Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd (as coach pg 43)?

[JayMKE]

If we're going to bring up Packers, you can begin and end with Brett Favre. There might be a bad taste in some people's mouth about how he left but before he was beloved collectively as much as anybody could be in Wisconsin.

[[MIKE C]]

Has anybody in the Bucks camp commented on this at all yet? We only know that the Nets have given the Bucks permission to talk to Kidd and a Nets reporter has said they are talking compensation. At this point we are only speculating that he'd be given full authority with the Bucks, right?

[wichmae]

Why does everyone say "Kidd has no experience" but are quick to say "he's a terrible coach"? Wouldn't that imply you haven't seen enough of him to judge whether he's a good coach or not?

He also had one of the best records in the league with the Nets after January 1st. Kidd did a lot with that ancient roster. I commend him wanting to get out of that situation. The Nets have zero future. They sold it away for a one year window at a title. Kidd sees our team, our youth, our new ownership, and sees somewhere he can get his career moving. I'm thrilled a coach wants to come to Milwaukee. I'm not saying we should make a big name move just to make a big name move, but it's the first step of getting free agents to play here down the line when our youthful team takes that next step towards contention and we have a spot that needs filled.

If it's just to coach and we're not giving up any 1st rounders, I'm 100% okay with the move. Hated Larry Drew for a while now. I don't know how I feel about the president role though since he has zero experience and I'd much prefer someone else running that aspect of the show. So I'm not onboard with the POBO title.

Also, real classy of everyone to bring up his DUI and off-the-court issues. What does that have to do with his ability to coach in the NBA?

Its cherry picking the poor behaviors. People praise the Packers for giving Koren Robinson and Colt Lyerla a second chance but go over the top with a DUI on Kidd. Its all agendas..

Lyerla was an undrafted FA and Koren was signed for peanuts as well. They had clearly hit bottom. Kidd went to the owners for a power play to get more control msecond chances go to those who are remorseful. I don't see any remorse with Kidd.

Regardless, as Luke siad it goes beyond that. Kidd has yet to have a relationship with a team end well, and he has had multiple opportunities. I have no idea how anyone can believe this will be any different.

Again, angles are being nit picked. No one is even addressing the other articles suggesting that Kidd is doing this for self preservation of employment. The GM is a complete imbecile and JK was almost fired last season. He had multiple moves he wanted to make (which in hindsight would have been outstanding moves for BK) that were shot down by Billy. I know that if my job was in jeopardy because the boss constantly mismanaged me directly I would do everything in my power to self preserve. Only feasible argument is the no experience in the position. Though remember that some people were totally fine with David Robinson and other zero experience candidates. Just reading this thread there seems to be a lot of personal agenda.

Totally fine to be against it but be careful with the angle.

[pilprin]

What is interesting in all this is we have no idea what the position might be. Could it be HC with final say on personnel? That wouldn't be horrible. Grand Pooba ala Ron Wolf....That could be bad.

[wichmae]

Also, real classy of everyone to bring up his DUI and off-the-court issues. What does that have to do with his ability to coach in the NBA?

Its cherry picking the poor behaviors. People praise the Packers for giving Koren Robinson and Colt Lyerla a second chance but go over the top with a DUI on Kidd. Its all agendas..

Those Packer players you name aren't being asked to lead the organization in all respects, both on and off the court.

Further the DUI's and wife beating indicate an inability to control his emotional state, predictive or at least congruent with his inability to stay with one franchise at many points the last 20 years. He usually gets angry about something, burns bridges and moves on.

We need stability here and there are many others who could provide that better. No need to reach here on a move that has significant risk on multiple fronts.

Larry Harris had a DUI while on the job. RC Buford as well. Lets not act like having a DUI is in the same light as armed robbery. Im not arguing for the move Im just trying to remain grounded without knowing all the facts and angles. The domestic ordeal happened 13 years ago and he paid his debt to society.

[WiscoKing13]

Its cherry picking the poor behaviors. People praise the Packers for giving Koren Robinson and Colt Lyerla a second chance but go over the top with a DUI on Kidd. Its all agendas..

Lyerla was an undrafted FA and Koren was signed for peanuts as well. They had clearly hit bottom. Kidd went to the owners for a power play to get more control msecond chances go to those who are remorseful. I don't see any remorse with Kidd.

Regardless, as Luke siad it goes beyond that. Kidd has yet to have a relationship with a team end well, and he has had multiple opportunities. I have no idea how anyone can believe this will be any different.

Again, angles are being nit picked. No one is even addressing the other articles suggesting that Kidd is doing this for self preservation of employment. The GM is a complete imbecile and JK was almost fired last season. He had multiple moves he wanted to make (which in hindsight would have been outstanding moves for BK) that were shot down by Billy. I know that if my job was in jeopardy because the boss constantly mismanaged me directly I would do everything in my power to self preserve. Only feasible argument is the no experience in the position. Though remember that some people were totally fine with David Robinson and other zero experience candidates. Just reading this thread there seems to be a lot of personal agenda.

