Woelfel - 70% bogut's gone and maybe Jennings (update pg131)

[Bernman]

Parting with Stephen Jackson ASAP, when they can amnesty him in the offseason, would seem to indicate a win-now move for the most part. And Hammond probably needs to make one, to have a chance at the playoffs, which would save his job. McGee, in his mind, would help the Bucks win now and into the future. They were desperate for a starting or backup center up until a week ago, and McGee is still young. That's how he can politically sell it to Kohl and the fans. A Nick Young or Jordan Crawford type might fit into the same category. We know they stink but he'll rationalize they'll improve the team's scoring even though their efficiency and shot clock usage stink. That doesn't seem to stop the Bucks' brass from thinking Jennings is a good player also.

Of course, as a long-term plan advocate, I'd prefer a pick, and I don't think trading Bogut before he can prove in training at least that he's healthy, or packaging him with Jackson, benefits that. If you care about winning later, it makes most sense to wait until right before the draft, have Bogut work out for some teams who feel like are on the cusp or antsy that their rebuild is taking too long, and take the pick of the one who is reassured the most by what they see. Stephen Jackson has no business in a trade where the Bucks are relinquishing a significant asset unless the recipient like an LAL or New Jersey would believe he has positive value for them. Then our assets in return wouldn't be devalued.

[nate33]

There is simply no way Washington includes a lotto pick in the deal, and they won't take on Stephen Jackson unless they give up Blatche.

So basically, what we're talking about here is something like: McGee + Vesely + filler for Bogut. Maybe Crawford, Singleton and/or Nick Young get included (though Nick would have to consent). If that's not enough of a return for Milwaukee, then so be it. Obviously, Milwaukee is concerned enough with Bogut's injury history to be willing to talk trades, so they can't expect to get return value as if he's still a top 5 center.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

Mine was a joke... I thought you would pick up on that.

Green font next time.

McGee for Bogut doesn't match salary wise. And if you add Jackson, that's even more salary that we'd have to give back to you, which includes Lewis and probably Blatche.

Looking at your roster, Wizards don't want Udrih, Mbah Moute, Jackson or Gooden. Paying a backup PG to play 10-12 minutes a game $7 million is insane. And paying a middling small forward close to $5 million is also asinine.

I would think the Wizards would be interested in Harris and Sanders if paired with Bogut.

What do you mean they would not want Mbah a Moute!? YES THE WIZARDS WOULD! He would be the only one on your team who can play defense.

Yes they would...

[nate33]

If you wait until the offseason, Washington would be in position to absorb a significant salary differential in the transaction.

[paulpressey25]

PP's son Alex Kennedy is doing a chat at Hoopsworld and had this (nothing new) to say:

I told my son Alex that I'd be purchasing him a Bucks Bogut jersey for his birthday this summer, once they go on clearance at the BC next month.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

McGee for Bogut doesn't match salary wise. And if you add Jackson, that's even more salary that we'd have to give back to you, which includes Lewis and probably Blatche.

But we don't really want McGee... because he isn't very good.

We don't want Blatche, because he is terrible.

Who the are you speaking for!?

You not speaking for me. I know talent. You obvious do not. I would want BOTH OF THOSE players from the Wizards if I wanted anyone.

Then hyou could address your needs elsewhere. I would especially want McGee. All he needs is to go to some mentor who can help him slow down and see the game better and teach him how to manage his athleticsim and channel it.

He like Sanders goes for any pump fake and need to learn to diversify his offensive game and get his footwork down a bit and it is good to go. But both of these guys can play. I will give you Blatche.

I would like to have him alongside Bogut more then instead of him because two low IQ big men is just too much to handle so I might not want both in the same package....

But I would take either one with someone else on their roster.

Jordan Crawford as well. But don't speak for us. That is who you don't want. McGee and Blatche would be perfect.

[MickeyDavis]

Gardner chimes in with quotes from Boguts agent

Bucks center Andrew Bogut could be a candidate to be dealt before next Thursday's trade deadline.

Bogut's agent, David Bauman, acknowledged Friday there was interest in the league around the 7-foot Bucks center.

"There's a lot of teams interested in calling John," Bauman said of Bucks general manager John Hammond. "I don't know what they (the Bucks) will end up doing."

