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Re: Middleton - Returns Wednesday 

Post#461 » by HaroldinGMinor » Thu Dec 5, 2019 4:34 pm

Bucksmaniac wrote:I guess we'll see against better competition, but if the Middleton of these last 5 games since the return from injury is any indication, it is the kind of play where I'm not likely to complain about his contract (and neither should others). He's playing with more energy, and as mentioned above, playing low mistake basketball. His overall offensive numbers he averages are more than acceptable, it's just that in the past they came with some questionable decision making and effort.


Maybe the contract allows him to relax and just play? I dunno. Remains to be seen.
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Re: Middleton - Returns Wednesday 

Post#462 » by Bucksmaniac » Thu Dec 5, 2019 5:20 pm

HaroldinGMinor wrote:
Bucksmaniac wrote:I guess we'll see against better competition, but if the Middleton of these last 5 games since the return from injury is any indication, it is the kind of play where I'm not likely to complain about his contract (and neither should others). He's playing with more energy, and as mentioned above, playing low mistake basketball. His overall offensive numbers he averages are more than acceptable, it's just that in the past they came with some questionable decision making and effort.


Maybe the contract allows him to relax and just play? I dunno. Remains to be seen.


I do have a theory that the injury gave him some time and freedom to watch the team and get a nice visual of where he fits in (and maybe seeing some of the little things that he didn’t always do in the past). He mentioned after his first game back starting about trying to not mess things up. I usually feel bad about that mentality constricting a player but it seems to be working for Middleton and the team!
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Re: Middleton - Returns Wednesday 

Post#463 » by Balls2TheWalls » Thu Dec 5, 2019 5:37 pm

HaroldinGMinor wrote:
Bucksmaniac wrote:I guess we'll see against better competition, but if the Middleton of these last 5 games since the return from injury is any indication, it is the kind of play where I'm not likely to complain about his contract (and neither should others). He's playing with more energy, and as mentioned above, playing low mistake basketball. His overall offensive numbers he averages are more than acceptable, it's just that in the past they came with some questionable decision making and effort.


Maybe the contract allows him to relax and just play? I dunno. Remains to be seen.


I would assume that sitting out a couple weeks of games where the Bucks cruised, maybe more easily than they did when he was in games, changed his perspective on how he was helping the team. Maybe he realized that no one wants to watch him dribble into turnovers or stop much better ball handlers and creators from running the offense. I have seen more catch and shoot 3s. I have seen more possessions where he allows the ball handler to get the ball to him in a place where he will already be effective. I have seen fewer (but not none) bone headed non-chalant passes. Defensively he has played with more energy and seems to be giving up fewer freebies.

As far as telling other people whether or not to complain about his contract, I generally get annoyed with anyone telling anyone else how to root for the Bucks. No one who frequents the forum hates the Bucks. We all want the same thing -- a Bucks Championship. This is where we come to rant, vent, give our ideas, and say what we actually feel about the Bucks. You can disagree, but telling others to not feel a certain way is actually the worst. How the Bucks manage cap, assets, decide to pay players are all within the purview of fandom.
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Re: Middleton - Returns Wednesday 

Post#464 » by Chuck Diesel » Thu Dec 5, 2019 6:04 pm

I appreciate Khris for being the one guy to get in Griffin’s face.
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Post#465 » by Bucksfan28 » Thu Dec 5, 2019 9:06 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:I appreciate Khris for being the one guy to get in Griffin’s face.


As has been noted but worth repeating, so did Giannis.
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Re: Middleton - Returns Wednesday 

Post#466 » by Diggr14 » Thu Dec 5, 2019 9:21 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:I appreciate Khris for being the one guy to get in Griffin’s face.


I appreciated that too, but lets be real.. i kind of wanted to see him throw down with Blake Griffin. He would have gotten stomped, but nonetheless.. Giannis would have come in and rocked Griffin right after.

Ok.. the suspensions clearly wouldnt have been worth it. But a Giannis/Griffin fight would be good MMA. Now if Drummond got to tag in and say we got Robin Lopez in Giannis' corner... im not sure who i'd take tbh.
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Re: Middleton - Returns Wednesday 

Post#468 » by crkone » Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:52 pm

Lebron
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23.8 points per 36 minutes
50 efg%

Vs Losing Teams
28.36 points per 36 minutes
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Re: Middleton - Returns Wednesday 

Post#469 » by truly » Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:56 pm

Why is this surprising?Someone had done it a couple seasons ago and it was almost the same.The surprising part was that Giannis didnt have the same "problem" but i guess the vast majority of players does.