Totally fine to be against it but be careful with the angle.

So if he's on the outs in BK, why not quit or negotiate a buyout and sign with the bucks? Instead he wants us to give cash/draft picks to BK? Seems really wise first move.

[Fresh_Prince12]

A number of NBA writers I respect are killing the Bucks for even thinking about this.

Aschburner goes to town in this piece he just posted.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/06/2 ... with-kidd/

First, the Bucks are full-up, their front office and coaching jobs staffed by highly competent individuals.

lolnope

yeah, i checked out after that

[Chemthethriller]

At first I kind of liked the idea, but the more I'm thinking about it, I don't want a coach with the GM rights also, he will be to concerned about winning today rather than for 10 years. We will end up sacrificing youth for experience, and we will make the playoffs but not move in the playoffs... We have a golden chance now with two successful drafts in back to back years, if Larry gets his head out of his ass we have 3 solid starters.

[bucksbrewers3]

Sanders rep around the league has taken a big hit from Woelfel's bogus rehab blurb and other assorted random hit pieces. We know the truth.

Let's get this straight. Sanders rep around the league has taken a big hit because of his own actions. That's the truth. He's viewed as a pretty big time risk. Not because of Woelfel but because of Larry sanders.

Dude, seriously, I'm fine with people liking the hire, but enough with the "this will get us closer to a new arena" stuff. It has absolutely no bearing on the arena. None.

I actually think it could hurt the arena push...maybe not significantly...but the Midwest and WI is different that NY. There will be a number of people not happy about an alleged WIfe beater and drunk driver running the team asking for cash.

Why would anyone critical of Larry Sanders ever be willing to even consider bringing in the likes of Jason Kidd?

Don't put them in anywhere near the same category -- lotta folks misreading Sanders' situation, which is nowhere near as bad as it might feel or has been interpreted. No room to let Jason Kidd off the hook though, as his personal AND professional life are obviously totally out of control.

Night and day.

Sanders' critics all line up now and inventory the entire litany of reasons Jason Kidd will never bring his wrecking ball to Milwaukee.

mis reading the sanders situation? so animal cruelty and shattering a bottle over the head of a guy is mis reading?

[hege53190]

I wonder if Kidd actually wants to be POBO or if he was just looking at getting out of under Billy King and that aging roster that was acquired in Brooklyn.

I liked Kidd as a player. But I don't really want him as a head coach and I really don't want him as POBO.

I think it is very telling that not one NBA head coach in the conference finals played in the NBA.

[Sherman Douglas]

Yeah, that's another thing I hate about it. Maybe it's unfounded, but I don't trust a former player to handle a rebuild. Too much of a competitive drive to handle losing in the short term. I can see him pushing for win now trades in the near future.

[Fresh_Prince12]

After thinking about it.... The biggest appeal L&E have with Kidd is that they probably believe the he could play a major role in recruitment of free agents.... Selling Milwaukee to players to get us out of the sacto, minny, Siberia consideration that we're been under.

we don't need that right now, maybe in 2 years

[wichmae]

Lyerla was an undrafted FA and Koren was signed for peanuts as well. They had clearly hit bottom. Kidd went to the owners for a power play to get more control msecond chances go to those who are remorseful. I don't see any remorse with Kidd.

Regardless, as Luke siad it goes beyond that. Kidd has yet to have a relationship with a team end well, and he has had multiple opportunities. I have no idea how anyone can believe this will be any different.

Again, angles are being nit picked. No one is even addressing the other articles suggesting that Kidd is doing this for self preservation of employment. The GM is a complete imbecile and JK was almost fired last season. He had multiple moves he wanted to make (which in hindsight would have been outstanding moves for BK) that were shot down by Billy. I know that if my job was in jeopardy because the boss constantly mismanaged me directly I would do everything in my power to self preserve. Only feasible argument is the no experience in the position. Though remember that some people were totally fine with David Robinson and other zero experience candidates. Just reading this thread there seems to be a lot of personal agenda.

Totally fine to be against it but be careful with the angle.

So if he's on the outs in BK, why not quit or negotiate a buyout and sign with the bucks? Instead he wants us to give cash/draft picks to BK? Seems really wise first move.

Well he cant quit and sign elsewhere. BK would be the one asking for compensation. He's under contract so it isnt like He can move freely wherever. Now he could resign and take over POBO only. That wouldnt be a breach of contract. If he wanted to coach he would need to be fired or let out of his contract by BK.

[Enrique]

I know you guys have some fantasy about hiring the Spurs autistic ballboy as our GM but you guys are freaking out too much, Kidd is as good as anyone else. He's a HOFer and forgot more about basketball than all you guys will ever know put together.

Now I wouldn't give up anything more than a 2nd rounder, a 1st really would be a disaster.

This is pretty much how I feel, he'd be just as good as anyone else. This isn't rocket science, not that you need a degree in sports management to be successful at it. I think Kidd is a really smart guy. His #1 asset he brings is credibility among players. Most on this board would prefer a Sloan Conference dork running the show. I think someone with that background is valuable in an advisory role and I'm sure Kidd would agree.

