ATL - 2021-22 Regular Season Begins

[MVP2110]

So to clarify on those same podcasts I've heard the Heat as a possible dark horse as well but I haven't seen a single place claim them to be on the same tier as us or Brooklyn. I think there's a difference between someone saying Miami is on our same level and saying if things break right for them in the playoffs they could be that good

[emunney]

I agree that Miami is just too easy to defend right now. This is mostly about Jimmy and Bam -- changing out Dragic for Lowry doesn't change this, and adding PJ Tucker certainly doesn't change this. They're going to be hell in the half court for the other teams defensively and for their fans offensively. I don't understand Riley's theory of that roster. PJ is a guy you get when you want to switch, which they do, but they still have Robinson and Herro, so it doesn't really matter *that* much who else is on the court with them.

[WRau1]

I don't think I've seen a single season preview that had the Bucks ranked any less than 3rd best with a giant drop off in the East after BKN and us.

[skbucks1985]

They still have almost all the leverage though. He's under contract for 4 years and are obligated to give him none of it if he voluntarily sits, meanwhile we're going to get 10 games into the season and a bunch of 3-7 teams with unrealistic expectations are going to be falling over themselves to make Philly more or less whole on this. Simmons will end up as The Man on some husk of a team.

Think both parties have been bad on this, but Morey's biggest mistake was hiring Doc.

I don't think that's the case because Philly wants a top-15 talent in return and Beal and Lillard are really the only players at that level who its even conceivable of them being traded in the next year. Indiana for Brogdon and Lamb or Warren, or Sacramento with Hield and one of the PG's. If you can get Minnesota to be willing to part with Russell, that's a more palatable trade but if D'Angelo Russell isn't the caliber of player they apparently want.

You're suffering from a lack of imagination on this. A year is a long time and you're letting what's known *right now* determine everything that's going to happen. The landscape 1-2 months from now is going to be radically different from today's, after reality replaces hope.

You're either overestimating the number of players who fit the present criteria of what Philly is looking for or that a team with one of those players will have a start will fill them with such a desperation that they'll trade said player for a guy in Simmons who is, at best, a lateral move from that player.

[Plossum]

Disagree re Miami. I think they're going to have a couple of really good seasons in them. If they're good enough on offence they'll be a very tough out for any team that faces them. Hard to see them winning a championship but can also see them making a deep run.

[MVP2110]

Disagree re Miami. I think they're going to have a couple of really good seasons in them. If they're good enough on offence they'll be a very tough out for any team that faces them. Hard to see them winning a championship but can also see them making a deep run.

I agree. I think they'll log a few seasons between a 3-5 seed, maybe sprinkle in a run to the ecf in there. Not great but certainly nothing to sneeze at. Their biggest issue is how long they can hold of father time with Lowry tucker and jimmy

[Milbucks96]

Disagree re Miami. I think they're going to have a couple of really good seasons in them. If they're good enough on offence they'll be a very tough out for any team that faces them. Hard to see them winning a championship but can also see them making a deep run.

I think they have one or two good runs, I like what they did this offseason. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them in the ecf the next two seasons. It’s going to be a nightmare trying to score against their switching lineup in the playoffs.

[AussieBuck]

I could see Miami being very formidable against the field if healthy, I don't see how they'd score against us though.

[AussieBuck]

Lowry <--- Jrue
Robinson <--- Khris
Jimmy <--- Giannis
Tucker <--- Donte/whoever
Bam <--- Brook

Maybe Bam improves and gets a hold of an ageing Lopez? Just looks like wall to wall nightmare matchups to me.

[DrWood]

Lowry <--- Jrue
Robinson <--- Khris
Jimmy <--- Giannis
Tucker <--- Donte/whoever
Bam <--- Brook

Maybe Bam improves and gets a hold of an ageing Lopez? Just looks like wall to wall nightmare matchups to me.

Lowry <--- Jrue
Robinson <--- Khris
Jimmy >--- Donte/whoevers
Tucker <--- Giannis
Bam >--- Brook

Bam is a better basketball player than Brook, and it's not close. He wouldn't be a great fit for us because he's not a 3 shooter. I do wonder how much he'll have the ball with the addition of Lowry.

[chonestown]

Lowrey, PJ and Jimmy have a ton of hard miles on them. The end will be sudden.

