Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

[FrieAaron]

If Giannis is on board I'm 100% fine with that deal, unless there's some major red flag. He's 20 years old and was looking like a potential star his rookie year at least.

[Matches Malone]

If Giannis is on board I'm 100% fine with that deal, unless there's some major red flag. He's 20 years old and was looking like a potential star his rookie year at least.

The only Knock on him really that I've seen, is that there are rumors that he "isn't taking his craft seriously and just wants to vibe". Maybe a new environment looking to win would change his mentality and give him a fresh start, IF those rumors are even true to begin with.

[averageposter]

I'm going to side with Jae Crowder on this one, I don't know what his purpose is either. I thought it was to play a bigger version of small ball switching on the perimeter, maybe Giannis not being around to center those lineups scuttled it in this extremely painfully small sample size, also PJ wasn't here to put Bud's nuts in a vise and deviate a bit from the 82 game plan.

I think when you play 5 out, or 5 out with the dunker wrinkle, your role even by role player standards is pretty limited on this team where you are waiting for the what is basically what passes for the creation, attention to whatever Giannis has got going, or a two man game featuring 2 of the big three. The action is all right down main street and few people move other than to make themselves available for outlets. If you don't hit the open opportunities there's not much else going on for those guys. We rarely hunt guys with relentless screens, not even the corpse of Kevin Love, if one of the others find himself guarded by the kind of defensive weakling we'd say are not playable in the playoffs. If you are hiding your weakest defender on one of three and D guys rest assured we won't find them. You might say well Holiday isn't a true PG so that level of free lance creation isn't in his wheelhouse, sure but Gabe Vincent just led the other team, I don't think too much of his overall game and they look nothing like us, it doesn't have to be generated there. Could we have used an athletic wing to attack closeouts, or a natural creative PG sure. Poor shooting and production from the role players has been pretty slim throughout all of the playoff runs. I think I just want to see another system on both sides of the ball.

[ABucksFan]

JRue or Khris for Green. I'm on board with that.

[Willie Colon]

JRue or Khris for Green. I'm on board with that.

Same. Preferably Jrue.

[Wonka]

Big believer in Jalen Green’s potential. He’s a freak athlete who can get to the paint at will at this point in his career. That would be a big swing.

[SKG]

Id gamble to get the drama queen Kyrie on a sign and trade for khris to start with, would be a better fit for both teams and we get one of the best ball handlers in the league, not sure how we could bring FA Porzingis in aswell for maybe Brook and grayson

[Siefer]

I might need more distance from this series to sort my thoughts out, but right now I kinda want to move Jrue before Midds. I hated the Butler matchup for him, but he got dusted much worse than I expected, and it was well beyond just great shot making. And I can't get over his playoff TS% being worse than Bledsoe's.

[Prez]

Honestly I would be in favor of trading both if we’re trading one. If you trade Khris for Green I’d look to flip Jrue for younger upside pieces as well. See if a New Orleans reunion is in play with dudes like Dyson Daniels, Trey Murphy, etc.

[machu46]

This is the #2 pick Jalen Green from 2 years ago? What is the source on this? Did he fall off a lot last year or something? I don't get why they'd do that.

Houston has been rumored to be pivoting to win now next season, particularly by targeting Harden and one other star player. On top of that, most of the Rockets players, Green included, are just a mess right now and don’t really look like they’ll ever be winning basketball players. Whether it’s the coaching, the nonexistent expectations, or just them being low IQ/effort players, beauty may be in the eye of the beholder.

Green is at least theoretically the type of swing on young talent many here are clamoring for. I wouldn’t hate it. I’m guessing Giannis would though. Going from Khris/Jrue to your main running mate being a minor that doesn’t take basketball seriously would be a shell shock for Giannis I think. I’d guess we’re much more likely to send Green elsewhere in a 3 way deal while we got a more established player back instead.

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[Ruben Quevedo]

I liked Green going into the draft and I think he still has superstar potential. But he is a bad player right now, and might be 2 years away from being a net positive on the court. I don't think the timeline fits.

[machu46]

Also a decent possibility Houston could simply sign Middleton and Harden and trade Green for something else.


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[Ron Swanson]

You guys are doing it wrong. If Houston is interested in Middleton and willing to trade Green, then we just found our 3rd team in the Dame trade.

[Antinomy]

You guys are doing it wrong. If Houston is interested in Middleton and willing to trade Green, then we just found our 3rd team in the Dame trade.