Bogut is currently out of the lineup after fracturing his left ankle on Jan. 25 in Houston. It's uncertain if he will be able to play again this season.

The No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft, Bogut has suffered a series of injuries in Milwaukee, including a devastating blow to his right hand and right elbow in a crash to the Bradley Center floor on April 3, 2010 against Phoenix. Bogut returned last season but was not able to shoot with his right hand due to the injury.

He underwent surgery in April 2011 to remove a bone chip from the elbow and returned in good shape for the current lockout-shortened season.

But he missed five games for personal reasons early in the season due to a family medical situation in his native Australia. He played in 12 games this season and the Bucks went 7-5 in those games, before he suffered the injury in Houston.

"The irony is he's sitting out with a broken ankle and is still recognized as one of the best centers in the league," Bauman said. "That's gratifiying for him."

ESPN's Marc Stein reported that the Bucks are fielding inquiries for Bogut but have not done so in the past.

According to a basketball source, a number of teams have expressed interest in Bogut, who was an all-NBA third team selection during the 2009-10 season.

He signed a five-year, $60 million extension in the summer of 2008, shortly after Hammond was hired as general manager.

Bogut is in the third year of that extension and is being paid a team-high $12.1 million this season. He is owed $27 million-plus in the final two years of the contract.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

If Hammond brings a Bogut for McGee deal to Kohl, he should be fired on the spot. That's not the deal we've suffered for years waiting for. We need a lotto pick, or a valuable rebuilding piece. If those arent out there, don't trade him.

[Bernman]

PP's son Alex Kennedy is doing a chat at Hoopsworld and had this (nothing new) to say:

I told my son Alex that I'd be purchasing him a Bucks Bogut jersey for his birthday this summer, once they go on clearance at the BC next month.

Alex and your other kids are the only winners in this trade who are from Milwaukee. They can get more up to date from the current Bucks' jersey they're sporting:

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

If Hammond brings a Bogut for McGee deal to Kohl, he should be fired on the spot. That's not the deal we've suffered for years waiting for. We need a lotto pick, or a valuable rebuilding piece. If those arent out there, don't trade him.

Yes it is...a GREAT DEAL!

He is exactly the kind of Center we need. And you would get Bogut's money off the books per se. I have no idea what you are saying. This would be a big picture deal. McGee is a Y. Noah pick like in Chicago. He just needs to be taught...and coached up. The tools are there.

They would have to take Jackson off our hands and I would take Rashard Lewis and either Crawford or Young or Vesely.

You can't hit a homerun off of every deal. Espeically when you are dumping salary and injury prone former #1 overall pick...busts. What do you think this is?

Then you can still trade others and draft to fit him better then you could Bogut who is a dump down go through player who is just as raw offensively as McGee is. So what is your problem?

You still have Ersan, delfino, Udrich and others you can package in another deal.

This is a supplement trade along with two others he would have to pull off on the same day...but McGee is an asset you would want to put around others in your core. Where is your thinking?

I had thought you wanted to tank!? Well....here it is. And you get an upside piece to go with it who would actually run the floor with Jennings, block shots and rebound with young legs who can run and jump forever.... STAY HEALTHY.

What more is there in a big man? I would do that in a heartbeat.

[Perishable517]

If we heard about Washington being in the mix, like others said, it is probably not going to happen (which is good).

A friend of mine and myself were talking about this at the Bulls game. I liked PP25's post about getting Martin/Dalembert/1st for Bogut/Jackson (I think that was it?).

As much as he drives this board mad, Gooden is not a bad matchup to have at the C spot. He sucks defensively but brings offense. You see where we have gotten as a team with only focusing on D. I'm not sure about Ersan, but those two have been working well as a combo. If the Bucks go safe, they let Ersan walk (or trade him), keep Bogut and, whoo. Fun times at the BC.

If you trade Bogut, I think we need to get a quality SG and a pick. Amnesty Jackson, get that space to sign Ersan (if they want to gamble next season). Perhaps then trade Luc Richard and the pick to move up, perhaps?

Now that the Bucks are entertaining the thought of moving Bogut, it opens up the creativity a bunch.

But, really, they can cut loose Hammond.

[Bernman]

If Hammond brings a Bogut for McGee deal to Kohl, he should be fired on the spot. That's not the deal we've suffered for years waiting for. We need a lotto pick, or a valuable rebuilding piece. If those arent out there, don't trade him.