[Milbucks96]

It’s nice to see the raptors back in Toronto. I’m glad the nba is basically back to “normal”

[Daver]

Yeah, everyone is picking the Heat as this sneaky dark horse contender and I'm just not buying it. 36-year old Lowry isn't the difference between getting swept in the 1st round and making it to the Conference Finals. Lot of people still probably assuming that BAM! (who I love) has superstar potential (he doesn't), and that Herro is anything but "just a guy" (he's not). The rest of that roster is an uninspiring collection of crappy undrafted dudes and veterans who offer next to nothing on offense anymore (Tucker, Iggy, Morris, Dedmon). They'll have a very good defense if everyone stays healthy, but I have no idea where the scoring comes from outside of Jimmy.

Well lowry will give you 18 plus a game robinson 15.I agree with what you wrote i for 1 think lowry is a huge upgrade over anyone they had at PG last year.He n butler form a pretty good 1 2 punch

[AussieBuck]

Lowry <--- Jrue
Robinson <--- Khris
Jimmy <--- Giannis
Tucker <--- Donte/whoever
Bam <--- Brook

Maybe Bam improves and gets a hold of an ageing Lopez? Just looks like wall to wall nightmare matchups to me.

Lowry <--- Jrue
Robinson <--- Khris
Jimmy >--- Donte/whoevers
Tucker <--- Giannis
Bam >--- Brook

Bam is a better basketball player than Brook, and it's not close. He wouldn't be a great fit for us because he's not a 3 shooter. I do wonder how much he'll have the ball with the addition of Lowry.

Arrows are matchups not notation

[Pachinko_]

Yeah, everyone is picking the Heat as this sneaky dark horse contender and I'm just not buying it. 36-year old Lowry isn't the difference between getting swept in the 1st round and making it to the Conference Finals. Lot of people still probably assuming that BAM! (who I love) has superstar potential (he doesn't), and that Herro is anything but "just a guy" (he's not). The rest of that roster is an uninspiring collection of crappy undrafted dudes and veterans who offer next to nothing on offense anymore (Tucker, Iggy, Morris, Dedmon). They'll have a very good defense if everyone stays healthy, but I have no idea where the scoring comes from outside of Jimmy.

Iguodala is back with the Warriors (for some reason) and you missed the other white chocolate in Robinson who just got signed for 5 year/$90m (!) and is supposed to do a lot of the scoring.
I don't buy it either. I'm sitting here worrying if Jrue will still be good for a Finals run at 33 in a couple of years, and those teams are putting way too much stock on 36 year olds. At 36 players are good for limited minutes, take plays and games off to rest, get injured too easily and take longer to recover. 1 or 2 of those oldies across the league will meet some expectations but the vast majority will make no difference whatsoever. Not everyone is Aussiebuck.

[Ron Swanson]

Lowry is gonna space the floor and will be a reliable caretaker for the offense when they stagger him and Jimmy, but he can't get to the rim anymore. Really don't think that he's gonna be this huge upgrade from Dragic that a lot of people think he's gonna be. He's not some generational floor-general like Chris Paul is. As soon as the lateral quickness goes, he's just an average starter and a borderline liability on defense.

[SupremeHustle]

Curry just jumped into his man on a 3 and THE REFS DIDN'T CALL IT!!!

There's hope, guys. There's hope.

[AussieBuck]

Yeah, everyone is picking the Heat as this sneaky dark horse contender and I'm just not buying it. 36-year old Lowry isn't the difference between getting swept in the 1st round and making it to the Conference Finals. Lot of people still probably assuming that BAM! (who I love) has superstar potential (he doesn't), and that Herro is anything but "just a guy" (he's not). The rest of that roster is an uninspiring collection of crappy undrafted dudes and veterans who offer next to nothing on offense anymore (Tucker, Iggy, Morris, Dedmon). They'll have a very good defense if everyone stays healthy, but I have no idea where the scoring comes from outside of Jimmy.

Iguodala is back with the Warriors (for some reason) and you missed the other white chocolate in Robinson who just got signed for 5 year/$90m (!) and is supposed to do a lot of the scoring.
I don't buy it either. I'm sitting here worrying if Jrue will still be good for a Finals run at 33 in a couple of years, and those teams are putting way too much stock on 36 year olds. At 36 players are good for limited minutes, take plays and games off to rest, get injured too easily and take longer to recover. 1 or 2 of those oldies across the league will meet some expectations but the vast majority will make no difference whatsoever. Not everyone is Aussiebuck.

I hurt my hamstring this morning playing one on one with my 8 year old. Dunno how much longer this 40 year old has

[AussieBuck]

The key is losing weight as you age to slow down the athleticism loss, Lowry is a marvel hanging on while remaining fat.

[Pachinko_]

The key is losing weight as you age to slow down the athleticism loss, Lowry is a marvel hanging on while remaining fat.

Dont think he's fat as such, I think he just has an extremely muscular butt LOL
could probably **** a diamond if he squeezed hard