Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

[pifhluk23]

Eh if we use the TPE and picks to acquire talent this year then it's not a bad outcome given the circumstances. Hes overpaid at 4/88.

[BigO]

We all have people and places we don't like. I'm sure there were a few things that bothered Malcolm about Milwaukee and / or the Bucks, maybe not one thing.

On the other hand, having lived in Indiana for four years - if he thinks that state is even as progressive as Wisconsin, he's in for a big surprise.

Continued discussion on Brogdon not liking Milwaukee as the reason he was traded is absurd. Give us some facts. If Horst thought Brogdon was worth the money, he'd be signed. My gosh, if all a player had to do is say he didn't want to be here, the Bucks would be decimated. So here are some facts. Brogdon got the most money he could get and the Bucks decided it was too much. This other psychobabble is nonsense.

On a more important note, the Bucks outside shooting just got significantly worse. For those who want to trade Ersan, how many shooters do you want to give up before Giannis is guarded by five guys?

[Buck Dweller]

Even if you grant the speculation about him wanting out, they should've held out for a better return. Squandering one of our better assets for a probable mid-late first, a second and a TPE is not cutting it with Giannis' contract ending soon.

How? We didn't have bargaining power.

As far as we know there were no demand for a trade, so no need to trade him immediately. It's possible this was the best return out there, but it would've made sense to at least wait to see if it wasn't.

[kid idioteque]

We all have people and places we don't like. I'm sure there were a few things that bothered Malcolm about Milwaukee and / or the Bucks, probably not just one thing.

On the other hand, having lived in Indiana for four years - if he thinks that state is even as progressive as Wisconsin, he's in for a big surprise.

I've heard some others mention Indiana has some of their own issues with segregation and racial issues. Is that something you notice living there?

Indianapolis is quite segregated (racially and economically). And without getting too political, I'll just say I think racism is an even bigger problem there than it is here.

[kid idioteque]

We all have people and places we don't like. I'm sure there were a few things that bothered Malcolm about Milwaukee and / or the Bucks, maybe not one thing.

On the other hand, having lived in Indiana for four years - if he thinks that state is even as progressive as Wisconsin, he's in for a big surprise.

Continued discussion on Brogdon not liking Milwaukee as the reason he was traded is absurd. Give us some facts.

Like the interview where he blasted Milwaukee for its segregation and racism?

[BUCKnation]

We went 18-8 without Brogdon this year which included playoff games. That is a 57 win pace.

I would have brought Brogdon back over Middleton for sure but this isn’t a catastrophic loss, especially with getting picks back and whatever we can turn that and the TPE into. For instance if you turn this into Eric Gordon it would likely make us much better.

I love Brogdon and wish him well but we chose Middleton over him, so let’s see how the rest plays out.


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Most of those losses were at the end of the year when we started benching giannis and others more frequently too.

[DrWood]

No he didn't. Good lord. He said it was segregated.

Here is his entire quote:

"Before I came to Milwaukee I’d heard the city was the most segregated in the country," Brogdon said in the article. "I’d heard it was racist. When I got here it was extremely segregated. I’ve never lived in a city this segregated. Milwaukee’s very behind in terms of being progressive. There are things that need to change rapidly.”

"Leadership and change starts from the top down — with our owners being progressive," he said. "They encourage players that also want to be forward thinking. For them to support Peter Feigin is a big sign and encourages us to do the same. To speak out for what is good and right.”

He did not like city and I know this first hand. And people personally around him also know that.
It's really not up for debate.

This!. He grew up in Atlanta, his mom is a higher up at Morehouse, hangs out in DC, has a degree in public policy, etc. it’s just common sense. I could only imagine what was going on in his head when he first got up here.

ATL is pretty freaking segregated.

[xTitan]

Brogdon liked the team and the city, just because you believe there are issues doesn’t equate to hating the city. This was about the luxury tax and perhaps Brogdon’s wheels, not willing to pay the luxury tax to go for it is disturbing. IMO the Bucks spent a ton of money today and got worse.

[th87]

It was only a few hours but Gery got a big one right today proving he's been talking to someone in the know.

Wrong. That may be your opinion, but don't state it as fact. The Bucks would never give away a player just because he is unhappy. He played very well all the years he was here. Now if you tell me he was unhappy playing under kidd, you might make some sense.

The Bucks made a judgment call based on salary vs. production. I don't agree with their decision, unless there is an immediate signing that explains it. The Bucks were an excellent team last year and yet didn't win their conference. Do you think they would agree to weaken their team, just to make Brogdon happy? This is fantasy. They either don't value Brogdon as much as I do (which is fair) or they have another move to improve the team. Losing Brogdon means the team is worse than this past season unless something big is happening.

