Giannis' Development

[imithanos]

But what are the odds of Giannis actually skipping it though? I doubt the fans and columnists mean much if the NT coaches and players want him to play. Giannis seems like he might be loyal to a fault, like he owes them something even if they insist he doesn't.

You don't want to open this discussion. If it was in the hand of our Natinal Basketball Federation Giannis is coming 100%. Many columnists and fans are criticizing the way it operates. Instead of focusing on developing the young prospects, it is always a hunt for success in all the national u-20 tournaments. Many Greek talents turn to ****, because they had to fight for results from early age and spent much training in defense instead of individual training.

I dont know if the Bucks can delay or make Giannis at least skip the pre-olympic tournament.

They can. Any team can stop their players from competing internationally. It just almost never happens.

I am not sure they're allowed, if it's the olympics. I read that somewhere, but I can't remember if it was written by a fan or a columnist.

[RRyder823]

You don't want to open this discussion. If it was in the hand of our Natinal Basketball Federation Giannis is coming 100%. Many columnists and fans are criticizing the way it operates. Instead of focusing on developing the young prospects, it is always a hunt for success in all the national u-20 tournaments. Many Greek talents turn to ****, because they had to fight for results from early age and spent much training in defense instead of individual training.

I dont know if the Bucks can delay or make Giannis at least skip the pre-olympic tournament.

They can. Any team can stop their players from competing internationally. It just almost never happens.

I am not sure they're allowed, if it's the olympics. I read that somewhere, but I can't remember if it was written by a fan or a columnist.

Bout 99% sure they can it just tends to never happen cause teams don't want to risk angering their stars

[Badgerlander]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14927328/milwaukee-bucks-f-giannis-antetokounmpo-nba-most-exceptional-body

The extraordinary measures of Giannis Antetokounmpo

WINGSPAN: Basketball is a game of angles; a defender isn't so much guarding his man as he is reducing the size of his angle to drive to the basket or pass to teammates. That's where wingspan factors in for Antetokounmpo, whose outstretched arms measure 7-foot-3, 4 inches more than his height. "If you have long arms, it allows you to get places faster, without having to move your feet or your center of mass," Elliott says. Antetokounmpo ranks in the top 10 in rebound rate among small forwards.

LATERAL MOVEMENT: "To be a great lateral mover in the NBA, you've got to have great hips," Elliott says. "That means high force, very stable and flexible." That can be challenging for an NBA big man, who can rarely get his hips low enough to create the lateral force to move like a wing player. But Antetokounmpo isn't a typical big man. He displays great hip extension and high abduction and adduction velocities, which means he's able to handle lateral motion (say, sliding side to side while defending a ball handler) faster than other athletes his size.

HEIGHT: "When we first drafted Giannis, we measured him at 6-foot-8½," Bucks GM John Hammond says. But at midseason, the Bucks' strength and conditioning coach walked into Hammond's office. "He told me, 'The kid is still growing and I don't think he's done.'" By season's end, he was 6-11. Even more remarkable is that the basketball gods gifted Antetokounmpo those extra 2½ inches of height without exacting any payment. The 6-11 Giannis is every bit as stable and agile as the shorter version. If he remains at the small forward position, he'll do so as the tallest wing in the league.

LEAN MUSCLE: Over the past 18 months, Antetokounmpo has put on an impressive amount of muscle-his weight went from 196 pounds on draft day to 222 this season. But, crucially, he's managed to do it without bulking up. "To be big is one thing, but to have muscles that are tuned to their optimal characteristics is another," says Troy Flanagan, Ph.D., the Bucks' director of performance. All that lean muscle mass allows him to generate force quickly, which gives him the agility and explosiveness that the NBA game demands.

CORE: Typically, in players of Antetokounmpo's length and power, sports scientists see core instability, but this is yet another area in which the big Greek resembles more compact players. Other long players will have stability in the sagittal plane (which divides the trunk down the middle) but not in their frontal or horizontal planes. Antetokounmpo checks all boxes. The result? The aerobatic ability to dribble the length of the floor, elevate for a rebound, fly laterally through the air for an alley-oop-all complex movements that originate from the core.

HANDS: The length of the average adult male hand, measured from the tip of the thumb to the tip of the pinkie, is 7.4 inches. For Antetokounmpo, it's 12 inches. (For reference, Kawhi Leonard's hand is 11.25 inches, and LeBron James' is 9.25.) The breadth of Antetokounmpo's hands enables him to get a strong "pinch grip" on a 29.5-inch basketball (what's commonly known as palming). Not only does palming the ball allow Antetokounmpo to gain maximum control, but by virtue of making the ball an extension of his arm, he effectively gains 2 more inches in height.

