Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Looking like Bucks keep Mids, Brook, Jae

[buckboy]

The Sexton hate us unreal. He's 24. He just had a 15ppg/39%/81% statline in 22-23. On top of that he's under contract for the next three years at 17 million per a year.

I mean, if you want to take a 1200 minute sample and assume that's what the future holds, be my guest. Personally, I hope some other team does it.

He's been pretty inefficient his whole career other than last year. And he doesn't really do anything else well other than score (and that's iffy).

[landoc88]

The Sexton hate us unreal. He's 24. He just had a 15ppg/39%/81% statline in 22-23. On top of that he's under contract for the next three years at 17 million per a year.

I mean, if you want to take a 1200 minute sample and assume that's what the future holds, be my guest. Personally, I hope some other team does it.

He's been pretty inefficient his whole career other than last year. And he doesn't really do anything else well other than score (and that's iffy).

I mean I get it you don't like him. But as the fourth option?

[Ron Swanson]

If any part of your argument requires "taking a step back" this season then that's gonna be a hell no from me, dawg. Giannis is 28, this team won 58-games last season, and league-wide parity is as noticeable as it's been in the past two decades. It wouldn't be the most inspiring direction, but running it back with some minor roster tweaks is still the most likely and defensible option.

[M-C-G]

The Sexton hate us unreal. He's 24. He just had a 15ppg/39%/81% statline in 22-23. On top of that he's under contract for the next three years at 17 million per a year.

I mean, if you want to take a 1200 minute sample and assume that's what the future holds, be my guest. Personally, I hope some other team does it.

He's been pretty inefficient his whole career other than last year. And he doesn't really do anything else well other than score (and that's iffy).

This isn't directly in response to the comments I am quoting, but a good GM should constantly be looking for guys that they believe were misused, given too much responsibility too young, need a change of scenery or you believe would thrive in your environment (such as Bobby, Jevon Carter, Grayson, Brook...).

Some guys are going to get a big bump in productivity, efficiency, or whatever simply having someone like Giannis opening up things for them. That needs to be factored in (how, I don't know, maybe some kind of stat models or something) guys we are thinking about. I think we tend to focus too much on historical stats of guys that wouldn't be used the same way here at all. But I get why we do, it is the data we have. Just think it gets too much weight in some of these discussions.

[M-C-G]

If any part of your argument requires "taking a step back" this season then that's gonna be a hell no from me, dawg. Giannis is 28, this team won 58-games last season, and league-wide parity is as noticeable as it's been in the past two decades. It wouldn't be the most inspiring direction, but running it back with some minor roster tweaks is still the most likely and defensible option.

Then change the way you are looking at it. We lost in the first round of the playoffs (I know, Giannis was hurt) and the second round the year before. So a step back in the regular season, might mean a step forward in the playoffs.

Obviously this discussion can devolve quickly, but I think that is really the point, or my point. Maybe you are a 50 win team, but better constructed, mitigate some of your major flaws and right there as a conference finalist contender. Some here will absolutely say that is a step back, but I don't really think so in the grand scheme.

[emunney]

I'd rather trade for THT and play him at point than trade for Sexton.

sexton has a shockingly nice shooting profile, a psycho level basketball obsession and is only 24

He is super likable, a very good scorer, and just doesn't see the full floor/game on either end. Certainly stranger things have happened than "Collin Sexton figuring out basketball" but I don't see it as a good bet.

[buckboy]

The Sexton hate us unreal. He's 24. He just had a 15ppg/39%/81% statline in 22-23. On top of that he's under contract for the next three years at 17 million per a year.

I mean, if you want to take a 1200 minute sample and assume that's what the future holds, be my guest. Personally, I hope some other team does it.

He's been pretty inefficient his whole career other than last year. And he doesn't really do anything else well other than score (and that's iffy).

I mean I get it you don't like him. But as the fourth option?

I would prefer other dudes if we're giving up all of our tradable assets (I'm assuming Bobby would have to be included). I just really don't believe that Sexton is the guy he played as last year. That's all.

Edit: And the guy he played as last year really wasn't anything special. I get he could improve, but I'm not buying it personally.

[KendallMarshall]

Another spitball in the same vein.