Would you risk signing a player who will end up sitting in the corner pouting and not caring baout his production? To properly answer that question YES the Bucks would trade Brogdon to make him happy. YOu do not risk paying a ton of money to a guy who will likely refuse to play. Only a foolish GM would retain a player that does not want to be around.

I see we've now crossed into the making-sh*t-up realm

[TroyD92]

Wrong. That may be your opinion, but don't state it as fact. The Bucks would never give away a player just because he is unhappy. He played very well all the years he was here. Now if you tell me he was unhappy playing under kidd, you might make some sense.

The Bucks made a judgment call based on salary vs. production. I don't agree with their decision, unless there is an immediate signing that explains it. The Bucks were an excellent team last year and yet didn't win their conference. Do you think they would agree to weaken their team, just to make Brogdon happy? This is fantasy. They either don't value Brogdon as much as I do (which is fair) or they have another move to improve the team. Losing Brogdon means the team is worse than this past season unless something big is happening.

Would you risk signing a player who will end up sitting in the corner pouting and not caring baout his production? To properly answer that question YES the Bucks would trade Brogdon to make him happy. YOu do not risk paying a ton of money to a guy who will likely refuse to play. Only a foolish GM would retain a player that does not want to be around.

I see we've now crossed into the making-sh*t-up realm

Based on his posts today he’s either Nick Monroe or trolling.

[DrWood]

Even if you grant the speculation about him wanting out, they should've held out for a better return. Squandering one of our better assets for a probable mid-late first, a second and a TPE is not cutting it with Giannis' contract ending soon.

How? We didn't have bargaining power.

As far as we know there were no demand for a trade, so no need to trade him immediately. It's possible this was the best return out there, but it would've made sense to at least wait to see if it wasn't.

if you don't think INDY and Brogdon had a deal lined up before this trade was considered, I don't know what to say.

[Licensed to Il]

Not the first to say it... but landing Joe Harris and giving Brooklyn some cap room puts us in the driver’s seat to the ECF and makes up for losing Brogdon. IMO.

[xTitan]

Just flipped on NBA channel, they believe Brogdon was let go to avoid the luxury tax and the Bucks have simply blown it......always believed last year was their window, hope Giannis doesn’t realize that.

[th87]

I think you guys should have probably kept Brogdon over some of the guys you did pay, but the truth is that not many ownership groups would be willing to pay the tax on retaining all these guys. I just looked through the first couple pages, so maybe the tone of the thread calmed down a bit, but I don't really see the Bucks being cheap to the point that it's some big scandal here.

The CBA and the luxury tax penalties aren't really designed to keep a team as deep as last year's Bucks squad together for a long run. The reality is teams are going to lose players and the Buck's willingness to pay guys looks pretty decent at a minimum. There were just too many guys to pay.

And Malcom hated the city of Milwaukee. That played a big role.
If Malcom loved it there and had that same passion that Khris and Giannis has to bring a title to Milwaukee, I bet he's a Buck right now.

No he didn't. Good lord. He said it was segregated.

Here is his entire quote:

"Before I came to Milwaukee I’d heard the city was the most segregated in the country," Brogdon said in the article. "I’d heard it was racist. When I got here it was extremely segregated. I’ve never lived in a city this segregated. Milwaukee’s very behind in terms of being progressive. There are things that need to change rapidly.”

"Leadership and change starts from the top down — with our owners being progressive," he said. "They encourage players that also want to be forward thinking. For them to support Peter Feigin is a big sign and encourages us to do the same. To speak out for what is good and right.”

I 100% agree with this quote, and yet I love Milwaukee.

[PG Graveyard]

I'm going to trust the process here. I love Brogdon, but we know that isn't a great medical there. Now we have recouped 3 picks while still maintaining some flexibility moving forward. We can now use the 4.8 mill on a nice vet looking to jump on the bandwagon to fill in 75 percent of Brogdon. Maybe we can find a way to use the 12 mill dollar trade exception as well. This team is still very good today.

[Matches Malone]

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[paulpressey25]

Jeff Siegel on twitter just answered my question. Said the TPE goes away if the Bucks use cap room to sign Lopez and Hill, which they are.

So no TPE. No additional talent incoming via it. Meh,

[Licensed to Il]

I love the city of Milwaukee, but if
Brogdon didn’t that bothers me zero percent.

[Matches Malone]

Jeff Siegel on twitter just answered my question. Said the TPE goes away if the Bucks use cap room to sign Lopez and Hill, which they are.

So no TPE. No additional talent incoming via it. Meh,

Looks more and more like ownership just wanted to avoid the lux tax. Sucks... really really sucks.

[TroyD92]

Jeff Siegel on twitter just answered my question. Said the TPE goes away if the Bucks use cap room to sign Lopez and Hill, which they are.

So no TPE. No additional talent incoming via it. Meh,

Welp that puts a damper on my outlook. Pretty disappointing free agency if that’s it.