He wouldn't get fired for it when he'd be acting as an extension of Kohl himself.

[Superfito]

Wow, if JSonline is on this, he might actually get traded. I don't see why a team would give up lottery picks for a guy that probably isn't going to play this year. It doesn't help them tank, clear salary, etc.

Since it takes two to tango I only see him traded for players and future picks, unfortunately, for both sides of the deal to get satisified. It would make sense for a team like WAS or any other team like 3-8 to do it because it would solidify their tanking ability this year.

Our pull will probably be a contract we can clear after this year and an unprotected 2013 draft pick that we could possibly turn around and trade back into a 2012 pick.

[Badgerlander]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball- ... 38792.html

It's understandable as to why the Bucks decided to work around the fringes following the team's inspiring run to the 2010 playoffs. Adding Drew Gooden that summer didn't work out last season, but Gooden has put together perhaps the finest season of his career in Bogut's absence this year. With nearly $20 million due on his contract after this year, though, you sell high on Gooden if a deal is available. Adding Beno Udrih last June was understandable, but he'll have a player option worth nearly $8 million that he's bound to pick up this summer. Sell if you can. Adding Stephen Jackson was rightfully considered a terrible move then, and it looks even worse (somehow, Jackson made that happen) now, and you have to move the guy if anyone's offering.

Each of these moves would have to be paired with a Bogut deal. And though Bogut isn't injury prone (his career-altering shoulder injury from two years ago and his fractured ankle were both fluke accidents), this is the price of doing business.

Provided, of course, you do smart business. Skiles' time is clearly up in Milwaukee, he recently put his house on the market and the Bucks would presumably be passing on the win-now ideology should they decide to move Bogut and a millstone contract with him. Skiles (a brilliant basketball coach at his peak) doesn't do rebuilding projects, so it's unlikely he'll be around for that turnaround. This is why you have to go for assets in return for Bogut, as opposed to names people have heard of. This is a hard sell to a fanbase, particularly the 70 percent that have four favorite sports to think about and don't want to consider payroll flexibility or long-range rebuilding, but it could be a franchise-saver.

Franchise-saving moves aren't always job-savers for GMs, though, which is why they tinker and hope for 45 wins. We wouldn't blame John Hammond for not making a startling deal, and clearing his decks, but we also reserve the right to criticize him if he continues apace. Or especially if he deals for a guy like Javale McGee.

[tski1972]

can't wait to re-read this thread after nothing happens.

[Nebula1]

It would be a poor decision to trade Bogut in a rush only to negatively impact current draft position. Better to wait a couple months and trade Bogut before next season.

[Badgerlander]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

Teams have contacted the Wizards about McGee for some time, but the team has been unwilling to consider offers for him. Last summer, Minnesota discussed sending the No. 2 overall pick (which turned out to be Derrick Williams) in exchange for the sixth pick and McGee but the Wizards declined. Oklahoma City reportedly offered the No. 3 pick (which turned out to be James Harden) for McGee and the fifth overall pick before the 2009 draft.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

McGee for Bogut doesn't match salary wise. And if you add Jackson, that's even more salary that we'd have to give back to you, which includes Lewis and probably Blatche.

But we don't really want McGee... because he isn't very good.

We don't want Blatche, because he is terrible.

Sometimes you have to look at it like this deal does not neccessarily make us better, but it makes us different.

And sometimes making a trade that makes you different and go another direction is what a team like the Bucks need.

You are all looking on this talent for talent or this for this...when I am looking at it like this for that.

You would go from plodding to posterizing...and no telling how MacGee would or would not really flourish in a new enviroment and how he might make Jennings a better player or vice versa.

My point is, he is easier to build around them Bogut is. We have tried everything with Bogut and brought everyone in. McGee does not have to be an option on offense and can be a factor on defense on and on the bust outs to get easy baskets.

Some of you said Beidrens...why not McGee?

[apdamico]

Caveat: Bogut doesn't go anywhere unless Jackson is part of the deal - this works:

To Washington:

Bogut
Jackson
Beno
Ersan

To Bucks:

McGee
Blatche
Crawford
Lewis

[REDDzone]

Better to wait a couple months and trade Bogut when Hammond will be gone.

fixed.