#24 - MarJon Beauchamp - NEW POLL ADDED 12/4/23

[4xBuck]

Posters throwing out comps or references to Vaughn, Wilson and Thon are showing their agenda to complain about the pick. FYI, it doesn't help your case.... I know it's cute to compare him to three recent Buck busts and on first blush helps the agenda to bellyache about the pick. But, those comps are so off it just discredits any complaints you're making about MJB.

Vaughn and Wilson have NBA talent, but no heart to succeed in the NBA. MJB looks to be all heart.

Poor Thon has the heart and some skill, too. He just has no coordination. MJB is a coordinated NBA athlete.

[jmart762]

Did I miss it or how has no one brought up that he looks exactly like Pharrel or Caron Butler?

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[JayMKE]

The moving around from program to program, taking an alternative development track besides the obvious one of going to college, and the level of competition are all red flags to me. He's 21 and his rep as defensive "specialist" is relatively new, I imagine that's what the coaches on the Ignite told him he had to do if he wanted to get drafted. The guy has basically never played real organized competitive team basketball bouncing around high schools & then going to the gleague, he's still very much learning the game. My issue is with all these red flags I don't see his upside being that high, I can't delude myself into think he's another Kawhi. OFC we were picking 24 but a project who might be a decent roleplayer isn't the ROI I want with an upside pick. How switchable this guy really is at 6'6" 200lbs IDK either, he seems more like a pure wing defender not somebody who can muck it up with bigs. We'll see, hopefully I'm wrong.

[4xBuck]

Which game are you talking about? Lakers game? I watched that one and the one vs MXC. And what does hitting a 3 have to do w finishing?

What I saw was he is not a sure finisher, esp in traffic and when contested. He def hit his short jumpers. He blew 2 or 3 dunks he should’ve had- thus the question about his hands (tho one wasn’t a good pass on the oop) and missed multiple floaters in close (tho thats a tough shot).

Maybe im being tough on him, idk. Its just 2 games. About to watch the game vs SLC now.

The game I'm going off of is from 11-5-21.

Cleanly catching the full court pass for his 3pter was meant to be a hands reference. He also cleanly caught a half court pass for bucket as the rim... I saw nothing in the game that would make someone questions his hands. If anything he looked like he has good hands

I think he was 5-7 at the rim with two and 1s. How does that show "he is not a sure finisher, esp in traffic and when contested"?
The one dunk he didn't make was a power drive down the lane where he was fouled twice on the drive then hammered at the rim. I liked it, he came hard, was above the rim and got the call. The one drive that was iffy came from the right baseline when he threw up a wild shot. All the rest were good shots showing good hands and physicality.

Defensively he was physical, pesky and smart. I saw two stops at the rim were he physically took on his man and made the play, Again, showing he can be physical. On the perimeter he was a massive pesk. He mad 3 or 4 plays out there to create steals. I really liked the one where he pick pocketed the dribbler.

All in all, I didn't see the things you did in this game.

[skones]

The level of play is a strength not a weakness. The jump from Yakima to the G League is a mammoth one. For him to be as productive as he was, as quickly as he was, and to adapt his game to be effective with such little notice is probably one of his biggest selling points.

[4xBuck]

The moving around from program to program, taking an alternative development track besides the obvious one of going to college, and the level of competition are all red flags to me.

Ah, very interesting and telling... The back story on this situation is well documented. They talked about it on draft night and the Bucks/local media have talked about it for the last three days now. He's almost universally getting a ton of love for overcoming this situation and it's being touted as a big reason for his potential success as a prospect. But, it's a "red flag" for you-

Myself, I didn't know who he was until the Bucks drafted him. Since then the stuff I've seen on him is very encouraging. The Bucks are lucky he he was 10-33 on his 3s with Ignite. If he was 13-33, he wouldn't have been there at 24.

[M-C-G]

The level of play is a strength not a weakness. The jump from Yakima to the G League is a mammoth one. For him to be as productive as he was, as quickly as he was, and to adapt his game to be effective with such little notice is probably one of his biggest selling points.

This is a very good point I actually hadn’t even considered


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[thomchatt3rton]

Which game are you talking about? Lakers game? I watched that one and the one vs MXC. And what does hitting a 3 have to do w finishing?

What I saw was he is not a sure finisher, esp in traffic and when contested. He def hit his short jumpers. He blew 2 or 3 dunks he should’ve had- thus the question about his hands (tho one wasn’t a good pass on the oop) and missed multiple floaters in close (tho thats a tough shot).