ACHILLES: The Bucks measured Antetokounmpo's Achilles tendon from the back of the heel to the belly of the calf, and, at 13.5 inches (almost double the length of the average adult male's), well: "I have never seen an Achilles like his," Flanagan says. Many sports scientists believe a long Achilles means more efficient storage and release of elastic energy. That translates to acceleration and explosive movement-exactly the sort of traits that enable Antetokounmpo to, oh, say, burst almost the entire length of the floor in two dribbles. (Seriously. Google it.) So much for Antetokounmpo's having an Achilles' hee

[Ron Swanson]

You don't want to open this discussion. If it was in the hand of our Natinal Basketball Federation Giannis is coming 100%. Many columnists and fans are criticizing the way it operates. Instead of focusing on developing the young prospects, it is always a hunt for success in all the national u-20 tournaments. Many Greek talents turn to ****, because they had to fight for results from early age and spent much training in defense instead of individual training.

I dont know if the Bucks can delay or make Giannis at least skip the pre-olympic tournament.

They can. Any team can stop their players from competing internationally. It just almost never happens.

I am not sure they're allowed, if it's the olympics. I read that somewhere, but I can't remember if it was written by a fan or a columnist.

Spurs did it with Ginobili a few years back if I'm not mistaken. You can even write it in contract conditions, but like the above poster said, it rarely happens because teams don't want to unnecessarily anger their players. My guess is that the front office and the owners have discussed it with Giannis at length over the last year or so. It's important to convince him that staying in Milwaukee over the summer is much better for his career longevity and earning potential.

[Ron Swanson]

HANDS: The length of the average adult male hand, measured from the tip of the thumb to the tip of the pinkie, is 7.4 inches. For Antetokounmpo, it's 12 inches. (For reference, Kawhi Leonard's hand is 11.25 inches, and LeBron James' is 9.25.) The breadth of Antetokounmpo's hands enables him to get a strong "pinch grip" on a 29.5-inch basketball (what's commonly known as palming). Not only does palming the ball allow Antetokounmpo to gain maximum control, but by virtue of making the ball an extension of his arm, he effectively gains 2 more inches in height.

I know a certain someone who'd kill for those kind of hands.

[Badgerlander]

HANDS: The length of the average adult male hand, measured from the tip of the thumb to the tip of the pinkie, is 7.4 inches. For Antetokounmpo, it's 12 inches. (For reference, Kawhi Leonard's hand is 11.25 inches, and LeBron James' is 9.25.) The breadth of Antetokounmpo's hands enables him to get a strong "pinch grip" on a 29.5-inch basketball (what's commonly known as palming). Not only does palming the ball allow Antetokounmpo to gain maximum control, but by virtue of making the ball an extension of his arm, he effectively gains 2 more inches in height.

I know a certain someone who'd kill for those kind of hands.

Uhura doesn't seem to mind

[freewhitemoon]

WINGSPAN: B That's where wingspan factors in for Antetokounmpo, whose outstretched arms measure 7-foot-3, 4 inches more than his height.

How come Giannis' wingspan stayed the same when he grew 2 inches from his rookie year

[LUKE23]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14927328/milwaukee-bucks-f-giannis-antetokounmpo-nba-most-exceptional-body

The extraordinary measures of Giannis Antetokounmpo

WINGSPAN: Basketball is a game of angles; a defender isn't so much guarding his man as he is reducing the size of his angle to drive to the basket or pass to teammates. That's where wingspan factors in for Antetokounmpo, whose outstretched arms measure 7-foot-3, 4 inches more than his height. "If you have long arms, it allows you to get places faster, without having to move your feet or your center of mass," Elliott says. Antetokounmpo ranks in the top 10 in rebound rate among small forwards.

LATERAL MOVEMENT: "To be a great lateral mover in the NBA, you've got to have great hips," Elliott says. "That means high force, very stable and flexible." That can be challenging for an NBA big man, who can rarely get his hips low enough to create the lateral force to move like a wing player. But Antetokounmpo isn't a typical big man. He displays great hip extension and high abduction and adduction velocities, which means he's able to handle lateral motion (say, sliding side to side while defending a ball handler) faster than other athletes his size.

HEIGHT: "When we first drafted Giannis, we measured him at 6-foot-8½," Bucks GM John Hammond says. But at midseason, the Bucks' strength and conditioning coach walked into Hammond's office. "He told me, 'The kid is still growing and I don't think he's done.'" By season's end, he was 6-11. Even more remarkable is that the basketball gods gifted Antetokounmpo those extra 2½ inches of height without exacting any payment. The 6-11 Giannis is every bit as stable and agile as the shorter version. If he remains at the small forward position, he'll do so as the tallest wing in the league.

LEAN MUSCLE: Over the past 18 months, Antetokounmpo has put on an impressive amount of muscle-his weight went from 196 pounds on draft day to 222 this season. But, crucially, he's managed to do it without bulking up. "To be big is one thing, but to have muscles that are tuned to their optimal characteristics is another," says Troy Flanagan, Ph.D., the Bucks' director of performance. All that lean muscle mass allows him to generate force quickly, which gives him the agility and explosiveness that the NBA game demands.