Damn, you’re right.

Jrue to Houston
Dame to Milwaukee
Green to Portland

Houston could end up with Harden too, so it would be a good fit.

[DingleJerry]

I liked Green going into the draft and I think he still has superstar potential. But he is a bad player right now, and might be 2 years away from being a net positive on the court. I don't think the timeline fits.

Not saying your wrong or that your logic is flawed at all. However, if the talent is there putting him into a good situation/team with a lead like Giannis could really expediate things. Basically just saying it's possible someone like that looks totally different in a new situation being mentored by someone like Giannis and in a system where he's complimentary. Compare that vs playing for a complete mess of a team in Hous. Of course, its totally possible what you point is true to and he's just not ready. The key is really probably work ethic/attitude. Someone in his current situation shouuuld see this as the opportunity of a lifetime and do anything in his power to succeed. But some might not have the right mindset/work ethic. Others might have it but just not have the talent/ability or might put so much pressure on themselves that they fail (like a Bledsoe/Westbrook type).

I guess I'm just saying you never really know so it's tough to put black/white views on it. All you can do is as much digging as you can on him behind the scenes and if you hear what you like give him a chance.

[paulpressey25]

Also a decent possibility Houston could simply sign Middleton and Harden and trade Green for something else.

This is the challenge. There are a handful of teams that easily offer Khris 3/$90 or 4/$120 and justify it as the step forward for their core, ala Orlando, OKC, Houston. Would prefer to trade Khris over Jrue, but the market may not allow that.

This is why I'm leaning towards hope Khris would stay here at 3/$90 and we explore a Jrue trade.

[Ruben Quevedo]

I liked Green going into the draft and I think he still has superstar potential. But he is a bad player right now, and might be 2 years away from being a net positive on the court. I don't think the timeline fits.

Not saying your wrong or that your logic is flawed at all. However, if the talent is there putting him into a good situation/team with a lead like Giannis could really expediate things. Basically just saying it's possible someone like that looks totally different in a new situation being mentored by someone like Giannis and in a system where he's complimentary. Compare that vs playing for a complete mess of a team in Hous. Of course, its totally possible what you point is true to and he's just not ready. The key is really probably work ethic/attitude. Someone in his current situation shouuuld see this as the opportunity of a lifetime and do anything in his power to succeed. But some might not have the right mindset/work ethic. Others might have it but just not have the talent/ability or might put so much pressure on themselves that they fail (like a Bledsoe/Westbrook type).

I guess I'm just saying you never really know so it's tough to put black/white views on it. All you can do is as much digging as you can on him behind the scenes and if you hear what you like give him a chance.

You could very well be right. I just think it's low probability and an unnecessarily huge risk to take when you have prime Giannis. If he were a league-average player right now, then yeah let's go for it. But he will actively make us worse (with high usage too) if he doesn't make significant improvements in the offseason.

[Ron Swanson]

It's worth noting to everyone here that, just like with the Coach Bud discourse, not everyone around the league thinks like we do and views our non-Giannis players/assets as trash with little to no trade value. There will be plenty of organizations intently keeping an eye on our offseason in the hopes that guys like Khris/Jrue/Bobby etc. become available for them to poach. This is where Horst needs to get creative, but when you have a foundational piece in his prime years like Giannis, you're already operating at an advantage for any of these guys who may (or may not) mash the "demand trade" button in the next several months.

[Diggr14]

Look, realistically we only have 2 more years of Giannis unless one of the young guys blows up into a legit #2 player. Giannis isnt going to stay around if everyone of value is 34+ y/o. He just wont. It's not a recipe to win a championship.

We have to look forward. This summer doesn't seem like we have a ton of flexibility, but it will shape how the franchise looks in the very near future. If we can't swing a trade for a legit/young #2, we might as well entertain trading Giannis now for the largest haul in NBA history. It will likely happen next summer, if it happens. But if we do not get younger with upside and fast.. Giannis will be gone in 2 years.

Bud needs to go. He's too soft on the players and he just doesnt understand that this is the 20's not the 00's. Drop coverage isnt a thing.

If portland got the #1 pick, would you trade Giannis straight up for it? I would.

[Ryan5UW]

You guys are doing it wrong. If Houston is interested in Middleton and willing to trade Green, then we just found our 3rd team in the Dame trade.

There we go!