MKE: Quickley, Hartenstein, Fournier
NYK: Ayton, Allen
PHX: Portis, Robinson, Connaughton

I like this 1 much more than Simons. All 3 players coming to Milwaukee are solid fits for the roster and legit replacement players for what we’re sending out. I actually think Fournier could have a resurgence of sorts if he could get away from Thibs. He’s not built for a coach that demands so much on defense where he struggles and doesn’t care about the type of offense he excels at. IQ and Jrue is a dynamo pairing and IH is a very solid 15-20mpg backup center that could play with Brook or Giannis all his minutes. This is fantastic for Milwaukee…

Probably need a pick of some sort heading to NYK but I only say that because I don’t value Ayton the same the NBA GMs likely do.. maybe he’s seen as a prize? Also think Phoenix makes out like bandits again due to the same reason, over valuing Ayton…. You could be spot on tho, I wouldn’t be surprised at all. I just personally don’t see the excitement with Ayton but I’m far from a NBA decision maker lol.

Can't believe Fournier is only 30. At the very least he has some length, shooting, and playmaking ability. Worst case he sucks and comes off the books next summer.

Because it feels like he's been in the league forever or because of his hairline?

[StickeeFingaz]

I really don’t care about regular season win totals. We won the most regular season games, great.

Giannis got hurt first game, I get it, I’ve been holding onto that and telling myself we would have won if he didn’t get hurt. Who knows if we would have. But the fact is we got exposed and we crumbled.

[Shaffty]

The Sexton hate us unreal. He's 24. He just had a 15ppg/39%/81% statline in 22-23. On top of that he's under contract for the next three years at 17 million per a year.

I mean, if you want to take a 1200 minute sample and assume that's what the future holds, be my guest. Personally, I hope some other team does it.

He's been pretty inefficient his whole career other than last year. And he doesn't really do anything else well other than score (and that's iffy).

Career 56 TS% btw

[Prez]

Have seen the Bucks offense look like utter dog **** in the playoffs too many times to scoff at a quick, shifty, talented shot creating guard who was putting up a reasonably efficient 24 a game at 22 years old, particularly when he’s on a very reasonable deal for several more years.

Like yeah it’d be dope to get a high level scorer who could also playmake for others and lock up on D but we don’t exactly have the assets to trade for a HOFer lol.

[Ron Swanson]

If any part of your argument requires "taking a step back" this season then that's gonna be a hell no from me, dawg. Giannis is 28, this team won 58-games last season, and league-wide parity is as noticeable as it's been in the past two decades. It wouldn't be the most inspiring direction, but running it back with some minor roster tweaks is still the most likely and defensible option.

Then change the way you are looking at it. We lost in the first round of the playoffs (I know, Giannis was hurt) and the second round the year before. So a step back in the regular season, might mean a step forward in the playoffs.

Obviously this discussion can devolve quickly, but I think that is really the point, or my point. Maybe you are a 50 win team, but better constructed, mitigate some of your major flaws and right there as a conference finalist contender. Some here will absolutely say that is a step back, but I don't really think so in the grand scheme.

That's not what I'm really seeing though. In fact it might actually be the opposite, in that in a desperate attempt to get younger, you trade your precious few player and pick assets for a 21-25 year old starter that gives you 70-80 regular season games without load management (Great!), but you end up being a worse playoff team (not great) cuz super young players rarely ever are Top 2 or 3 guys on championship teams.

Now, something like trading Bobby/Grayson for picks then banking on replacing their contributions with a couple ring-chasers and vet minimum guys? That's a different story and definitely a more defensible strategy to me. But idk, people that seem to be taking this idea that the regular season doesn't matter AT ALL anymore are being prisoners of the moment. This Miami Finals run is really **** with a lot of peoples' roster construction philosophies for the worse.

[crowhead76]

Would Pat and Allen get the Sexton deal done?

[buckboy]

The Sexton hate us unreal. He's 24. He just had a 15ppg/39%/81% statline in 22-23. On top of that he's under contract for the next three years at 17 million per a year.

I mean, if you want to take a 1200 minute sample and assume that's what the future holds, be my guest. Personally, I hope some other team does it.

He's been pretty inefficient his whole career other than last year. And he doesn't really do anything else well other than score (and that's iffy).

Career 56 TS% btw

Which is pretty much exactly average over his career. And he's not good at anything else.

Again, he may improve, but he'll have to to make any sort of impact.

[Ron Swanson]

Bobby + Grayson probably nets you Malik Beasley + #17 + Max Christie right? Something along those lines is exactly what I'd be looking at in terms of injecting some youth on the roster margins without compromising your playoff rotation and "taking a step back" this season.

[Shaffty]

I mean, if you want to take a 1200 minute sample and assume that's what the future holds, be my guest. Personally, I hope some other team does it.

He's been pretty inefficient his whole career other than last year. And he doesn't really do anything else well other than score (and that's iffy).