CORE: Typically, in players of Antetokounmpo's length and power, sports scientists see core instability, but this is yet another area in which the big Greek resembles more compact players. Other long players will have stability in the sagittal plane (which divides the trunk down the middle) but not in their frontal or horizontal planes. Antetokounmpo checks all boxes. The result? The aerobatic ability to dribble the length of the floor, elevate for a rebound, fly laterally through the air for an alley-oop-all complex movements that originate from the core.

HANDS: The length of the average adult male hand, measured from the tip of the thumb to the tip of the pinkie, is 7.4 inches. For Antetokounmpo, it's 12 inches. (For reference, Kawhi Leonard's hand is 11.25 inches, and LeBron James' is 9.25.) The breadth of Antetokounmpo's hands enables him to get a strong "pinch grip" on a 29.5-inch basketball (what's commonly known as palming). Not only does palming the ball allow Antetokounmpo to gain maximum control, but by virtue of making the ball an extension of his arm, he effectively gains 2 more inches in height.

ACHILLES: The Bucks measured Antetokounmpo's Achilles tendon from the back of the heel to the belly of the calf, and, at 13.5 inches (almost double the length of the average adult male's), well: "I have never seen an Achilles like his," Flanagan says. Many sports scientists believe a long Achilles means more efficient storage and release of elastic energy. That translates to acceleration and explosive movement-exactly the sort of traits that enable Antetokounmpo to, oh, say, burst almost the entire length of the floor in two dribbles. (Seriously. Google it.) So much for Antetokounmpo's having an Achilles' hee

He's a once in a generation specimen. Crazy stuff.

[MiltownHawkeye]

WINGSPAN: B That's where wingspan factors in for Antetokounmpo, whose outstretched arms measure 7-foot-3, 4 inches more than his height.

How come Giannis' wingspan stayed the same when he grew 2 inches from his rookie year

Yeah this bothered me too.

[LUKE23]

His standing reach would change but not necessarily his wingspan.

[humanrefutation]

WINGSPAN: B That's where wingspan factors in for Antetokounmpo, whose outstretched arms measure 7-foot-3, 4 inches more than his height.

How come Giannis' wingspan stayed the same when he grew 2 inches from his rookie year

Yeah this bothered me too.

Your wingspan is measured by standing with your arms raised to the sides and measuring across from the tip one middle finger to another.

So, you can get taller, but unless your arms also grow, your wingspan will stay the same.

[freewhitemoon]

How come Giannis' wingspan stayed the same when he grew 2 inches from his rookie year

Yeah this bothered me too.

Your wingspan is measured by standing with your arms raised to the sides and measuring across from the tip one middle finger to another.

So, you can get taller, but unless your arms also grow, your wingspan will stay the same.

Ya I just assumed his arms would keep growing since wingspan is supposed to be proportional to height. His arms seem even longer than 7'3 considering how easily he dunks compared to other bigs. the guy hardly jumps a lot of the time

[AussieBuck]

So you are telling me, you're expecting from Giannis to say anything bad about anyone who is living in this world?.Good luck with this.

Btw Porzingis will come in Greece this summer as Giannis' and Thanasis' guest and hopefully will see them play some street basketball.
Also Thanasis and maybe Giannis will go to Latvia to Porzingis' basketball camp there.

!!!

If we somehow were to win the lottery, I would offer the #1 pick, Monroe, and MCW to Phil for Porzingis. Likely rejected but let me dream.

Yep, love me some Aussie Ben but Porzingis would be so beautiful.

[Bucknado]

Wow. He's a... Wait a minute. I thought he got that nickname because of his love of hentai!

[greekbuck34]

Pre-ASW assist turnover ratio = 1.12 , turnovers per game 2.5
Point Giannis assist turnover ratio = 3.21(CP3 has 3.65), turnovers per game 2.7 (CP3 has 2.6)

Basically a 7footer manages to play successfully the PG position without raising his turnover ratio....
How is that even possible?!?!?

At the same time he also raised his PPG, his RPG and his blocks and steals..

[HKPackFan]

Pre-ASW assist turnover ratio = 1.12 , turnovers per game 2.5
Point Giannis assist turnover ratio = 3.21(CP3 has 3.65), turnovers per game 2.7 (CP3 has 2.6)

Basically a 7footer manages to play successfully the PG position without raising his turnover ratio....
How is that even possible?!?!?

At the same time he also raised his PPG, his RPG and his blocks and steals..

And opened up the game for Jabari!

[HKPackFan]

11 games since ASB:

19.5ppg, 10rpg, 7.6apg, 1.9spg, 1.8bpg.


At what point can we say this is Giannis's new level? When can we reject that this is a fluke or a gimmick, or he's just on a good run, or defenses just haven't countered or figured him out yet?

At what point can we actually say, Giannis is a 20/10/7/2/2 player? Or even just a 20/9/6? That's his new norm. If he can keep it up over the next 19 games?

[Magic Giannison]

Remember when last year we hoped that Giannis would become a 18 ppg player and that would be amazing ?
Now we see his 20 ppg and going,meh, its not triple double.

[Nightfall]

A couple days ago, Giannis, Plums and Greivis :

[Jez2983]

Great to see Vasquez enjoying himself.