Maybe im being tough on him, idk. Its just 2 games. About to watch the game vs SLC now.

The game I'm going off of is from 11-5-21.

Cleanly catching the full court pass for his 3pter was meant to be a hands reference. He also cleanly caught a half court pass for bucket as the rim... I saw nothing in the game that would make someone questions his hands. If anything he looked like he has good hands

I think he was 5-7 at the rim with two and 1s. How does that show "he is not a sure finisher, esp in traffic and when contested"?
The one dunk he didn't make was a power drive down the lane where he was fouled twice on the drive then hammered at the rim. I liked it, he came hard, was above the rim and got the call. The one drive that was iffy came from the right baseline when he threw up a wild shot. All the rest were good shots showing good hands and physicality.

Defensively he was physical, pesky and smart. I saw two stops at the rim were he physically took on his man and made the play, Again, showing he can be physical. On the perimeter he was a massive pesk. He mad 3 or 4 plays out there to create steals. I really liked the one where he pick pocketed the dribbler.

All in all, I didn't see the things you did in this game.

I think that was 1 of the games I watched but idk the dates. My thoughts were based on 2 games.

I’m watching a game now vs SLC and he looks much better so far—way more active and more decisive on both ends.

Let me be clear- i think he’s a fine pick at 24. Draft for physical profile, and if some other things pan out, he’ll be a good pick. Whether they will or not is unknown.

Love it if he could bulk up a bit so he can guard more positions but idk if it’s possible w his frame.


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[fan230]

I think mjb has plus points but I would have preferred to select Nikola Jovic who was available at 24. I was very disappointed that the Bucks did not take him. Does anyone else feel the same way?

[JayMKE]

The moving around from program to program, taking an alternative development track besides the obvious one of going to college, and the level of competition are all red flags to me.

Ah, very interesting and telling... The back story on this situation is well documented. They talked about it on draft night and the Bucks/local media have talked about it for the last three days now. He's almost universally getting a ton of love for overcoming this situation and it's being touted as a big reason for his potential success as a prospect. But, it's a "red flag" for you-

Myself, I didn't know who he was until the Bucks drafted him. Since then the stuff I've seen on him is very encouraging. The Bucks are lucky he he was 10-33 on his 3s with Ignite. If he was 13-33, he wouldn't have been there at 24.

Yeah the thing that is selling him for others is a red flag to me, I think I made that clear. I don’t think Covid had anything to do with him attending 5 different high schools and dipping out on college.

[ShootingtheJ]

I think mjb has plus points but I would have preferred to select Nikola Jovic who was available at 24. I was very disappointed that the Bucks did not take him. Does anyone else feel the same way?

No. He's really impressive offensively, but I doubt he can ever defend at an NBA level. Similar to Mamu.

[emunney]

Def people in this thread who have no concept of the athleticism gap between G League and college, and are not asking themselves what kind of numbers Beauchamp could have put up if, for example, he was coming off a junior year at Georgia Tech where guys like Cole Swider and Brady Manek would be among his toughest matchups.

[JayMKE]

Def people in this thread who have no concept of the athleticism gap between G League and college, and are not asking themselves what kind of numbers Beauchamp could have put up if, for example, he was coming off a junior year at Georgia Tech where guys like Cole Swider and Brady Manek would be among his toughest matchups.

Do you think Summer League is a higher level of competition than college basketball? There are very few plays ran in gleague, they're not playing a cohesive team defense if any at all. College teams play to win, not to just workout individually and "develop" pros, its completely different environment than playing in high pressure situations in front of fans. Like I said, its not a video game where guys are assigned number values on their skills and athleticism. The "talent floor" might be higher but its a far lower rung of competitive basketball.

[skones]

Def people in this thread who have no concept of the athleticism gap between G League and college, and are not asking themselves what kind of numbers Beauchamp could have put up if, for example, he was coming off a junior year at Georgia Tech where guys like Cole Swider and Brady Manek would be among his toughest matchups.

Do you think Summer League is a higher level of competition than college basketball? There are very few plays ran in gleague, they're not playing a cohesive team defense if any at all. College teams play to win, not to just workout individually and "develop" pros, its completely different environment than playing in high pressure situations in front of fans. Like I said, its not a video game where guys are assigned number values on their skills and athleticism. The "talent floor" might be higher but its a far lower rung of competitive basketball.