It would be great to see Giannis's numbers like that and some of the number 2 options on championship teams or players that have been suggested here as Middleton replacements over the years(Beal,Butler etc).
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Re: Middleton - Returns Wednesday 

Post#470 » by Iheartfootball » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:07 pm

Middleton is a player that get's treated with so many absolutes over his performance in minute by minute increments. He's not a perfect player but he's not terrible either. There's nuance in his game and how he fits in with the team. I wish that he was treated with more objectivity.
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Re: Middleton - Returns Wednesday 

Post#471 » by buckboy » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:13 pm

crkone wrote:Lebron
Vs Winning Teams
23.8 points per 36 minutes
50 efg%

Vs Losing Teams
28.36 points per 36 minutes
57.6 efg%



It's almost like, and hear me out on this, winning teams are more difficult to play against. And, AND, they may play better defense which may lead to said winning.

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Post#472 » by blazza18 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:28 pm

The good thing about comparing Midds to Lebron is they've both never risen their games when called upon.
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Post#473 » by mattg » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:41 pm

But how do we find the stats for making inane lackadaisical and nonchalant plays in important moments?
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Post#474 » by emunney » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:47 pm

I would say I'm a Khris supporter with the caveat that his contract is inexplicable in rational terms. That said the ratio of ROUGH KHRIS MIDDLETON CRUNCHTIME EVENTS to TOTAL BUCKS CRUNCHTIME MINUTES is extremely strong this year as represented by the formula RKMCE/TBCM = whuuhhhhhhhh
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Re: Middleton - Returns Wednesday 

Post#475 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:53 pm

blazza18 wrote:The good thing about comparing Midds to Lebron is they've both never risen their games when called upon.


I see what you did there.
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Post#476 » by raferfenix » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:06 pm

We'll never know if Butler or George would have resigned with the Bucks if we would have traded for them when we could have.

The Bucks took the safest path guaranteeing us an All Star caliber SF (limited in talent comparably but one who knows his role) if only considering the significant risk any of those guys could have bailed (we know Kawhi would have), and in PG's case, even if he had already signed an extension.

That still doesn't mean we should feel great about maxing Middleton. I suspect the Bucks aren't considering trading him this season, but if Giannis doesn't re-up, we'll be looking at all the decisions around investing so heavily in Khash (including letting Brogdon walk) probably forever after.
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Re: Middleton - Returns Wednesday 

Post#477 » by DingleJerry » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:19 pm

mattg wrote:But how do we find the stats for making inane lackadaisical and nonchalant plays in important moments?


And to account for the fact that you don't opposing teams players do the same thing because you don't watch all of their games like you do for Khris.
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Post#478 » by crkone » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:55 pm

Clutch stats: Khris is shooting 26.7% from the field and is 3 of 7 from behind the arc with the score being a difference of 5 either way with 5 minutes or less to go this season. He has two total turnovers and made all his FTs, 7 of 7.

Let's look at some stars.
LeBron is shooting 32.3% and is 2 of 15 from 3. 62.5% from the line with 6 TOs.
Jimmy Butler is shooting 32% and is 3 of 14 from 3. 68.4% from the line with 2 TOs.
CJ McCollum is shooting 29.4% and is 1 of 4 from 3. 60% from the line and only 1 TO.
Beal is 23.1% from the field and 1 of 5 from 3. 100% from the line with 4 TOs.

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Post#479 » by StickeeFingaz » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:01 am

Does it mean anything that Bud didn't put Khris in the Dallas game when it got close at the end? I think it does. Khris had moments in the Dallas game that were similar to the Knicks game when he got benched, just complete lack of effort/focus.
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Post#480 » by Plossum » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:21 am

StickeeFingaz wrote:Does it mean anything that Bud didn't put Khris in the Dallas game when it got close at the end? I think it does. Khris had moments in the Dallas game that were similar to the Knicks game when he got benched, just complete lack of effort/focus.

I don’t think so. We needed guys who could sprint down the floor quickly for quick buckets. That isn’t Khris. He was rubbish that game though.
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