[WiscoKing13]

Again, angles are being nit picked. No one is even addressing the other articles suggesting that Kidd is doing this for self preservation of employment. The GM is a complete imbecile and JK was almost fired last season. He had multiple moves he wanted to make (which in hindsight would have been outstanding moves for BK) that were shot down by Billy. I know that if my job was in jeopardy because the boss constantly mismanaged me directly I would do everything in my power to self preserve. Only feasible argument is the no experience in the position. Though remember that some people were totally fine with David Robinson and other zero experience candidates. Just reading this thread there seems to be a lot of personal agenda.

Totally fine to be against it but be careful with the angle.

So if he's on the outs in BK, why not quit or negotiate a buyout and sign with the bucks? Instead he wants us to give cash/draft picks to BK? Seems really wise first move.

Well he cant quit and sign elsewhere. BK would be the one asking for compensation. He's under contract so it isnt like He can move freely wherever. Now he could resign and take over POBO only. That wouldnt be a breach of contract. If he wanted to coach he would need to be fired or let out of his contract by BK.

and all sign are pointing to BK wanting him gone, so rather obvious that a buyout or a mutual parting of ways is an options. But for some reason kidd wants to keep his contract.

[Frank Nova]

I wonder if Kidd actually wants to be POBO or if he was just looking at getting out of under Billy King and that aging roster that was acquired in Brooklyn.

I liked Kidd as a player. But I don't really want him as a head coach and I really don't want him as POBO.

I think it is very telling that not one NBA head coach in the conference finals played in the NBA.

Scotty Brooks was a NBA player for 14yrs.

[wichmae]

I know you guys have some fantasy about hiring the Spurs autistic ballboy as our GM but you guys are freaking out too much, Kidd is as good as anyone else. He's a HOFer and forgot more about basketball than all you guys will ever know put together.

Now I wouldn't give up anything more than a 2nd rounder, a 1st really would be a disaster.

This is pretty much how I feel, he'd be just as good as anyone else. This isn't rocket science, not that you need a degree in sports management to be successful at it. I think Kidd is a really smart guy. His #1 asset he brings is credibility among players. Most on this board would prefer a Sloan Conference dork running the show. I think someone with that background is valuable in an advisory role and I'm sure Kidd would agree.

They have Jon Nichols already

[Prokorov]

He also had one of the best records in the league with the Nets after January 1st. Kidd did a lot with that ancient roster. I commend him wanting to get out of that situation. The Nets have zero future. They sold it away for a one year window at a title. Kidd sees our team, our youth, our new ownership, and sees somewhere he can get his career moving. I'm thrilled a coach wants to come to Milwaukee. I'm not saying we should make a big name move just to make a big name move, but it's the first step of getting free agents to play here down the line when our youthful team takes that next step towards contention and we have a spot that needs filled.

Kidd was a terrible coach this past season. Like bottom 5 type coach. His value was in shaping the team and roster decisions and the vision for the team. Which would lead me to believe he may be more suited as a GM/POBO.

I wouldnt equate the nets 2014 record with Kidd, he more was fortunate with Lopez going down. once that happend the nets could finally play a winning brand of ball. Lopez killed any chance of pierce/jj being effective on offense because he demanded touches and was a huge ball stopper. and the bigger problem was defensively, as it compounded the defensive issues pierce had by having such a poor defender in lopez who breaks you down with his inability to gaurd the pick and roll and inability to stop wings from getting to the rim as a help man.

once lopez was gone, we had a much better chance to win. now, pierce and JJ get mroe volume, they are better passers, the ball moves. you move KG to center and get another ball handler/passer/role guy in livingston on the floor. you get more defenders on the floor. it was an enormous burden lifted off the team.

thats the biggest downside to us losing kidd. he knew brook was not a player you win with and wanted him gone, which reportedly is the biggest reason for this whole riff.

[LUKE23]

I can't believe this is going to happen. I have gone from as optimistic as ever to beaten down yet again. It's like we cannot catch a break.

[jtf150]

At first I thought the whole silver lining of all of this is that they are looking for a new coach, but was kind of unsure about Kidd as coach of the Bucks. He has little experience with young fragile players. This morning I just found an update that he isn't looking for a coaching job and actually a front office job with the Bucks. A coaching move would really surprise me after just drafting Jabari and having Drew and Hammond meet so many times with him. It would just be a strange move.



http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/6/28/5 ... ukee-bucks

UPDATE, 6/28 10:33 p.m. ET: Kidd's primary interest with the Bucks is in a role similar to Doc Rivers or Gregg Popovich, according to Yahoo Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski. It's unclear what that specifically entails, but both of the names mentioned coach while also controlling basketball operations. He could be targeting a front office role exclusively, however, as Bleacher Reports' Howard Beck reports Kidd isn't interested in coaching Milwaukee.

The situation is crazy with reports popping up left and right, including one from Racine Journal Times' Gary Woefel that indicates the Bucks have already offered Kidd the Bucks' president job.