Career 56 TS% btw

Which is pretty much exactly average over his career. And he's not good at anything else.

Again, he may improve, but he'll have to to make any sort of impact.

quit moving goal posts is he inefficient or is he average?

[M-C-G]

If any part of your argument requires "taking a step back" this season then that's gonna be a hell no from me, dawg. Giannis is 28, this team won 58-games last season, and league-wide parity is as noticeable as it's been in the past two decades. It wouldn't be the most inspiring direction, but running it back with some minor roster tweaks is still the most likely and defensible option.

Then change the way you are looking at it. We lost in the first round of the playoffs (I know, Giannis was hurt) and the second round the year before. So a step back in the regular season, might mean a step forward in the playoffs.

Obviously this discussion can devolve quickly, but I think that is really the point, or my point. Maybe you are a 50 win team, but better constructed, mitigate some of your major flaws and right there as a conference finalist contender. Some here will absolutely say that is a step back, but I don't really think so in the grand scheme.

That's not what I'm really seeing though. In fact it might actually be the opposite, in that in a desperate attempt to get younger, you trade your precious few player and pick assets for a 21-25 year old starter that gives you 70-80 regular season games without load management (Great!), but you end up being a worse playoff team (not great) cuz super young players rarely ever are Top 2 or 3 guys on championship teams.

Now, something like trading Bobby/Grayson for picks then banking on replacing their contributions with a couple ring-chasers and vet minimum guys? That's a different story and definitely a more defensible strategy to me. But idk, people that seem to be taking this idea that the regular season doesn't matter AT ALL anymore are being prisoners of the moment. This Miami Finals run is really **** with a lot of peoples' roster construction philosophies for the worse.

At this point, I would like to get younger in order to prepare for the next couple of years of Giannis career. I still think if he is healthy we are a finals contender with a little help. But I would also support making a few deals just to replenish tradeable assets so we can try to acquire something bigger as well (move Bobby for some pieces and picks, S&T Lopez to get a few pieces that can e traded, etc. )

Overall, just seems like with the new staff it may be time, but if AG is a good coach, not hard to see how keeping it all together might be enough to win you a championship this season. I am just not totally convinced getting younger and coming in with the fourth seed prevents us from also being a championship caliber team this season either.

[jakecronus8]

If any part of your argument requires "taking a step back" this season then that's gonna be a hell no from me, dawg.

Just my opinion but I believe their title window is closed if they don’t try something different. Some may call that taking a step back.

58 wins is great. They were outclassed in the playoffs even with Giannis on the floor. They haven’t adapted at all and they have the oldest team in the league.

I’d rather take shot at winning a couple more before Giannis severely declines (and I do think his will be steep when it happens). Not taking a step back this year will likely garner similar or worse results next postseason.

ETA: If there was a major win now move to be made I’d be all for it but they’re too loyal and our gm was the one who set the market for insane returns on non superstar players a couple years ago.

[RiotPunch]

I like this 1 much more than Simons. All 3 players coming to Milwaukee are solid fits for the roster and legit replacement players for what we’re sending out. I actually think Fournier could have a resurgence of sorts if he could get away from Thibs. He’s not built for a coach that demands so much on defense where he struggles and doesn’t care about the type of offense he excels at. IQ and Jrue is a dynamo pairing and IH is a very solid 15-20mpg backup center that could play with Brook or Giannis all his minutes. This is fantastic for Milwaukee…

Probably need a pick of some sort heading to NYK but I only say that because I don’t value Ayton the same the NBA GMs likely do.. maybe he’s seen as a prize? Also think Phoenix makes out like bandits again due to the same reason, over valuing Ayton…. You could be spot on tho, I wouldn’t be surprised at all. I just personally don’t see the excitement with Ayton but I’m far from a NBA decision maker lol.

Can't believe Fournier is only 30. At the very least he has some length, shooting, and playmaking ability. Worst case he sucks and comes off the books next summer.

Because it feels like he's been in the league forever or because of his hairline?

[tedbrogen]

Career 56 TS% btw

Which is pretty much exactly average over his career. And he's not good at anything else.

Again, he may improve, but he'll have to to make any sort of impact.

quit moving goal posts is he inefficient or is he average?

The argument could be made that average efficiency at a young age means he’ll be above average efficiency with any sort of development and getting to play alongside Giannis.

Add in how hard he will work to improve and that he will be a dawg on both ends and is signed to a reasonable deal, and if there is a way to get him with spare parts, I’m fully onboard.