3rd year ?

Who and When was it ?

I can only think one, LeBron.

Anthony Davis. The only true superstar drafted since Davis is Giannis and Giannis became a superstar in his 4th year. Do you think Giannis is going to bolt if he has a teammate as promising as Giannis was at this time last year? If Porter or Bagley become superstars during their careers, my guess is it will be evident by the time Giannis is a free agent.

The best chance this team has at a championship is when Giannis will be at his peak (2021-2027). Those are the years I want to load up on. No player has ever turned down as much money as we could offer Giannis through the DVPE so I feel secure that he'll be here a while.

First things First ... It is a lottery and you can't predict that is a top 2. It could go #7. We don't know and it is a huge gamble I would not take, to sacrifice Khris and Brogdon on ping pong balls.

Do you think Porter,Bagley is AD,Lebron level of talent ? I think not.
In my mind there is zero chance '18 Brooklyn's pick is gonna help Giannis stay a Buck. He won't be ready and at the process losing Khris and Brogdon will probably get us to the lottery. Trading Khris,Brogdon for Brooklyn's pick is a really bad idea.

PS Porter,Bagley are forwards. Giannis and Jabari get most of the Forward minutes. Where do they play ?

Yes, which is why I would take that gamble.

[Fotis St]

Anthony Davis. The only true superstar drafted since Davis is Giannis and Giannis became a superstar in his 4th year. Do you think Giannis is going to bolt if he has a teammate as promising as Giannis was at this time last year? If Porter or Bagley become superstars during their careers, my guess is it will be evident by the time Giannis is a free agent.

The best chance this team has at a championship is when Giannis will be at his peak (2021-2027). Those are the years I want to load up on. No player has ever turned down as much money as we could offer Giannis through the DVPE so I feel secure that he'll be here a while.

First things First ... It is a lottery and you can't predict that is a top 2. It could go #7. We don't know and it is a huge gamble I would not take, to sacrifice Khris and Brogdon on ping pong balls.

Do you think Porter,Bagley is AD,Lebron level of talent ? I think not.
In my mind there is zero chance '18 Brooklyn's pick is gonna help Giannis stay a Buck. He won't be ready and at the process losing Khris and Brogdon will probably get us to the lottery. Trading Khris,Brogdon for Brooklyn's pick is a really bad idea.

PS Porter,Bagley are forwards. Giannis and Jabari get most of the Forward minutes. Where do they play ?

Yes, which is why I would take that gamble.

Your first gamble is Nets finish bottom 4 (Bulls,Hawks,Suns,Lakers,Sixers,Indiana)
Second gamble is ping pong balls ... best case scenario you got 25% to draft #1 Porter
Third gamble is Porter to actually be a AD,LeBron level talent.

This is too much gamble. No?

[Bucksfan28]

I have a pretty strong disdain for KD, but he's a fantastic listen on The BS Podcast.

They did a mailbag that was surprisingly not dull or cliche. Someone asked the biggest "what-if" in his career, and he said if Harden never got traded. Someone also asked if Hoodie Melo is the best player he's ever played against and I damn near got crushed by the leg press

[Pachinko_]

The best chance this team has at a championship is when Giannis will be at his peak (2021-2027). Those are the years I want to load up on. No player has ever turned down as much money as we could offer Giannis through the DVPE so I feel secure that he'll be here a while.

I wouldn't even dare to guess how much Giannis is swayed by money, because I'm so far removed from his situation. I'm not rich or anything but I can't pretend to understand what kind of relationship a poor kid might have with money especially after he starts tasting it. Could turn him into the greediest bastard of all or it could leave him largely unaffected. No idea.

I do however bet on personalities. Giannis is not the type to do anything radical without at least giving warning or the type to throw meaningless words out there. If I was the Bucks I'd just stay close to the guy, talk to him regularly and listen to what he has to say, and make sure he sees that his opinion carries weight with them.

[SirChurros]

Lowe touching on this a bit today: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501557/zach-lowe-celtics-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba

The Milwaukee Bucks lurk on the fringes of the Irving bidding with an offer centered around Malcolm Brogdon, the reigning NBA Rookie of the Year, and Khris Middleton, sources say. The Bucks have not yet put a first-round pick on the table, sources say, but the bet here is that they would to get the deal done -- or if Irving showed any interest in staying in Milwaukee long-term.

Brogdon and Middleton are good. They can shoot 3-pointers, and switch across multiple positions on defense. They are tailor-made to help the Cavs mimic the Golden State Warriors, the only team LeBron really cares about right now.

They each provide some secondary ball-handling around Giannis Antetokounmpo. They do fine with that stuff in the regular season against most teams; Brogdon is a point guard by trade, and Middleton can post up mismatches and run nifty pick-and-rolls on the left wing. But compared to Irving, they are almost 3-and-D guys. It is a lot to ask of them to create consistent, efficient offense against elite postseason defenses.

A pick from the Bucks, an almost certain playoff team in the junior varsity conference, carries no blue-chip equity.

[DingleJerry]

Would love to somehow have it be Brogdon, Jabari and then add in the 1st, even another first later in order to keep Middleton. I doubt they do it though since it doesn't help this year vs GSW like having both Brog and Khris would. It would be a solid trade for the future though for them though.

[BuckHole]

This fouled-up trade is stressing me out. I feel for Brog and Middleton. However, if we trade Henson, it might be worth the fret.