The talent floor being higher isn't a "might" statement. It's considerably higher, as in not even close, no room for questioning, major gap. In an Era where freshman super teams are coming in and having major success in the NCAA, I find it disengenuous to act as if they're these battle hardened cohesive units, just like I'd look across college basketball and know that the talent gap is just too huge to compensate for when it comes to the greater majority of the NCAA.

Take this past seasons Wisconsin club for example who by any measure hada very successful year. Can you imagine UW having to deal with size and athleticism of these guys with a 24 second shot clock and an extended three point line? All of that structure isn't going to help them find good shots. They'd get outclassed.

[machu46]

The moving around from program to program, taking an alternative development track besides the obvious one of going to college, and the level of competition are all red flags to me.

Ah, very interesting and telling... The back story on this situation is well documented. They talked about it on draft night and the Bucks/local media have talked about it for the last three days now. He's almost universally getting a ton of love for overcoming this situation and it's being touted as a big reason for his potential success as a prospect. But, it's a "red flag" for you-

Myself, I didn't know who he was until the Bucks drafted him. Since then the stuff I've seen on him is very encouraging. The Bucks are lucky he he was 10-33 on his 3s with Ignite. If he was 13-33, he wouldn't have been there at 24.

Yeah the thing that is selling him for others is a red flag to me, I think I made that clear. I don’t think Covid had anything to do with him attending 5 different high schools and dipping out on college.

I think if we start eliminating guys that change high schools, we’ll quickly run out of people to draft. It’s become the trend for high profile recruits. Eliminating guys that opt to play against tougher competition seems equally odd but obviously the number of kids that go the G-League route is not as large as jumping from high school to high school (or college to college for that matter as transfers have become a lot more prevalent).


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[Badgerlander]

The moving around from program to program, taking an alternative development track besides the obvious one of going to college, and the level of competition are all red flags to me. He's 21 and his rep as defensive "specialist" is relatively new, I imagine that's what the coaches on the Ignite told him he had to do if he wanted to get drafted. The guy has basically never played real organized competitive team basketball bouncing around high schools & then going to the gleague, he's still very much learning the game. My issue is with all these red flags I don't see his upside being that high, I can't delude myself into think he's another Kawhi. OFC we were picking 24 but a project who might be a decent roleplayer isn't the ROI I want with an upside pick. How switchable this guy really is at 6'6" 200lbs IDK either, he seems more like a pure wing defender not somebody who can muck it up with bigs. We'll see, hopefully I'm wrong.

Looks like his first high school switch was following his coach Brandon Roy to a different school. The second was to get more playing time? The fourth was to go against better competition. I think his choice to go to chameleon bx was a solid choice

[4xBuck]

Four high schools, one for each year, isn't an issue when you and your family are making a business decision each year. Which this situation was. It also seemed like Chameleon BX was working until covid.

A good article on the entire situation and circumstances: https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/nba/inside-the-amazing-convulted-journey-marjon-beauchamp-took-from-yakima-to-the-nba-draft/

[4xBuck]

The moving around from program to program, taking an alternative development track besides the obvious one of going to college, and the level of competition are all red flags to me... Yeah the thing that is selling him for others is a red flag to me, I think I made that clear. I don’t think Covid had anything to do with him attending 5 different high schools and dipping out on college.

Again, the story is well documented. I just posted a link to an article with an excellent recap of the situation. I just don't see how there's a red flag there unless you disapprove of players (and their family) thinking outside the box to develop their game, or if you just want to see a red flag?!? Did LaVar Bell leave ya cynical?!? ... Myself, I kinda like the unconventional path. These kids and families owe nothing to the high school and college systems. Work it however ya think is best for the player.

For MJB, it seems like his dad had an aggressive alternative game plan. It was working fine through high school and after high school at Chameleon BX, until Covid and the Covid quarantines. The Covid situation definitely got to MJB. If you want to hold that against him or if you think he's lying about the situation, then fine. Myself, I don't hold the Covid situation against him and believe him about his struggles with the situation. I, like so many others, also like how he rebounded with the JC move and then with Ignite.

[thomchatt3rton]

His unusual path doesn’t mean much to me because he was the 24th pick.

If he were the 10th pick, I’d want to look at it more closely. But 24? Go for it.

But chances are it will have nothing to do with how he pans out (or doesn’t).

It could be a red flag, or it could be disguising the trajectory of a hidden gem. Odds are it’s neither.


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[4xBuck]

I have a personal family experience with switching high schools. My sister went to three high schools her last two years, two her Sr. year, to put her in better situations to become a Dr. It worked out well.

So, I have no problem with parents of athletes doing the same type thing.